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GreenMarine posted:What's up with Necrons? Almost every kit is sold out online. I really want an IG Manticore tank but they're out of stock online and crap painted ones on ebay are going for $70
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Same thing with Carnifexes, sold out online and in store.
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Jul 17, 2017 00:34
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Guess we're getting a preview of the meta.
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Jul 17, 2017 00:42
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Meanwhile the first bids for First Strike stuff are up on eBay. $10 each for the Inceptor and Reiver sprues.
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Jul 17, 2017 00:44
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Hey guys I talked with the TG mods and they're cool with leaks so long as they don't break NDAs. So the next time someone finds the stats for the new Primaris Murderfart Butttrain feel free to post them here.
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Jul 17, 2017 00:54
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Primaris Murderfart Butttrain Please dont doxx me and my erotic fan fiction
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Jul 17, 2017 00:56
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For 200 points, the Space Marines can get a 7 man devastator squad with 4 lascannons. The same 200 points with Tau gets you one broadside with railgun, 2 plasma rifles, and 2 drones. Just under 200 points: 3 crisis suits, one fusion blaster each. What's the best way to communicate with GW to tell them the points values are all out of whack right now? I mean, am I crazy or are tau suits just total dogshit at the moment?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Hey guys I talked with the TG mods and they're cool with leaks so long as they don't break NDAs. So the next time someone finds the stats for the new Primaris Murderfart Butttrain feel free to post them here. no
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Jul 17, 2017 00:58
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The Crisis suits move twice as far, can fall back and still shoot, can assault fliers as a last ditch and avoid being shot by them next turn, and have two wounds each. Have you considered that the points account for things you don't use or like using?
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BULBASAUR posted:Hey you Ork players. Do any of you fine goons have any of these bits floating around? Isn't that an IG piece and yeah I got a bunch.
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Strobe posted:The Crisis suits move twice as far, can fall back and still shoot, can assault fliers as a last ditch and avoid being shot by them next turn, and have two wounds each. 3 wounds each, at T5. I dunno crisis suits seem pretty good to me. Broadsides probably costs too much though. If 200 points only gets you one broadsides with a drone, you can get a leman russ for 190. Broadsides has way less toughness and wounds than a vehicle. Comparing it to a predator is probably good, since the heavy rail rifle compares well with the TL lascannon predator, and one of those is about 170.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:09
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Strobe posted:The Crisis suits move twice as far, can fall back and still shoot, can assault fliers as a last ditch and avoid being shot by them next turn, and have two wounds each. no man you don't understand the only thing that matters in this game is the MEQ of the guns on the models e: Agree though that broadsides seem bad rn
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Strobe posted:The Crisis suits move twice as far, can fall back and still shoot, can assault fliers as a last ditch and avoid being shot by them next turn, and have two wounds each. 4 lascannons hitting on 3+ is WAY more firepower than 3 fusion blasters that hit on 4+ The point I was making is that a crisis team has to be 300+ points in order to hit with any real power, and at that price point a marine player could bring even more poo poo. I haven't even played a game against marines yet this edition, but things aren't lookin good. Edit: and they don't move twice as far. They move 2 inches more than a devastator. thesurlyspringKAA fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 01:19
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No but seriously you don't understand that things like more wounds per model, the ability to move further distances, ignore terrain when moving, and the ability to fall back and still shoot are things that increase the points value of the models?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Primaris Murderfart Butttrain You forgot the Venerable
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TheChirurgeon posted:No but seriously you don't understand that things like more wounds per model, the ability to move further distances, ignore terrain when moving, and the ability to fall back and still shoot are things that increase the points value of the models? Yes I understand a crisis should cost more than a devastator. I just think they shouldn't cost as much as they do right now. Plasma rifles, the crisis bread and butter weapon, are now objectively worse than their imperial counterpart, even without overcharge!Additionally, they cost more per weapon.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:28
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Yes I understand a crisis should cost more than a devastator. I just think they shouldn't cost as much as they do right now. Plasma rifles, the crisis bread and butter weapon, are now objectively worse than their imperial counterpart, even without overcharge!Additionally, they cost more per weapon. Tau plasma rifles are 11, marine plasma rifles are 13 Also tau is going to be hitting poo poo with markerlights most of the time, that is factored into the cost. if it wasn't then you'd need to pay 50 points more per markerlight. So the BS difference doesn't matter that much. Tau is effectively BS 3.5+ after one markerlight.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:38
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Wargear and abilities don't have to cost the same across factions. It's OK for one faction to pay more for some ability than another faction, especially if that ability is supposed to be outside of that faction's core competency. Also it's OK for weapons to cost more/less depending on the unit they'll go on. And anyway, Chutche2 is right, Plasma guns cost a cupola points more than a plasma rifle
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chutche2 posted:Tau plasma rifles are 11, marine plasma rifles are 13 Tau plasma rifles are fired at guardsman BS and guardsmen pay 7 points for a more versatile weapon with the ability to re-roll ones while overcharging if near a commander. Imperial plasma is straight better, objectively.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:48
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Guardsmen can't ignore cover, move as fast, or have three wounds each. The platform that a weapon can go on is a part of its cost.
