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We need to know how 6000 baht compares to a local month's rent and/or salary.
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numbeo says that's a third of a month's rent in bangkok https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Bangkok e: now that I google this, that sum is actually more than the services of a legal sex-club in amsterdam http://www.sexclubvienna.nl/en/tariffs-sexclub-massage-escort-amsterdam/ (6000 baht -> 150 euro) curufinor fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 23:35
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The only people paying 18,000 baht for rent in Bangkok are foreigners living at the exact center of downtown. A Thai person who could afford that would just own their condo outright. Thai people are more likely to spend 5000-10,000 on rent with 6-7k being normal for a studio, which is still usually shared. Thai salaries are something like 10-15k for typical jobs with 300 baht a day being common for unskilled or entry level work. Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 00:33
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Atlas Hugged posted:Thai salaries are something like 10-15k for typical jobs with 300 baht a day being common for unskilled or entry level work. except apparently sucking black dick
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Jul 17, 2017 01:32
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My friend told me over beers last night that a woman on the roof of a guesthouse once offered him a handjob for 300 baht. He has an odd code of ethics. He refuses to ever exchange money for sex, which is markedly different from the regular sexpats who swear their women are the virtuous ones and preserve that purity by giving them regular cash handouts to stay loyal. He specifically pursues bar girls but won't pay for it. He wants to know that they're genuinely into him.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:37
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I spent more than that on lunch today. 
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Jul 17, 2017 02:11
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Nothing will ever go wrong!
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Jul 17, 2017 02:15
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Another WeChat blowjob article in the NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/business/china-cash-smartphone-payments.html for like 2 years straight it seems like an article that says "china is innovating because wechat" comes out every week they cant all be paid for so i have to conclude that there are people who are really really easily impressed by what ultimately comes down to a credit card but is an app
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Jul 17, 2017 02:21
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They can totally all be paid for, they have lots of money
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Jul 17, 2017 02:51
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I've been away for about 5 years so I don't know how things are back in the UK now, but don't they have android and apple pay which do the same thing nowadays? Also everyone has contactless cards now which is much quicker than waiting for 10 minutes whilst some idiot tries to figure out the app they spend 20 hours a day staring at.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:52
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Accretionist posted:I spent more than that on lunch today. The wise man built his house upon the... scaffolding?
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Jul 17, 2017 03:59
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surely they used wood glue to secure the scaffolding to the rock
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Jul 17, 2017 04:15
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Fojar38 posted:Another WeChat blowjob article in the NY Times. Orientalism is simply the academic term for weaboos, which have permeated western society since the 1860s
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Jul 17, 2017 05:07
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Also a combination of face bullshit, cargo culting, and slavishness to trends. Every one of these articles is organized in as some form of "people said China couldn't innovate but now they are innovating because mobile payments" for like 2 years straight and it really feels like an attempt to control the narrative wrt chinese innovation sort of like how there are a bunch of articles popping up nowadays about how china is the leader in AI research in the wake of AlphaGO trashing Chinese GO grandmasters twice
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Jul 17, 2017 05:17
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Also China is TELEPORTING stuff into orbit while Nasa hasn't even been to the moon in like a generation. Move over, west, it's China's turn again.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:19
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I had a coworker who found one weird trick to get girls for cheaper, which is to wait until the bar closes and negotiate with her directly instead of having to pay the bar its cut.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:19
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also the chinese spending billions on an inefficient supercomputer that uses chinese chips almost entirely to regain face after the us banned chip sales to their research institutions also "china world leader in climate change" because trump dropped the paris accords also needing to have an aircraft carrier that is strategically useless but looks stronk lmao its face all the way down
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Jul 17, 2017 05:20
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Accretionist posted:I spent more than that on lunch today. uhh, is the house crooked to the left? I'm seeing tilt on the house..
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Jul 17, 2017 05:38
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Pirate Radar posted:I had a coworker who found one weird trick to get girls for cheaper, which is to wait until the bar closes and negotiate with her directly instead of having to pay the bar its cut. I tend to believe that nearly all sex work is unethical but i guess if it cuts out the pimp and your coworker is sure they aren't trafficked... 
