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Hollismason posted:Price's suggestion was for insurance companies would simply return to how they work before Obamacare. He also will be given a unprecedented level of influence as he'll control basically a slush fund for Medicaid. Weren't they collapsing before Obamacare? From what I understood part of the point of the ACA was a massive bailout of the insurance industry
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Lightning Lord posted:Weren't they collapsing before Obamacare? From what I understood part of the point of the ACA was a massive bailout of the insurance industry Probably was some impending doom due to the boomer fucks getting older. In regards to various Trump jars of piss in his cabinet: I don't really think you can assign a power ranking to them. They're all poo poo in various, different ways. Mattis is the only one you can assign a rank to, really.
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Hollismason posted:Price's suggestion was for insurance companies would simply return to how they work before Obamacare. He also will be given a unprecedented level of influence as he'll control basically a slush fund for Medicaid. Price is a callous rear end in a top hat. I know, I know, long-time republican representative from GA is callous, film at 11. No, but seriously. This man is a doctor who took an oath to do no harm.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's not a bill.
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Jul 17, 2017 06:07
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This is pretty much the best article on Obamacare's impact over time https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/31/upshot/up-uninsured-2016.html Guess what the states with the highest uninsured rates are the most against Obamacare . Why? Because they didn't get health insurance.
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Grouchio posted:That's funny I thought this was the same chair elected 2 or so years ago heavily in favor of net neutrality. No, the FCC changes makeup with every new president. Tom Wheeler was Obama's guy, Ajit Pai is Trump's.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6RgsHbO6k That persona he tries to cultivate is so unwelcome! Ever see a closeup? The man looks like spongebob (long lashes, big smile, an IM READY kind of attitude).
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Telephones posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6RgsHbO6k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBA6rht6p6E
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I wonder if the man absorbed the protests for net neutrality Like a sponge.
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Classtoise posted:Does it speak worse of me or them that I legitimately don't know if the time traveler thing was one crazy idiot being egged on by trolls, all crazy idiots, or all trolls egging each other on thinking they're the only one who "gets" it? Lightning Lord posted:Weren't they collapsing before Obamacare? From what I understood part of the point of the ACA was a massive bailout of the insurance industry Now the people left in the market are getting older and sicker. Diabetes is an epidemic and it brings with it a ton of downstream complications (including 90% of all amputations, even accounting for war, birth defect, and accidents). We're roughly a decade out before most boomers hit the age that even healthy people get sick at. The healthcare system is completely and utterly hosed. The boomer's parting gift will be destroying the country they spent their lives embezzling.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Every single member of this administration is just a cavernous rear end in a top hat rivaling Charybdis; about the only cabinet member who isn't a prick is the head of the VA that transferred from the Obama admin. Even Mattis isn't immune from being a piece of poo poo on occasion. Mattis is a bloodthirsty war criminal but he's at least competent and not slobbering on Cheeto Benito's shriveled dick. He's lovely more often than not but that's better than most of Trump's cabinet.
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Telephones posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6RgsHbO6k When I think of the word "gormless", this motherfucker's face surrounds me in spherical panorama
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Chard posted:When I think of the word "gormless", this motherfucker's face surrounds me in spherical panorama A Dyson Sphere of Pai construct. Buillions and Buillions of Pai's.
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Pellisworth posted:Mattis is a bloodthirsty war criminal but he's at least competent and not slobbering on Cheeto Benito's shriveled dick. He's lovely more often than not but that's better than most of Trump's cabinet. A neat, fiberus pile of poo poo looks great next to a bucket of diarrhea poo poo-piss, if you will.
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Easy MC posted:rofl Sure would be awkward if the neurosurgeon made a whoopsie and cut too close to the frontal lobe. Crossing my fingers that the outcome would result less in McCain being a drooling, raving racist and more that he would become a real fun loving guy who all of a sudden woke from his republican slumber.
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Mustached Demon posted:A neat, fiberus pile of poo poo looks great next to a bucket of diarrhea poo poo-piss, if you will. to give credit where due, I think Mattis is one of the few powerful people in Trump's orbit that would stand up to him. maybe Tillerson or McMasters. other than Bannon and Jared, but they're too busy stabbing each other in the back trying to become shadow President while Trump combs his luxurious blond locks and dictates tweets on the toilet
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Mattis is a civilian-killing machine but he's at least a true patriot in it for America rather than gop/self interests.
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Trump tweeted a couple times about sports, watched Game Of Thrones, then farted this out: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/886743367815766021 His attention span seems to have abandoned the health care debate. Time travel, you say? 
