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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Leaving ones opponents alive and all their means intact and able to fully engage with the political order does seem really foolish in retrospect. It's hard to mentally reach the point where you can accept that capitalism itself is the enemy. Recognizing that capitalism is the enemy requires understanding and acknowledging that only system that we've ever known is fundamentally flawed, failing, and must be dismantled and replaced with something new and untested should we want anything close to human civilization as we know it to survive. That is and should be terrifying. I can't remember the exact Adam Curtis quote from when he was on Chappo but the jist of it was that change is scary because you might lose something. Even if your life is balanced on the razor's edge under the status quo and you know in the long run you won't survive, there's that worry that any change will be the one nudge needed to push you over into the abyss right now. For me, it took the Trump election and Democrats being unable to offer even the scantest crumbs in response to accept it and ultimately I don't think socialism is going to be the answer but rather a "better mistake" than capitalism. A mistake that at least has a chance of addressing the apocalyptic problems caused by capitalism and a mistake that could lead to whatever the better mistake to socialism is. Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:It's hard to mentally reach to point where you can accept that capitalism itself is the enemy. Recognizing that capitalism is the enemy requires understanding and acknowledging that only system that we've ever known is fundamentally flawed, failing, and must be dismantled and replaced with something new and untested should we want anything close to human civilization as we know it to survive. That is and should be terrifying. I can't remember the exact Adam Curtis quote from when he was on Chappo but the jist of it was that change is scary because you might lose something. Even if your life is balanced on the razor's edge under the status quo and you know in the long run you won't survive, there's that worry that any change will be the one nudge needed to push you over into the abyss right now. i really do think its a generational thing. we're approaching the point where capitalism is going to need to really step up its game cannibalizing the poor in order to sustain itself, and young people are increasingly on society's margins and unable to afford the half-decent living their parents made. as the system starts to fail them in more and more concrete ways and it dawns on them how badly hosed they are, they are gonna start turning on. i used to joke about capitalism being the enemy because i could never imagine a world without it. then i met some people who could imagine it and now i'm not joking anymore
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Serf posted:i think new deal progressivism isn't enough anymore. we tried it, it got rolled back over time and look where we are now. "kinder, softer capitalism" is a myth .
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real question how do coalesce around a leader when you don't have the presidency or a nominee? like, who was the GOP leader in 1994, was is Gingrich? The tea party wave didn't really have much of any central leadership either
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Iron Twinkie posted:It's hard to mentally reach the point where you can accept that capitalism itself is the enemy. Recognizing that capitalism is the enemy requires understanding and acknowledging that only system that we've ever known is fundamentally flawed, failing, and must be dismantled and replaced with something new and untested should we want anything close to human civilization as we know it to survive. That is and should be terrifying. I can't remember the exact Adam Curtis quote from when he was on Chappo but the jist of it was that change is scary because you might lose something. Even if your life is balanced on the razor's edge under the status quo and you know in the long run you won't survive, there's that worry that any change will be the one nudge needed to push you over into the abyss right now. I live in a country where the healthcare system is pretty much USA pre-Obamacare. I already know I'm going to lose something, probably most of everything, the first time me or my wife have a serious medical disaster, and I know our parents are going to end up working until the day they die. Capitalism can suck a gently caress for all I care, because the future's already really loving bleak as it is. zegermans posted:real question how do coalesce around a leader when you don't have the presidency or a nominee? The GOP knew they weren't going to win in 1996 so they just threw in Bob Dole for shits n' giggles.
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zegermans posted:real question how do coalesce around a leader when you don't have the presidency or a nominee? the leader in 1994 was the Contract with America. Simple manifestos make good rallying points.
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Serf posted:i really do think its a generational thing. we're approaching the point where capitalism is going to need to really step up its game cannibalizing the poor in order to sustain itself, and young people are increasingly on society's margins and unable to afford the half-decent living their parents made. as the system starts to fail them in more and more concrete ways and it dawns on them how badly hosed they are, they are gonna start turning on. i used to joke about capitalism being the enemy because i could never imagine a world without it. then i met some people who could imagine it and now i'm not joking anymore The more desperate poor people are the more likely a revolution is effective. I say let the democrats and republicans keep their incestuous relation to the global finance system, they'll reap what they sow.
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Thoguh posted:I'll preface this by saying that I in no way advocate violence. But I'd think the concern isn't some armed insurrection, but pissing off enough people that guys like the congressional softball game shooter start to become something they have to worry about. If that starts happening with any regularity you will start seeing civil rights disappear so fast you'll forget you ever had them. The huge changes after 9/11 were the dress rehearsal.
