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Shifty Pony posted:It never did for normal taxes. Yeah, this is a very important point, and a key part of how the right attacks the programs on grounds that they're entrapping or addictive or whatever. They make the eligibility requirements really stringent and then blame people for being lazy when they avoid jeopardizing their claim to the benefits. Tangential but also worth noting, eligibility rules can lead to really harsh results independent of work disincentives. It's not unheard of for attorneys to screw up and blow their clients' Medicaid eligibility when they don't recognize the need to set up a special needs trust, for example. Get run over, get a check because of the injuries, and poof, you just lost medicaid access to take care of the treatment cost and whatever other ongoing issues you have. Enigma89 posted:How do you explain Obama getting elected then? He must have lost with all of these secret racists around. Obama was elected before the Shelby County decision, and McCain/Romney weren't running on an overtly white nationalist platform. Racism isn't automatically not/less of a factor just because a black person wasn't running this time.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Are you implying that Libertarians aren't complete idiots? Its a different kind of idiocy
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FizFashizzle posted:This was an almost immediate reaction, and Blythe worked it into his larger theory of the failure of the ruling class etc. The people the ruling class failed by and large aren't numerous enough to constitute a block, even in a gerrymandered system like the EV. Don't blame the 100k whites in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania who changed the outcome of the election, blame the other 63 million racists who were ok with trump.
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Spiffster posted:I'll find out fast enough. I have to run an inquiry through my works ethics office then file with the state if approved. I can post updates of the progress if I do happen to get the spot. Delete your post history now Don't wanna get an attack ad because you're an orc
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Spiffster posted:I'll find out fast enough. I have to run an inquiry through my works ethics office then file with the state if approved. I can post updates of the progress if I do happen to get the spot. Sounds like it would make a good Ask/Tell thread, if allowed. Good luck.
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Rex-Goliath posted:How is raising taxes on the highest income bracket in order to subsidize plans for the lowest raiding the middle class? As others have said, and: there are multiple caps on how much the wealthiest contribute to Medicare/Medicaid, while the middle class must pays proportionally more in taxes and also must pay out of pocket for insurance.
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skylined! posted:gonna get a neato pic of trump pretend zooming in a speedboat soon What a rich toddler would ask for -- real-life tonka trucks.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Delete your post history now alternatively, don't make your ballot name be mike 'spiffster the fuckin cool poster from something awful dot com' mcgee
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Peven Stan posted:You answered your own question. Obama won the same share of the white vote as Clinton and Kerry before him. It was youth and minorities who put him over the top. It's incredibly loving stupid to look at the overall numbers but that doesn't stop dummies from doing it all the time. You're doing it wrong!! As an example ny, Texas, and ca will massively skew those numbers yet they are utterly irrelevant in deciding the election. It's like saying trump did worse than romney. No that's dumb: in the states that mattered, eg Florida and Michigan, Trump blew Romney's numbers out of the water by massive margins. What brought his overall numbers down were ca and ny, but again these states are functionally irrelevant In us elections . In an EC system the overall numbers are meaningless, what matters is where those numbers are.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:What a rich toddler would ask for -- real-life tonka trucks. 
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skylined! posted:alternatively, don't make your ballot name be mike 'spiffster the fuckin cool poster from something awful dot com' mcgee Can't keep secrets in the modern era, and who hasn't been banged by an orc these days I mean
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Enigma89 posted:How do you explain Obama getting elected then? He must have lost with all of these secret racists around. Man I don't get it, how does my racist uncle have a black coworker that he hangs around with? Clearly if he didn't lynch a guy right now there's no racism at play.
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DaveWoo posted:There's an interesting anecdote in that article, which suggests that Trump's disapproval rating should be taken with a bit of a grain of salt:
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Apparently DHS is asking for a 45% increase (15k more) in H-2B visas for the rest of the fiscal year, excluding farm laborers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/17/trump-officials-order-15000-new-visas-for-low-wage-workers/?utm_term=.871f343b087d There is probably a lot to dissect here.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Can't keep secrets in the modern era, and who hasn't been banged by an orc these days ill have you know my wife still hasn't found my very emo MySpace and livejournal from circa 2001 and if she can't find it no rusky wannabe intel agent is gonna out me either
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Can't keep secrets in the modern era, and who hasn't been banged by an orc these days I mean we have all WAUUUGGGHHHH'd with the best of them and wore red to go fasta'.
