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Beet Wagon posted:What really bakes my noodle about all this is the fact that for four years one of the loudest contingents of opinionated dickwads in the Star Citizen community was the "explorers," and now nobody is even raising their hand going "Hey I uh... super wanted to go explore deep space and stuff, and now that's not really possible." If i know backers then I think there will be fall out from this, just not yet. The idiots are always first to jump in and roll their faces on the keyboard to comment, I believe there is some idiot signal like the bat signal that calls them to arms instantly to spew their ill considered lunacy over every possible outlet. Once that dies down and the stench of musk clears then normal people sort of shuffle in and bit by bit the tide turns and CIG release Spectrum / wheel out Ben to try to hide it.
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Beet Wagon posted:What really bakes my noodle about all this is the fact that for four years one of the loudest contingents of opinionated dickwads in the Star Citizen community was the "explorers," and now nobody is even raising their hand going "Hey I uh... super wanted to go explore deep space and stuff, and now that's not really possible." my new favorite phrase is idiot stroller
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Jul 17, 2017 03:24
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Thoatse posted:I still feel like the majority of people that are going to get burned by this are probably chill and the handful of screeching sunken cost autists aren't really representational of the larger group and aren't involved on forums or with shill brigades or even know who Derek Smart is... wide eyed father/sons that haven't spent much money but emotionally invested after bonding through Star Citizen rituals and take cig's narrative at face value I wouldn't feel too bad honestly, there are pretty much two camps: The bizarre idiots People who don't really give a gently caress So for example I pre ordered Project Cars 2, if it sucks I'm down a bit of money but that'll be that and it'll just be another greyed out game in my Steam library Star Citizen will be like that to those people you feel bad for, they'll be high fiving each other in another fun space game and teabagging each other til the space cows come home, a bit of cash down but a massive chunk of hard drive space reclaimed
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Jul 17, 2017 03:26
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Milky Moor posted:isn't this one of the things that could really gently caress CIG over or was this post-kickstarter? how's something like that work if you fail to deliver a stretch goal or whatever? I think this is an interesting question and I don't know if anyone has a complete answer to it. There is some argument to be made that if the product they release doesn't fulfill the crowd-funded goals, then anyone who ask for a refund is entitled to one. I think there is a good chance that if they are able to release any product at all, that they can successfully deny refunds and just hope people don't bother with a class-action or taking them to small claims court.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:30
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Legal eagle ortwyn or whatever the gently caress he's called will no doubt swing into action and be instantly owned over and over again as usual
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Jul 17, 2017 03:32
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peter gabriel posted:Legal eagle ortwyn or whatever the gently caress he's called will no doubt swing into action and be instantly owned over and over again as usual I don't know about everyone else, but if there are folks I can trust they are lawyers.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:33
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Colostomy Bag posted:I don't know about everyone else, but if there are folks I can trust they are lawyers. Especially ones in massive clown shoes
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Jul 17, 2017 03:34
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star citizen is that "It's still good!" pig episode of the simpsons except the joke is six years long and it quit being funny a really long time ago.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:43
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Wrecked Angle posted:Yeah, I don't even know why I bother trying to have a sensible discussion over there. They've now managed to strawman themselves into... The average game takes about seven years to make. Anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't understand game development.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:43
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Beet Wagon posted:What really bakes my noodle about all this is the fact that for four years one of the loudest contingents of opinionated dickwads in the Star Citizen community was the "explorers," and now nobody is even raising their hand going "Hey I uh... super wanted to go explore deep space and stuff, and now that's not really possible." My favourites were the traders who were deathly afraid of any player interaction. "Omg if you attack me or even look like you're going to try boarding me I'll self destruct my ship!"
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Jul 17, 2017 03:46
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peter gabriel posted:Legal eagle ortwyn or whatever the gently caress he's called will no doubt swing into action and be instantly owned over and over again as usual
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Jul 17, 2017 03:47
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Tokamak posted:The average game takes about seven years to make. Anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't understand game development. Did you know Pong was original set to release as a series of cave paintings?