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's not a bill. The FCC guy was put in place to get rid of net neutrality. It's like Tom Price and gutting healthcare or Betsy DeVos and gutting public education. Congress could always pass a law to mandate net neutrality and remove that discretion from the FCC chair, but come on.
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I'm honestly surprised how partisan net neutrality is. Usually when it's something that has big corporations on either side you get a lot more people who are basically deciding based on which ever side is the bigger donor or more important to their state's economy rather than hard core partisanship.
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Gorelab posted:I'm honestly surprised how partisan net neutrality is. Usually when it's something that has big corporations on either side you get a lot more people who are basically deciding based on which ever side is the bigger donor or more important to their state's economy rather than hard core partisanship. It wasn't until the Great Insanification of 2016-17 turned every single policy matter in politics into a life-and-death struggle for ideological supremacy.
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Spaced God posted:The only good thing to come out of the death of Net Neutrality is They don't care. They think the death of net neutrality and the rebirth of the war against drugs are part of the price to pay to MAGA.
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Gorelab posted:I'm honestly surprised how partisan net neutrality is. Usually when it's something that has big corporations on either side you get a lot more people who are basically deciding based on which ever side is the bigger donor or more important to their state's economy rather than hard core partisanship. The right wing media has been describing net neutrality as a modern day "fairness doctrine".
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Throwing Turtles posted:The right wing media has been describing net neutrality as a modern day "fairness doctrine". The example RWM keeps throwing around is Google; that Google has been making money off of data selling and prioritization for years so why can't Comcast, the industrial giant who controls our infrastructure, make some extra dough on what you browse and pass the savings onto you, the consumer? The fact that Comcast/Xfinity, Literally the Worst Company Ever(TM) will instantly use this to charge even more money for their already insane packages never seems to come up for some reason.
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Mendrian posted:The example RWM keeps throwing around is Google; that Google has been making money off of data selling and prioritization for years so why can't Comcast, the industrial giant who controls our infrastructure, make some extra dough on what you browse and pass the savings onto you, the consumer? When you tell libertarians that their ideal for getting the government out of, say, roads and transportation will probably result in literally every highway, street, and avenue becoming an separate, individually owned toll road, their reaction tends to boil down to "yeah, so?" Not a surprise they consider that actually happening to the internet to be A Good Thing.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:There's so much schadenfreude in the fact that Obama spent eight years in office and could never fully convince the American people that the ACA was good policy. Then the Republicans win big, introduce a piece of poo poo bill with something like 17% approval, and suddenly most people love Obamacare. It just shows how unpopular most GOP ideas are to the people. It wasn't a good deal. It was a bloated, expensive, overall pointless piece of legislation that was made with the assumption that all the concessions made to republicans that betrayed the central purpose of it would garner enough support so that it could survive past a democratic president. And, much like all of Obama's first term, expecting republicans (and lieberman who loving owed Obama his seniority for god's sake) to work with him blew up in his face. And then they went out of their way to cripple it every chance they got at the federal and state level. It's not a good bill. It has a couple of good things in it, but it's mostly a handout to insurance industries and gets to an okay-not-great destination by the stupidest, least effective way possible. And it's still better than returning to pre ACA insurance. The biggest problem with getting rid of the ACA is the american health landscape has changed dramatically within the past 8 years. People are 8 years older, and there's a legitimate health crisis going on. You can't just cut medicaid (nursing homes), preexisting conditions, and rural health programs (opiate addiction) but that's what they're trying to do. It's lunacy. But that doesn't mean the ACA is good.
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FizFashizzle posted:It wasn't a good deal. It was a bloated, expensive, overall pointless piece of legislation that was made with the assumption that all the concessions made to republicans that betrayed the central purpose of it would garner enough support so that it could survive past a democratic president. And, much like all of Obama's first term, expecting republicans (and lieberman who loving owed Obama his seniority for god's sake) to work with him blew up in his face. And then they went out of their way to cripple it every chance they got at the federal and state level. And the fun part about the GOP trying to ditch the ACA Act is the fact that Insurers have straight up said they'll just have to start invalidating insurance plans if they do and have told them not to touch the ACA Act. The couple of things the ACA Act DID achieve was: Pre-existing conditions coverage, and hobbling hollow insurance plans that didn't actually cover anything. The GOP is really that dumb. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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FizFashizzle posted:It wasn't a good deal. It was a bloated, expensive, overall pointless piece of legislation that was made with the assumption that all the concessions made to republicans that betrayed the central purpose of it would garner enough support so that it could survive past a democratic president. And, much like all of Obama's first term, expecting republicans (and lieberman who loving owed Obama his seniority for god's sake) to work with him blew up in his face. And then they went out of their way to cripple it every chance they got at the federal and state level. loving laffo at the idea that the ACA is "overall pointless." Expensive, roundabout, hobbled by the unprecedented betrayal of the Republican Party, yes. But last I checked the point was to insure more people, and at that it succeeded. Might have let your rhetoric get away with you there.