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Peven Stan posted:The people the ruling class failed by and large aren't numerous enough to constitute a block Pretty sure there are millions of people failed by the ruling class in the US. If not tens or hundreds of millions depending on how you define it.
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DaveWoo posted:Trump Admin: "Okay, we need to get all 50 remaining R Senators on board to pass this health care bill. We can't afford to alienate a single one of them. What should we do? I know!" Is this normal? Did Obama, Bush, Clinton etc do anything like this? I'm guessing no
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mastershakeman posted:Hillary is Tasha, bill is riker, Bernie is worf Nobody listens to Worf, so this checks out.
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Peven Stan posted:Except most people who voted for him were well off whites. This is the trick of all of this, the story is that it's poor white farmers and rednecks that we need to change, when instead it was the middle/upper-middle class dudes in a sport jacket and red hat that need to have their political teeth rearranged.
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man of the people, touring a boat
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Fister Roboto posted:Nobody listens to Worf, so this checks out. Worf is also responsible for the starting of a civil war. I am curious who is Gauron in this scenario, as Bernie must kill them with a Bat'leth. Duras is obviously Trump due to receiving help from the Romulans. Theory checks out.
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we gonna get there by the end of the year i tell you hwhat https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/886996166881284096
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skylined! posted:gonna get a neato pic of trump pretend zooming in a speedboat soon Trump (staring out window: "Oh geesh! Omigosh! They're here! And there's a boaaaaat! Wooooow." Bannon: "FINISH YER FUCKIN SPAGHETTIO'S."
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Spiffster posted:I mean we have all WAUUUGGGHHHH'd with the best of them and wore red to go fasta'. Spiffster 2018: We izn't mukkin about
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skylined! posted:gonna get a neato pic of trump pretend zooming in a speedboat soon This list has some good jokes in it https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2017/07/17/made-america quote:Body armor, dummies
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Hypothetically, if Mueller's team concludes that Trump's team did a bunch of illegal poo poo, what are the next steps? Does Mueller himself charge Trump's team with the crimes? Then, is it up to the DOJ to act on those charges (arresting people, etc)? Does Congress actually get involved at that point, are they still needed for impeachment?
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turmp thrad; good soup https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/834797225213562880
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ought ten posted:This list has some good jokes in it https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2017/07/17/made-america imagine sebastian gorka reading this list
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ought ten posted:This list has some good jokes in it https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2017/07/17/made-america Rhode Island Produces: Beer you can only buy in Rhode Island
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skylined! posted:turmp thrad; good soup I don't like this soup. Waiter, my soup tastes like pee. Please take it back.
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Azhais posted:Rhode Island Produces: Beer you can only buy in Rhode Island the whole list reads like the trade show lineup for a Chinese investment company looking to build an America themed amusement park
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Overwined posted:I don't like this soup. Waiter, my soup tastes like pee. Please take it back. He would never say this, for reasons that are too obvious to explain.
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axeil posted:People are horrifically bad at long-term thinking and planning, especially when you throw in numbers. You can offer someone $500 now or $25/week in perpetuity and a whole shitload of people will take the first. It's an issue with general innumeracy in our society and how we educate people on math. Part of the problem is we've allowed people to cop out with the "I'm not a numbers guy/girl, I'm not good at math, etc." excuse. No one is innately good at stuff, you have to practice a ton to get good at it. You don't see people giving the sorts of excuses we see with math about say, reading/writing. Speaking as someone who used to teach personal finance and budgeting to low-income kids and their families... It's not that simple. A lot of people would take the $500 now because they need it NOW to pay for rent, food, medicine etc. Furthermore there is the issue of trust. I personally wouldn't trust you if you told me you would pay me $25 per month forever. What if you declare bankruptcy, or simply disappear? So in your theoretical scenario I too might also just take the $500. Bottom line is that a lot of people who seem bad with money are actually good with money but have different burdens, priorities and/or their decision-making is affected by different past experiences.
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wow this is shocking news if tru https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/886986136345874434
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Crows Turn Off posted:Hypothetically, if Mueller's team concludes that Trump's team did a bunch of illegal poo poo, what are the next steps? Does Mueller himself charge Trump's team with the crimes? Then, is it up to the DOJ to act on those charges (arresting people, etc)? Does Congress actually get involved at that point, are they still needed for impeachment? If I remember correctly, the special counsel team cant prosecute the president. I think only congress can do that. So Trump is never going to get prosecuted.
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