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Jul 17, 2017 03:49
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Pong is a terrible game and could have used a longer development cycle to allow the hardware to catch up, tbh.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:51
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Tokamak posted:Pong is a terrible game and could have used a longer development cycle tbh. That's because it had a publi$her
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Jul 17, 2017 03:52
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peter gabriel posted:I don't know as it is a stretch goal on their website. I think it's post Kickstarter Nope - it's on the big stretch goal graphic on the Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen Even has a big arrow with "Mission Achieved" on the graphic. radd fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 03:54
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peter gabriel posted:Legal eagle ortwyn or whatever the gently caress he's called will no doubt swing into action and be instantly owned over and over again as usual I don't really have anything to add to this, but "instantly owned over and over again as usual" made me laugh and I thought you should know.
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Tokamak posted:Pong is a terrible game and could have used a longer development cycle to allow the hardware to catch up, tbh.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:57
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Beet Wagon posted:2 million was the kickstarter cutoff if I remember right. 2 mill total was the minimum to make the game, originally all on their own website, then they added Kickstarter with a 500K minimum, but the total of all fundraising would count to stretch goals. Kickstarter raised $2m, and they raised another $4m on the RSI site during the campaign period.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:58
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In theme with scaling back the deliverables, we have revised Star Citizen's tagline from "citizenship must be earned" to "a work visa may be bought".
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Jul 17, 2017 03:59
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:"What's that chris? You have terrible diarrohea but are too lazy to run to the bathroom? Here let me help" *OPENS MOUTH But enough about Ben
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Jul 17, 2017 04:01
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Milky Moor posted:isn't this one of the things that could really gently caress CIG over or was this post-kickstarter? how's something like that work if you fail to deliver a stretch goal or whatever? It's clearly stated on the website in a few places as a launch feature. So unless the 2016 Iron Clad™ TOS protects against this, it's guaranteed refund territory, even for new backers. Mis-selling the product.
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Jul 17, 2017 04:04
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peter gabriel posted:Beet is 100% right, if anyone feels the need to feel venom against the backers go read that thread. It's just a tribal thing by now. If Robets tells them poo poo tastes delicious they will savor every last bite. Anyways.  Context: Sentrybot has no idea about anything. Like, he's completely clueless about everything.
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Jul 17, 2017 04:05
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peter gabriel posted:I think this is what CIG wanted tbh, they rushed out Spectrum to herd all the nerds into a vacuum where the only movement is that of tumbleweeds bouncing past. The forums were turning on CIG in a big way and they needed Spectrum before 3.0 lands and causes saltiness the likes of which not seen since WTFasouras's heyday This is also the second forum purge (the original forum is now completely gone, as of July 2013). Again, this was allegedly because they weren't able to move the data to the new forums, but most probably it was to erase all the promises made by CIG (especially Ben shooting his mouth off) that they then backflipped on.
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trucutru posted:It's just a tribal thing by now. If Robets tells them poo poo tastes delicious they will savor every last bite. So clearly he has a ton of experience doing video games...
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Jul 17, 2017 04:09
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radd posted:Nope - it's on the big stretch goal graphic on the Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen Ahh thanks! I went looking for that and failed as I suspected it had this on it
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Jul 17, 2017 04:11
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peter gabriel posted:Ahh thanks! I went looking for that and failed as I suspected it had this on it The evidence of their incompetence is writ large, and in many places. 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6njubg/star_citizen_feels_more_fun/quote:This is an excellent way to put it. Every time I log into Star Citizen, I feel like I am entering a different world. It is a very immersive experience. quote:Hear, hear. It's amazing how advanced game SC is even in alpha stage. I think 3.0 is going to be one of the GOTY canditates. quote:Have you seen EA Battlefront? You're telling me with a little story and content this SC build can't be better than that? weirdly you got a lot of people rushing in to say the alpha is trash but rabidly defend it elsewhere.