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Thoguh posted:I'll preface this by saying that I in no way advocate violence. But I'd think the concern isn't some armed insurrection, but pissing off enough people that guys like the congressional softball game shooter start to become something they have to worry about. When this happens more regularly the Reptilians will pass a gun ban and the Democrats will go wild with adulation and congratulations that the Republicans finally saw some sense
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Thoguh posted:I'll preface this by saying that I in no way advocate violence. But I'd think the concern isn't some armed insurrection, but pissing off enough people that guys like the congressional softball game shooter start to become something they have to worry about. ate poo poo on live tv posted:If that starts happening with any regularity you will start seeing civil rights disappear so fast you'll forget you ever had them. The huge changes after 9/11 were the dress rehearsal. And liberals would be the first in line to collaborate with republicans on taking away those rights. revolution is not possible in the usa
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:If that starts happening with any regularity you will start seeing civil rights disappear so fast you'll forget you ever had them. The huge changes after 9/11 were the dress rehearsal. and it won't do poo poo to stop congressmen from getting popped because they will never, ever do anythin to restrict guns.
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SKULL.GIF posted:When this happens more regularly the Reptilians will pass a gun ban and the Democrats will go wild with adulation and congratulations that the Republicans finally saw some sense "you must have been a registered member of the republican party for at least 30 years in order to own or purchase firearms"
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Is Four Futures by Peter Frase worth the read?
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Agean90 posted:and it won't do poo poo to stop congressmen from getting popped because they will never, ever do anythin to restrict guns. http://www.theroot.com/fear-of-a-black-gun-owner-1790894990
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UHD posted:so when does the revolution start When you buy a gun and start waving it in the street. SKULL.GIF posted:When this happens more regularly the Reptilians will pass a gun ban and the Democrats will go wild with adulation and congratulations that the Republicans finally saw some sense I wonder how the gun people will feel about team sports politics then
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:When you buy a gun and start waving it in the street. somebody already literally shot a Republican congressman in the butt and still nothing
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loquacius posted:somebody already literally shot a Republican congressman in the butt and still nothing He needed to whip up a mob first it was amateur hour
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loquacius posted:somebody already literally shot a Republican congressman in the butt and still nothing https://twitter.com/Rhizzone_Txt/status/875147600076439552
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Thoguh posted:I'll preface this by saying that I in no way advocate violence. But I'd think the concern isn't some armed insurrection, but pissing off enough people that guys like the congressional softball game shooter start to become something they have to worry about. nah, the concern is that poo poo like the softball game shooter becomes too prevalent and organized and widely supported to contain the Gilded Age was full of anti-capitalist terrorism, bombings, and outright assassination attempts. capital didn't care. the big nightmare for capital was that the violence would gain support and spread throughout the population, going from just "a bunch of isolated radicals or localized organizations" to "a major regional or national movement", one that they couldn't contain with just more private security and draconian police crackdowns. the thing they fear most isn't "more shooters", it's "the general population perceiving the shooters as martyrs rather than criminals"
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Supporting Pol Pot is a proud tradition of the british right.
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I mean, this is an extremely grade-school-level take (also like dictators: parents!!!!) but it's still not wrong per se
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GalacticAcid posted:When you support Pol Pot that's a very unflattering picture of noam chomsky
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Yglesias stopped reading D&D and started reading C-SPAM.
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rhizzone is anti-bernie? I thought they were commu-hyper-lefitsts
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GalacticAcid posted:When you support Pol Pot How can he claim to support Pol Pot when he himself is wearing glasses
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zegermans posted:rhizzone is anti-bernie? I thought they were commu-hyper-lefitsts bernie is a liberal
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deadgoon posted:bernie is a liberal but like bernie being too pro-white was a liberal talking point, or are they so far into galaxy brain leftism that it swings back to "white people should be exterminated"
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Hillary hates
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The first time I saw that tweet I didn't know how many irony layers deep it was, and I still don't
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loquacius posted:The first time I saw that tweet I didn't know how many irony layers deep it was, and I still don't It's irony all the way down
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zegermans posted:but like bernie being too pro-white was a liberal talking point, or are they so far into galaxy brain leftism that it swings back to "white people should be exterminated" I can only assume that being the LF offsite they proudly carry the torch of maoism-third-worldism
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zegermans posted:but like bernie being too pro-white was a liberal talking point, or are they so far into galaxy brain leftism that it swings back to "white people should be exterminated" "white people should be exterminated" is one of ur talking points tho
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