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Tau plasma rifles are fired at guardsman BS and guardsmen pay 7 points for a more versatile weapon with the ability to re-roll ones while overcharging if near a commander. Imperial plasma is straight better, objectively. Giving rerolls to guardsmen means having commanders either right next to them or investing more points into a vox network, and you only get 1-2 orders per commander, and it only works for guard infantry. A markerlight works for every tau model firing at the target after hitting it once. Edit: And yeah, guard plasma is on a T3 W1 5+ save dude, Tau plasma is on a T5 W3 3+ save dude.
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Tau can also use any drone within 3" with Savior Protocols as ablative wounds. The FW heavy gun drones have 3 wounds each themselves, so even if it just eats the attack as a single mortal wound, it can do it 2 more times. Not to mention it's dual 18" Assault 4 S5 guns. Sure they're 18 points a piece, but I'd say that's well worth it for that much more additional firepower. Edit: And they have a markerlight.
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:Tau can also use any drone within 3" with Savior Protocols as ablative wounds. The FW heavy gun drones have 3 wounds each themselves, so even if it just eats the attack as a single mortal wound, it can do it 2 more times. Not to mention it's dual 18" Assault 4 S5 guns. Those sound pretty loving awesome, then. I'd pay 18 points to give my characters or terminators 3 more wounds.
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Imperium is the strongest right now. Especially with Guillimon. The Slaughterhouse GT in North Dakota just finished and the top 3 lists all had Robby G. WInning list was 6 Storm Ravens and Robby G. Yeah, Tau have Markerlights. Marines get to reroll hits and wounds if near their special character. Naramyth needs to get in here and give a more detailed report.
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chutche2 posted:Those sound pretty loving awesome, then. I'd pay 18 points to give my characters or terminators 3 more wounds. Ah the answer to "crisis and broadsides are way overpriced" is "just buy some forgeworld drones for them" Go ahead and link me the drones, I'll buy em. Edit: which of these is a heavy gun drone ? https://imgur.com/gallery/1Vg7h thesurlyspringKAA fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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chutche2 posted:Those sound pretty loving awesome, then. I'd pay 18 points to give my characters or terminators 3 more wounds. Throw in some DX-4 technical drones, and you can heal D3 wounds to one Battlesuit in a unit on a 4+, or remove cover saves from one enemy unit within 12". 
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Ah the answer to "crisis and broadsides are way overpriced" is "just buy some forgeworld drones for them" People in here seem to all be agreeing broadsides cost too much, but I think crisis suits are fine. Hell, compare a broadsides to a venerable dread, you can get one of them with a twin lascannon and a missile launcher for 165.
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Ah the answer to "crisis and broadsides are way overpriced" is "just buy some forgeworld drones for them" Holy poo poo someone is out-Cupola-ing Cupola himself.
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Ah the answer to "crisis and broadsides are way overpriced" is "just buy some forgeworld drones for them"  Jeez, dude. Also, Broadsides are good as hell.