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Jul 17, 2017 04:33
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lol imagine EA or Ubi doing this considering the reaction when otherwise good game mass effect 3 had a mediocre endning, imagine thme literally saying "hey guys, you know that game you all preordered and that is already two years late? well, it's gonna launch with about 5% of the content we promised when you preordered. the rest will come later, pinky swear!" the mail room staff at EA would be losing fingers daily from all the explosives mailed to them. the company name would become a byword for scam CIG is loving backers in the rear end and their only response is "should i get another tub of crisco, chris-san?"
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Jul 17, 2017 04:37
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peter gabriel posted:with a pay area size (not just physical size) that's unparalleled in gaming. True. I also like the "Yesterday someone suggested the same thing and I hated it but now that Chris said it I realised it was A Good Thing" bit.
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quote:Of course there's a plan. You don't start with a long history of game development only to dive head-first into a crowdfunded project gripping millions and 300+ employees with no plan. Whether the community will like that plan or not is yet to be seen, but I guarantee you there's a plan. 
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Colostomy Bag posted:6) TheAgent is blowing his load in a sperm-bank during salsa night while drinking beer. welcome to almost being 40, motherfuckers
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Jul 17, 2017 05:01
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TheAgent posted:um if I'm drinking beer and dancing all night, there ain't no loads blowing
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Thoatse posted:I still feel like the majority of people that are going to get burned by this are probably chill and the handful of screeching sunken cost autists aren't really representational of the larger group and aren't involved on forums or with shill brigades or even know who Derek Smart is... wide eyed father/sons that haven't spent much money but emotionally invested after bonding through Star Citizen rituals and take cig's narrative at face value and things along those lines the true believer is a small, three figure child on the totem pole of this scam and will probably eat most of the burden when its kaput
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Jul 17, 2017 05:10
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Kromlech posted:I'm 34 and if i so much as eat too much for dinner, my wife knows sex is off the table thst night. This thread is now about old people sex. also honey I bought you a freelancer *cue laugh track*
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TheAgent posted:um if I'm drinking beer and dancing all night, there ain't no loads blowing Sorry, should have sourced additional sources on that one commando. My apologies.
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star citizen star citizen star citizen star citizen game of thrones party was good, I thought I bought too much game of thrones wine and beer but it was the perfect amoutn star citizen star citizen star citizen star citisen also I hand typed all those loving star citizens because content
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Jul 17, 2017 05:14
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I probably have to watch the eposide again
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Jul 17, 2017 05:16
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peter gabriel posted:I've never, ever seen such large scale stupidity. Every single one of them deserves the tepid lump of poo poo they will finally be presented with. CIG straight up lied to them, it's still on their site and these fuckwits respond like this. Look, it's very easy to understand the Citizens who remain at this point. It's a gigantic case of belief in belief: they believe that it is virtuous to believe in Star Citizen. They don't actually believe in Star Citizen because even a goddamned idiot (hi) could see that the whole thing is cratering. But they believe that they should believe in it, that it is right and good to signal that they believe in it. To quote the article: The Article posted:Carl Sagan once told a parable of a man who comes to us and claims: "There is a dragon in my garage." Fascinating! We reply that we wish to see this dragon—let us set out at once for the garage! "But wait," the claimant says to us, "it is an invisible dragon." Star Citizen works the same way. They have accepted, internally, that what they are hearing is complete bullshit. But they've decided that supporting the game is the hill they need to die on, so you will find them prepared to excuse literally anything. Consequently, anything that CIG does is the absolute correct position. If Chris came out tomorrow and said that 100 planets were still in for launch, they're completely procgen, and here they are, these same people would be praising that despite the day before arguing that 5-10 "hand crafted" planets would be more than enough. The way to completely destroy this mentality is to get people stating their positions before hand. That's how you learn exactly how broken they really believe it is- by what they think they will have to excuse. See: MOMA, setting summer of this year as his "I will be very disappointed if" date last year. Now that it's here, he has shifted his goalposts completely but the statement is already on record.
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TheAgent posted:I probably have to watch the eposide again
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