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Those people will either desperately migrate to dense urban squalor in coming decades, or just outright die unless they adapt their lifestyle to one of extreme self-sufficiency, so worrying about transit changes isn't a big deal. Rather than trying to get a couple hundred million obese elderly cripples to ride a bike to work, we can just wait for them to starve to death in the coming return to extreme resource scarcity. 
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freebooter posted:I know it's better if people cycle/bus/train to work, but people who think that's any kind of blanket solution always forget the hundreds of millions of people who live in rural areas, plus freight deliveries. no we don't at all read the thread
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Jul 15, 2017 02:25
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I used to cycle to work, would take about 40 minutes and really enjoyed it. It was free, exercise and actually felt super energized when I got to work. Its also a lot quicker than public transport. But then I had a very minor accident with a car. (It failed to yield) And just reflected on how actually really abusive Australia is to cyclists. Like, being abusive on purpose. The biggest issue with cycling is cars. And motorists who are abusive and violent to cyclists. The Australian public as a whole, literally do not want people to cycle (or enough of them to make it horribly unpleasant and dangerous). gently caress em.
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Jul 15, 2017 05:05
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Its the same in the US, bikes aren't allowed on sidewalks and bike lanes are rare (I believe I saw 3 total in my city of 100k people). Driving a bike here is having a death wish.
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Jul 15, 2017 05:23
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How can I personally accelerate climate change?
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Jul 15, 2017 07:57
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Start a tire recycling company. Pile all the tires up and light them on fire.
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Jul 15, 2017 07:59
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Rime posted:Those people will either desperately migrate to dense urban squalor in coming decades, or just outright die unless they adapt their lifestyle to one of extreme self-sufficiency, so worrying about transit changes isn't a big deal. Alternatively, millions will die so that wealthy suburbanites will not have to adapt
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Jul 15, 2017 12:03
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? #1 worst thing you can do is be a "world traveler" with lots of stamps in your passport
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Jul 15, 2017 14:11
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What if I'm walking the earth across the borders? Like the guy from Kung FuTelephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Work for a resource extraction corporation
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Jul 15, 2017 15:48
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BattleMoose posted:I used to cycle to work, would take about 40 minutes and really enjoyed it. It was free, exercise and actually felt super energized when I got to work. Its also a lot quicker than public transport. I never understood the hate for cyclists. Bicycles are a private mean of transportation that has like no cost to society. The real enemy is public transport in which governments funnel insane amounts of taxpayer money and build all kinds of exclusive lanes and bridges where cars are banned. I think most of the bike haters are actually pissed off at the war on cars and are misdirecting that anger towards innocent cyclists who are often too poor to buy a vehicle.
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Jul 15, 2017 16:29
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Start a home business to pretext buying gases with higher global warming potential than CO2, like sulfur hexafluoride. One kg of SF6 is equivalent to 22,800 kg of CO2 on a 100-year timescale. Sigma-Aldrich sells SF6 at $412.50 per 227 grams, or, ~$1.82 per 1 gram. For ~$2/day, you can increase your annual carbon footprint by 91.6 Tons of CO2-Equivalent (TCE)!
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Jul 15, 2017 16:34
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War on cars huh
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Jul 15, 2017 16:43
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Arglebargle III posted:War on cars huh aka agenda 21 aka agenda 2030 aka eco-authoritarianism in general
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Jul 15, 2017 16:59
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Man your avatar sure is perfect for you. Makes it real easy for people to know which posts to just skip.
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Jul 15, 2017 17:10
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StabbinHobo posted:#1 worst thing you can do is be a "world traveler" with lots of stamps in your passport Aaah man I just started traveling to other countries within the past year.
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Jul 15, 2017 17:19
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:aka agenda 21 aka agenda 2030 aka eco-authoritarianism in general Is this the thing where we're all forced to ride generator bikes in communes and can't choose who we have kids with? I read that book, didn't seem a half bad idea.
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Jul 15, 2017 17:39
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Burt Buckle posted:Aaah man I just started traveling to other countries within the past year. Just use cars, trains and boats. Also, give up on ever seeing different continents I guess.
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Jul 15, 2017 17:42
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Become a property developer and buy and fill in wetlands and other dense biomass areas to convert to new suburbs. Make sure all the homes are poorly-insulated.
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Jul 15, 2017 17:48
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Star Man posted:I can't think of a single job in the world that's worth spending a four-hour round trip to get to by any means of transportation. I'd rather just live close to it. oh I didn't need the job, I already had well paying remote freelance, I could easily have worked from my house in my underwear. I personally am very social, like feeling that I contribute more to the game than just my 3d assets, and have always enjoyed long distance biking, foregoing a license stateside til 21 (practically unheard of for those with the means to get one). Am I relatively rare in this case? sure, but my point was that we could get a lot more people pursuing better environmental options with better bike paths, electric vehicle incentives, city planning, trax credits, etc. All I'm saying, is that there is a big gulf between "everyone is forced to unicycle by gunpoint for transportation* and *how americans use cars*
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Jul 15, 2017 17:57
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Get a plane and learn to fly it, fly over the Amazon and boreal forests and drop homemade napalm into them.