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chutche2 posted:Tau plasma rifles are 11, marine plasma rifles are 13 Markerlight chat. Marker lights suck. It is really hard to get that +1 bs 5th light. I stopped running marker drones in favor of gun drones and token markers for the level 1 reroll effect. I dont use crisis teams cause a commanders get the job done better. As far as the no cover save marker level, I bypass cover with a recon drone now. The tau players in my local meta that are still trying massed mkl and crisis teams are getting stomped While my 4 mkl drone list is holding number one in our league for 4 weeks now, with 13 games. Only lost 1 and it was a real close loss against chaos. And that loss was due to my opponent being really good and me making a bad target elimination choice with my breacher pf fish team and not sealing the kill. Crisis suits are not worth their points in my limited experience. And markers are nothing to really be feared this edition. Kilazar fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Kilazar posted:Markerlight chat. Marker lights suck. It is really hard to get that +1 bs 5th light. I stopped running marker drones in favor of gun drones and token markers for the level 1 reroll effect. I dont use crisis teams cause a commanders get the job done better. Oh, no doubt Getting 5 markerlight hits on one target is super unlikely. He was just acting like BS 3+ vs 4+ was a huge deal, when it's pretty easy to get some token markerlights to hit a few things to give everything rerolls, and that narrows the gap a lot. Yeah marines can get rerolls too, if you're using the right HQs and having them sit by your guns not doing much.
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Just played my first games of 8th ed. Had a hilarious moment where my malignant plaguecaster died to perils of the warp and took out 2 lietenants, 3 hellblasters, and an ancient with him. Just clarifying, can you shoot through friendly units? I was running some plague marines behind poxwalkers and we were wondering if they can shoot through the screen to the enemy.
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Geoff Zahn posted:Just played my first games of 8th ed. Had a hilarious moment where my malignant plaguecaster died to perils of the warp and took out 2 lietenants, 3 hellblasters, and an ancient with him. If you can see it, you can shoot it. No screening cover saves anymore either. Also perils is d3 mortal wounds to each unit, are you sure you did that right?
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Geoff Zahn posted:Just played my first games of 8th ed. Had a hilarious moment where my malignant plaguecaster died to perils of the warp and took out 2 lietenants, 3 hellblasters, and an ancient with him. Yeah, just had a unit of killa kans unleash skorchas on my HQ going through a big CC pile, and it felt...weird.
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Robooty is kinda nuts right now. In an addendum to the story where he got back up and slaughtered half my army we later decided to see what would happen if he fought a knight. Each got a round of shooting, each takes 4 damage. Knight was given the charge, proceeds to land with a single 1 damage kick. Takes 15 wounds plus 5 mortal in return, killing it.
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So my local GW manager did a fairly wicked thing on the weekend. All the regulars who were hanging about were challenged to paint one of the 'Learn2Paint' Bigmars in a unique chapter. The chapter itself was decided by way of ONLINE RANDOM CHAPTER GENERATOR (seriously, click, it's a hoot) 8 people were handed the Bigmar, and given a couple weeks to create their abomination. Many brave people pressed the 'Generate Chapter' button and accepted their fate:
Funnily enough, I am the guy who rolled Doom Falcons, and my submission has already been accepted and is now displayed in store alongside the 'pro painted' demo model for Dark Imperium.  So it isn't strictly a competition, but damned if it isn't super fun and exciting to watch in progress. If people are interested, I will keep people posted on the progress in this thread? a cock shaped fruit fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Sykic posted:I'm honestly not sure I'd want old marines anymore, just because they look so much worse compared to primaris. The intercessors anyway, the gravis stuff looks silly. Speaking of things that look bad, I finished a test intercessor. Looks dope. Good job.
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The Ultra Marines being distinct from the Ultramarines would actually be a funny idea for a custom chapter.
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chutche2 posted:If you can see it, you can shoot it. No screening cover saves anymore either. But like... can they technically see through? I know it says your models can shoot through other models in the same unit, but nothing about shooting through other units. Wouldnt poxwalkers block the LOS? Id like to think i can shoot through but I dont want to be unfair. And yeah we did it right - should have said everyone was wounded already.
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