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Jul 17, 2017 05:42
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Fojar38 posted:also the chinese spending billions on an inefficient supercomputer that uses chinese chips almost entirely to regain face after the us banned chip sales to their research institutions also taking the lead in using renewable energy sources despite not actually connecting wind turbines to the energy grid quote:In a recent paper, we used a sophisticated analysis to try to tease out a list of factors that are influencing this inefficiency. One factor is that China is building its wind capacity so rapidly that it's not connecting turbines to the grid. So, you have wind farms that are being developed but they're just sitting for years before they're connected. Another is that the quality of turbines being installed in China is less than the quality of wind turbines installed in the U.S. Lastly, we found that wind power is being curtailed in favor of coal-fired plants. or that their solar industry was just a bubble fueled by subsidies and make no economic sense. quote:The industry subsidies have encouraged the creation of hundreds of developers, who are still jostling to build projects, particularly in solar energy-rich but sparsely-populated northern and western regions.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:49
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If your product improves at 25 to 40 % per annum, you will have no choice but to have boom and bust. It was true for DEC for hard drives, it'll be true for solar folks both Chinese and German
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Jul 17, 2017 05:55
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The issue isn't that boom-and-bust cycles are a unique problem to China, but that their boom-and-bust cycle is entirely of their own making and is an explicit consequence of the short-sighted political goal of boosting GDP at any cost. But then you see effusive praise in western media about the size of these industries and how much they're producing. They blindly claim how it's part of complex forward-thinking policy decisions by the inscrutable Mandarins of the CCP when in reality it's just the same input-driven economic policy that's burned a lot of East Asian economies before.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:14
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I remember when China announced that it was dedicating 150 professors/engineers to LFTR prototypes. Oh, the sad state of optimism.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:29
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Fojar38 posted:Also a combination of face bullshit, cargo culting, and slavishness to trends. Every one of these articles is organized in as some form of "people said China couldn't innovate but now they are innovating because mobile payments" for like 2 years straight and it really feels like an attempt to control the narrative wrt chinese innovation Wechat and Alipay is slow as gently caress and dumb due to the people handling the phone, and all these phones come with NFC in them but I don't see anyone using that here. People treat that stupid barcode as if it were loose diamonds in public, and only dare to pull it up at the very end of the transaction, where they realize they don't know how to bring up the barcode and we get to wait a minute for them to remember the two or three god damned taps it takes. Even better are the people who had noooooo idea there is no money in the account, and then have to transfer money to it from another app. An app with a scanable barcode is not pushing the human race towards perfection, and especially not in China. Atlas Hugged posted:The only people paying 18,000 baht for rent in Bangkok are foreigners living at the exact center of downtown. A Thai person who could afford that would just own their condo outright. Thai people are more likely to spend 5000-10,000 on rent with 6-7k being normal for a studio, which is still usually shared. My relatives in Chiang Mai are not so happy. They complain of digital nomad foreigners, hopping across the border and paying for the 60-day or whatever visas, for driving up the prices of rent immensely in CM.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:51
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CIGNX posted:The issue isn't that boom-and-bust cycles are a unique problem to China, but that their boom-and-bust cycle is entirely of their own making and is an explicit consequence of the short-sighted political goal of boosting GDP at any cost. thanks for that link, it's a fascinating read the china section is also p funny because it was written in 1994 and china has performed worse than even this guy expected quote:"Even a modest slowing in China's growth will change the geopolitical outlook substantially. The World Bank estimates that the Chinese economy is currently about 40 percent as large as that of the United States. Suppose that the U.S. economy continues to grow at 2.5 percent each year. If China can continue to grow at 10 percent annually, by the year 2010 its economy will be a third larger than ours. But if Chinese growth is only a more realistic 7 percent, its GDP will be only 82 percent of that of the United States. There will still be a substantial shift of the world's economy center of gravity, but it will be far less drastic than many people now imagine." China's nominal GDP relative to the USA peaked in 2014 at about 60% of the size of the US economy and the gap has been increasing since.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:52
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Thailand will be an economic superpower by 2020, 6000 baht for short time will be the norm.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:56
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Haier posted:My relatives in Chiang Mai are not so happy. They complain of digital nomad foreigners, hopping across the border and paying for the 60-day or whatever visas, for driving up the prices of rent immensely in CM. Which I'm sure is still only like 9000 baht a month.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:56
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My rent was 2000 baht a month when I lived in Chiang Mai back in 2012.
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Jul 17, 2017 07:36
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But how much was anal?
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Jul 17, 2017 07:42
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wechat is actually really good, it's like the one thing from china that's not absolutely atrocious
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Jul 17, 2017 07:50
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its functionally great, all the Chinese espionage happening on your phone is less than. Somehow I feel safer about google knowing everything about me because they are just going to use it to sell me things for now
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Jul 17, 2017 07:51
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curufinor posted:I tend to believe that nearly all sex work is unethical but i guess if it cuts out the pimp and your coworker is sure they aren't trafficked... You'd have to be more familiar with Thailand. I can't say if it's ethical or not, but the girls have a surprisingly large amount of autonomy. They're poor and usually from the provinces and have come to Bangkok for the express purpose of being a sex worker, but they're not trafficked and they can usually turn guys down if they don't want to sleep with them, though economic pressures will often motivate them to. There are of course trafficked girls from Vietnam and Myanmar, but that's atypical and not at the places foreigners go or have immediate access to. At the same time, there's considerable gray area for what is or is not sex work. You'll hear lots of stories like the one about my friend on the rooftop. Is that woman a sex worker? She'd probably say no. Chances are she had a real job and was into my friend, but she probably also wanted a nice lunch the next day and figured she could kill two birds with one stone. Or you'll be at a nightclub and will be flirting with a girl all night, take her home, and in the morning when she leaves she'll ask for taxi fare at, say, 1000 baht. It's not all that different than China where if a girl is expected to putout, she wants to get something in return, a dinner, a purse, whatever. Thais just make it more mercenary. This sometimes translates to cars or rent because Thailand has a long history of having "minor wives" that continues to this day. If your job is to be a professional mistress for some executive, are you a sex worker?