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Jul 15, 2017 18:36
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Have children. Also lobby against abortion, contraception and sex ed.
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Jul 15, 2017 18:40
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Put a dehydrator and a humidifier in the same room of your house.
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Telephones posted:How can I personally accelerate climate change? Start raising cows.
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Jul 15, 2017 19:08
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Conspiratiorist posted:Have children. MiddleOne posted:Start raising cows. I think these two ideas can be combined.
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Jul 15, 2017 19:11
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Raise children to help you raise more cows.
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Jul 15, 2017 19:14
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Make sure you swear and honk at any cyclist you see to maintain a culture of fear among them.
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Jul 15, 2017 19:15
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Commit arson in forests with peaty soils, like in Indonesia.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:54
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Burt Buckle posted:Aaah man I just started traveling to other countries within the past year. Don't worry, that plane was flying whether you were on it or not. The invisible hand of the market ensures that polluting industries will always find enough government subsidies to fill in any gaps made by people seeking to save the planet through their own personal carbon footprint. The best way we can all ensure climate change continues at an exponential rate is pretend our personal contributions and reductions are in any way meaningful, and agonize over flying and eating beef and otherwise doing nothing. Personally, I'm just going to enjoy it all while it lasts.
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Jul 15, 2017 21:00
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If you're really concerned about the impact of your personal air travel on the climate, the next time you fly pack some sulfate aerosols in your carry-on bag and slowly release them after takeoff. If feels good to finally provide some practical individual solutions to climate change.
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Nocturtle posted:If you're really concerned about the impact of your personal air travel on the climate, the next time you fly pack some sulfate aerosols in your carry-on bag and slowly release them after takeoff. *beep beep* "Please step this way sir. Can you explain what this is in your bag?" "Ah yes that is a canister of sulfate aerosols that I'm going to slowly release on the plane. You see, " *is detained*
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The climate mitigation gap: education and government recommendations miss the most effective individual actionsquote:Current anthropogenic climate change is the result of greenhouse gas accumulation in the atmosphere, which records the aggregation of billions of individual decisions. Here we consider a broad range of individual lifestyle choices and calculate their potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in developed countries, based on 148 scenarios from 39 sources. We recommend four widely applicable high-impact (i.e. low emissions) actions with the potential to contribute to systemic change and substantially reduce annual personal emissions: having one fewer child (an average for developed countries of 58.6 tonnes CO2-equivalent (tCO2e) emission reductions per year), living car-free (2.4 tCO2e saved per year), avoiding airplane travel (1.6 tCO2e saved per roundtrip transatlantic flight) and eating a plant-based diet (0.8 tCO2e saved per year). These actions have much greater potential to reduce emissions than commonly promoted strategies like comprehensive recycling (four times less effective than a plant-based diet) or changing household lightbulbs (eight times less).
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Jul 15, 2017 22:31
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Why does buying green energy in the UK have such a pathetic impact?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Why does buying green energy in the UK have such a pathetic impact? quote:For green energy, researchers have described problems with double-counting in several European countries (Hast et al 2015), as seen in the near-zero emission reductions for Great Britain
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Jul 15, 2017 23:08
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Why does buying green energy in the UK have such a pathetic impact? I believe that has to do with the way green energy offsets are counted by the UK. So you buying green energy doesn't actually mean net green energy use. Efb
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Jul 15, 2017 23:09
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TACD posted:The climate mitigation gap: education and government recommendations miss the most effective individual actions Am I reading that article right when I take it to say that 1.5 transatlantic round-trip flights is equal to a year of car emissions?
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Burt Buckle posted:Am I reading that article right when I take it to say that 1.5 transatlantic round-trip flights is equal to a year of car emissions? The multiplier for spreading your emissions directly into the upper atomosphere is a bitch. Edit: content - http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es9039693 quote:Air travel results in a lower temperature change per passenger-kilometer than car travel on the long run; the integrated radiative forcing of air travel is on short- to medium time horizons much higher than for car travel. Per passenger-hour traveled however, aviation’s climate impact is a factor 6 to 47 higher than the impact from car travel. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 01:58
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So if you absolutely have to be somewhere a good distance away... you're better off flying? Huh. I feel less guilty now.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:05
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Evil_Greven posted:So if you absolutely have to be somewhere a good distance away... you're better off flying? Not at all. You'll just cause more short term harm and slightly less long term harm.
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Jul 16, 2017 02:28
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Actually just doing the rough math I suppose one transatlantic round trip is in fact about the same distance as the average American's commute to work in a year.
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yea thats the thing about flying. yes its more efficient per passenger mile, but it reeeeaallly racks up the miles.
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