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The Ferret King posted:Changed a few years back, like 6 or 7 years ago. Ugh, the forced progressive on every clearance change...wonder who was incompetent enough to muck that up for everyone. Probably an ATM somewhere. The guy responsible for the "don't cancel an aircraft's takeoff clearance once they are takeoff roll" is. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Ugh, the forced progressive on every clearance change...wonder who was incompetent enough to muck that up for everyone. I love (hate) the people who are that bad, but only when I'm on frequency and far away Had a dude at RNO where the tower asked him if he had the airfield in sight, from 2 miles away, in broad daylight First and only time I've heard a landing clearance canceled
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Having trouble spotting a single airstrip that blends in with the landscape is one thing, but I just looked up RNO and yeah you should really be able to see that from a considerable distance.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:07
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JohnClark posted:Not quite. From the 7110.65, 3-7-2(c): If this is a requirement it's busted all the time at KSEA... "Compass 5XXX on november cross runway 16C and 16L, contact ground point seven on bravo" is a pretty normal daily clearance there.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:03
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There's an exception for multiple runways with centerlines separated by 1000 feet or less, I think.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:18
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Yes it can be waived if they're 1,300ft or less apart. Waivers can always be made for other configurations too. DFW has waivers for certain operations that allow far closer separation than the minima prescribed in the FAA orders. As long as they're specifying what to cross, or holdshort of, they're complying.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:49
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That would explain it, then. I'll just let you experts stick to the phraseology. Speaking of phraseology, I've been trying to clean mine up a little. It's very easy doing this day in day out to get sloppy with it. "Compass XX is six thousand for one five oh" vs "Compass XX six thousand climbing one five thousand". (Not gonna say fife). Is it noticed or appreciated at all or just annoying?
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Jul 5, 2017 08:04
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I always appreciated good phraseology. But you can nitpick that stuff to death and still never get it 100%. It's "Regional departure, N12345 LEAVING one-thousand two-hundred CLIMBING TO three thousand." I mean, *I* always have perfect phraseology all the time of course. It's my coworkers that say it wrong.
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Jul 5, 2017 13:57
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The Slaughter posted:That would explain it, then. I'll just let you experts stick to the phraseology. Speaking of phraseology, I've been trying to clean mine up a little. Doesn't really matter. We're held to published phraseology in the 7110.65, but as long as you're clear, concise, and give me a callsign with your read-back, I don't really care if you emulate our phraseology or not. A lot of it is pretty inane, lawyer-written poo poo. (I refuse to say fife as well.)
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Jul 5, 2017 13:58
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MrYenko says stuff wrong too. Again, I just want to emphasize that only I use perfect phraseology every time.
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Jul 5, 2017 14:00
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I couldn't separate two positively charged ions, though. So don't look to me for advice.
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Jul 5, 2017 14:51
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As long as both ions don't belong to two planes.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:28
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There's always TCAS.
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Jul 5, 2017 17:59
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PT6A posted:Having trouble spotting a single airstrip that blends in with the landscape is one thing, but I just looked up RNO and yeah you should really be able to see that from a considerable distance. i'm pretty sure he used the whole runway in a light twin too because the tower asked me to look for him (I was still miles away) and he was 1300' above field height on a one mile final 16L is 9,000' useable or something like that too :V some people should have their licenses pulled
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Jul 5, 2017 18:08
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Why is tree and fife so hated, but you can't really be involved in aviation without using niner?
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Jul 5, 2017 18:09
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Because niner and roger are in all these cool action movies when we grew up. Fife and tree are only for dorkus maximuses.
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Jul 5, 2017 20:26
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fordan posted:Why is tree and fife so hated, but you can't really be involved in aviation without using niner? Niner makes sense. I only have issues with tree and fife because some insufferable asshat who finally failed upwards ALWAYS tries to make the use of tree/fife mandatory.
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Niner makes sense. I only have issues with tree and fife because some insufferable asshat who finally failed upwards ALWAYS tries to make the use of tree/fife mandatory. They've all failed upwards. All of them.
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Jul 6, 2017 01:28
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 FAA Open Hiring Bid TomorrowThe FAA posted:The job vacancy announcement for the highly competitive position of Air Traffic Control Specialist (Trainee) will be available on the federal government’s official job site, USAJOBS.gov. This announcement is expected to be open for seven days, and the agency is projecting to fill 1,400 positions. If you are interested in applying, log on to USAJOBS and apply prior to the closing date of the vacancy announcement. All applicants must meet minimum qualifications and other eligibility requirements.
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Jul 6, 2017 23:18
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It's kind of hard to believe that I applied in August, took the ATSA in November, got a TOL and CIL in February, finished my security paperwork and MMPI in March, then my medical and drug screen at the end of April, am now just waiting on an academy start date, and they're already at another announcement. I mean, I knew it's a long process going in. But drat. I can't imagine what it was like waiting three or four years for a phone call back in the day.