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Jul 17, 2017 07:52
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Wechat's greatest feature is every single sticker, emoji, or any other image is stored in a new instance every time it appears in a chat. This slowly eats the entire hard drive of your phone. The storage is in a hidden folder, so if nobody tells you how to clear it there's no way to fix the problem. When I discovered this for the first time I was about to have to buy a new phone because mine was rendered entirely unusable, but I recovered the eight gigs Wechat had taken and the phone was restored to functionality.
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Jul 17, 2017 07:53
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Fauxtool posted:its functionally great, all the Chinese espionage happening on your phone is less than. Stuff like People Nearby and the Bottle Message functions of Wechat have made me IRL friends, some I've known for years now. I feel like Western apps would just be out to monetize something like that as fast as possible. I wish more apps had stuff like that, taking out the weird parts about dating apps and reducing it to simplicity and leaving it up to the people to use or not use it. I guess a few months ago Line came out with their own version of People Nearby, but it lacked the temporary chat feature at the time. I deleted my Line a while ago but will probably have to make a new one once I leave China (where it is blocked). Grand Fromage posted:Wechat's greatest feature is every single sticker, emoji, or any other image is stored in a new instance every time it appears in a chat. This slowly eats the entire hard drive of your phone. The storage is in a hidden folder, so if nobody tells you how to clear it there's no way to fix the problem. When I discovered this for the first time I was about to have to buy a new phone because mine was rendered entirely unusable, but I recovered the eight gigs Wechat had taken and the phone was restored to functionality.
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Jul 17, 2017 08:10
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how come all the thai people I know use line?
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Jul 17, 2017 08:13
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is that woman a sex worker? She'd probably say no. Chances are she had a real job and was into my friend, but she probably also wanted a nice lunch the next day and figured she could kill two birds with one stone. Her: "Do you want to go/come to my house or I go to where you stay?" Me: "I am sorry, I don't pay for sex or go to hookers." Her: "I don't mean you pay, its is free." Me: "Free for me, and other guys pay?" Her: "Free." Me: "Do you make other men pay?" Her: "You and me, no pay." I would ask all sorts of loaded questions and somehow they would skirt around them and I would still be unsure if I was talking to hooker or not. Was it free just for me, or free for everyone and she never made money off it? I often had no idea. To be safe, in the former HIV and AIDS capitol of Asia, I didn't take any offers. Fauxtool posted:how come all the thai people I know use line? Haier fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 08:17
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Fauxtool posted:how come all the thai people I know use line? It's not blocked like it is in China and they can buy coins at 7-11 I think. The credit industry here isn't well developed so to have an app that they can get money on without a credit card makes it ideal for users young and old.
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Jul 17, 2017 08:18
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Atlas Hugged posted:It's not blocked like it is in China and they can buy coins at 7-11 I think. The credit industry here isn't well developed so to have an app that they can get money on without a credit card makes it ideal for users young and old. cool that makes sense, dont forget to slap your in-laws for me
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Jul 17, 2017 08:21
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Fauxtool posted:cool that makes sense, dont forget to slap your in-laws for me I'm nowhere near them thank god. Took the boy to America a month ago.
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Haier posted:Even that Chabuduo article posted said that Chabuduo is exempt from the tech sector and manufacturing, but loving LOL, there is even more in there than other industries. Yeah the guy treats Alibaba like it's some kind of original effort rather than what it truly is Also I think the guy missed the fact that as technology has improved over the past decade, the quality you can get for minimal effort has improved. So there's been no actual increase in effort, but stuff seems to look a lot better. If you pirate the newest version of photoshop or whatever, the built-in features are a lot more automated compared to older versions. A good example of this are the advertisements in elevators and public transport. Those advertisements back in 2008-2009 were crude photoshops that had TONS of problems with perspective, shading, scale, and artifacting, looking like the stuff I made in computer classes rather than what should be coming from a professional company. By comparison the ads now look a hundred times better, though they still frequently have these issues. Another example was any of the cartoons or animations you'd find on television or on buses in like 2009. They all looked like animations made in Shockwave where you just take a sprite and use tweening to slide it around the screen, with crude rotation effects on the head and arms to animate it. Everything just looked loving cheap and lazy. I think even people in this thread have talked about working with coders from China offices and how all of their work is just code samples shoved together without any real editing or understanding of what's written.
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