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Chilichimp posted:Price is a callous rear end in a top hat. Nobody does dumb like nominally white collar types in career tracks that camouflage rote memorization as intelligence. Dumb doctors and dumb lawyers have sovereign citizen levels of global dumbness. I used to know solo practitioner lawyers and small practice doctors who had the exact tin foil health insurance for themselves that the aca outlawed. They were pissy as can be that Obama wouldn't let them get cheated anymore and even though you'd think they'd be professionally situated to grasp that they'd purchased trash and nothing, they would and could not grasp it. Never underestimate the stupidity and cupidity of an educated rube. They're the building blocks of all grifts.
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Quorum posted:loving laffo at the idea that the ACA is "overall pointless." Expensive, roundabout, hobbled by the unprecedented betrayal of the Republican Party, yes. But last I checked the point was to insure more people, and at that it succeeded. Might have let your rhetoric get away with you there. If you read all of my post before slamming yourself into the keyboard you'll see I said....just that! But there are no shortage of people for whom the plan doesn't really work that well, and these people vote. Turned out raiding the middle class (and not the DNC donors) to pay for poor people to have healthcare doesn't work out too well. It didn't do much to control the massive cost drivers in healthcare, besides the obvious people getting older angle, because they had to get the doctors on board as well. And of course, the democrats all fled from it after it went into effect instead of defending it, so you have the state that had the largest increase in percentage covered (kentucky) vote it away. The goal of healthcare should NOT be to insure more people; it should be getting rid of for profit insurance altogether. There are plenty of republican ideas to increase insurance coverage, and all of them are terrible. UHC is basically what obama ran on, it's what the country overwhelmingly wants (then and now) and it's not what we got. The ACA did increase insurance, and it was far better for the lower classes, but it wasn't built to last, and it was bloated and worthless for a large portion of the country. Finally, it brought in an entire generation of politicians who got elected not by governing, but by screaming about how things aren't conservative enough, which brings me to... CommieGIR posted:And the fun part about the GOP trying to ditch the ACA Act is the fact that Insurers have straight up said they'll just have to start invalidating insurance plans if they do and have told them not to touch the ACA Act. They're not dumb, they're just doing what they always did. GOP problems right now are two fold. 1.) their bill is due. The billionaires and whatnot who fund their campaigns want their "tax reform," and they want it to be permanent. Not just something that will expire in ten years. And the only way to do this is to gut it from somewhere else, like medicaid. But you can't do that anymore, because the country has gotten a decade older since they last had any power. Medicaid is no longer what poor people use to get plastic surgery; it's what's keeping their parents in a nursing home. 2.) many of them figured the way to save their lives is to obstruct. with obama in office, it was fine because he could veto their nonsense. it doesn't work now that they're expected to govern. We haven't had an election yet but we'll see what happens in 18. Gotta look out for number 1, and gotta dance with the one that brought you. All these guys know they're against the wall. They were horrified just like we were when Trump won the presidency.
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FizFashizzle posted:If you read all of my post before slamming yourself into the keyboard you'll see I said....just that! Right, I just think you started your post off with some kind of over-the-top hyperbole that your later points didn't really back up. Whatever else the Affordable Care Act may have been, ultimately pointless it was not. If it had been, then there would be no problem with repealing it.
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Quorum posted:Right, I just think you started your post off with some kind of over-the-top hyperbole that your later points didn't really back up. Whatever else the Affordable Care Act may have been, ultimately pointless it was not. If it had been, then there would be no problem with repealing it. the ACA directly led to complete control of republicans at basically every level of government, and we're on the precipice of healthcare becoming far worse than it was even at the lows of the bush administration, with medicaid being gutted to the lowest it's ever been. This is because the act was bad, and the democrats ran and hid from it, allowing this to happen. You're right, it's not pointless. It's something worse.
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Quorum posted:loving laffo Thanks for the heads up, this really set the tone for the quality of the post which followed.
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