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Jul 7, 2017 02:35
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its all nice on rice posted:It's kind of hard to believe that I applied in August, took the ATSA in November, got a TOL and CIL in February, finished my security paperwork and MMPI in March, then my medical and drug screen at the end of April, am now just waiting on an academy start date, and they're already at another announcement. Wait till you see the loving bureaucratic clown car of incompetence that awaits you one you actually start!
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Jul 7, 2017 02:57
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I feel partially ready- I did work for a defense contractor on site with the DON for five and a half years. Whole lot of red tape and contractor/government relations BS.
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Jul 7, 2017 04:25
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Here's the job posting: Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee Good luck, have fun.
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Jul 7, 2017 14:57
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The Ferret King posted:Here's the job posting: I think my little sister might actually apply under this one. I've tried to get her to apply under every single open bid since I got picked up but she has refused to do it. I guess she's finally growing up. According to the first post in the atc reddit she's set since she has a vagina. Points off because she's not a minority though 
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fknlo posted:I think my little sister might actually apply under this one. I've tried to get her to apply under every single open bid since I got picked up but she has refused to do it. I guess she's finally growing up. I'm pretty sure a minority female with a college degree is an auto-hire for the FAA. Even without the minority part, she's probably got better odds than either of us did. 
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Jul 7, 2017 16:53
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The best part of that is, independent of her actual aptitude for the job, she'll be given countless opportunities to file paperwork on coworkers for sexism and sexual harassment because controllers are morons that can't behave professionally for any amount of time.
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MrYenko posted:I'm pretty sure a minority female with a college degree is an auto-hire for the FAA. Even without the minority part, she's probably got better odds than either of us did. It's still funny to see white guys in a field that's legit 75%+ white dudes complain about women and minorities getting some sort of priority. The Ferret King posted:The best part of that is, independent of her actual aptitude for the job, she'll be given countless opportunities to file paperwork on coworkers for sexism and sexual harassment because controllers are morons that can't behave professionally for any amount of time. For being as "modern professional" as I am I'm still able to reign in the outright inappropriate poo poo around ladies when necessary. All of the ladies that I directly work with in my area don't give a gently caress and I still don't push any boundaries when they're around. No need to set yourself up. Some people just don't seem to be able to do it. e: I just remembered that the only person in my area that has gotten in trouble for being inappropriate since I've been here is one of the ladies. An old guy in another area was retiring and she got some pizza because she was friends with him. Our FLM(that's now an OM) asked why he didn't get any and she did and she mentioned something about just having to give a handy. The piece of poo poo turned her in for it. He'd had multiple inappropriate conversations in the area in the past and he definitely had some after he turned her in but neither of us were around to here it to return the favor. fknlo fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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edit: getting impatient, probably not a good idea
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Jul 10, 2017 16:16
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If your local isn't pulling its weight, you could reach out to your regional VP.
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The Ferret King posted:If your local isn't pulling its weight, you could reach out to your regional VP. He's probably the single largest problem in all of this. It sounds like one of the other guys here is going to try to help me out with this
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Dean Iacapelli can help you. But without elaborating I can't really help you. It depends on what your information is that you're requesting whether or not it would help you. If it's your goal to "Well they didn't respond so i'm gonna do it anyways" that doesn't really work.
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The Ferret King posted:If your local isn't pulling its weight, you could reach out to your regional VP. LOL at this poo poo.
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Got any other ideas to offer or did you just come by to poo poo on things again?
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The Ferret King posted:Got any other ideas to offer or did you just come by to poo poo on things again? Open wide. I say it because it's a poo poo situation if that is pretty much the best course of action you have to take other than lawyering up and hoping the FAA grabs their ankles (like they always do when you lawyer up). If your local rep won't talk to your regional guys for you, you are hosed (because they sure as hell won't listen to you directly). I don't know what the situation is because I didn't get a chance to read it before he deleted it, but I mention getting a lawyer pretty often and for good reason. Remember the white book. That's what the FAA thinks of you, and sadly most of the union guys have forgotten about it.
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I think all of that is a lot more constructive and useful than the previous bullshit you posted. Thank you.
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Jul 11, 2017 13:15
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Someone stole a guys laptop on the mid last night. While it was less than 5 feet away from him in the area. They think it was one of the janitors but are still investigating. They found it in one of the dumpsters. That's loving ballsy.
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Jul 16, 2017 14:31
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Yall are lucky you can have laptops out on the mid.
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Blackchamber posted:Yall are lucky you can have laptops out on the mid. They didn't have it out. It was in their bag 5 feet away from them.
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Re: RVP chat. I was getting boned by my ATM over a hardship transfer and my local rep was hemming and hawing and not really going to bat for me. I talked to the RVP and my poo poo was fixed in less than a month. YMMV
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I'm pissed but I should probably stop posting this stuff on the internet
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