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Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Darkman Fanpage posted:

go post about your lovely daughter in the trump thread. it's where you and your bad posts belong.

Holy poo poo does anyone have that massive own of a picture of a dude and a monkfish and somebody said don't dox zeg and his daughter?? :laffo::laffo:*


*it's from the old thread

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white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Frijolero posted:

shut up zergemans

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Darkman Fanpage posted:

go post about your lovely daughter in the trump thread. it's where you and your bad posts belong.

they're actually so good

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
after much careful analysis and deliberation, i have concluded that only my posts are good

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

docbeard posted:

Capitalism is bad, but y'all are arguing about a ThndrShk2k post.

I mean, seriously.
:rolleye:

Ytlaya posted:

Capitalism isn't necessary for there to be markets. Market socialism (which isn't the same thing as the social democracies we see in the nordic states) generally involves all businesses being co-owned/managed, which avoid some (but not all*) of the exploitation we currently see.

A lot of people incorrectly assume that socialism necessarily means all industry being government owned/controlled.

*Under such a system, business could still exploit other businesses, but it would at least prevent a situation where a capitalist ownership class dictates the actions of all large/powerful corporations (and thus the government as well).
I think the lack of distinction of what differences solves what problems and how is a real issue in the discourse between economic models.

For market socialism with co-ownership, wouldn't that essentially be the same as the stock market today where shareholders have input on the company? There's still a market dominated by supply and demand to have people invest value in what the company produces.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/886946013273092096

lol Tapper is such an rear end licker

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

GalacticAcid posted:

after much careful analysis and deliberation, i have concluded that only my posts are good
While I do not agree that only your posts are good, I do agree you posts are good and make this thread better

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


what's the difference between John McCain and the 9/11 hijackers?


The 9/11 hijackers only crashed 3 planes

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

zegermans posted:

At least he didn't think you could feed a post-industrial population with feudalism, unlike a certain Ukrainian group.

Stalin didn't know anything about feeding people

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Tim Kaines son would agree with most of those quotes which is what makes it funny tbh

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

ThndrShk2k posted:

For market socialism with co-ownership, wouldn't that essentially be the same as the stock market today where shareholders have input on the company? There's still a market dominated by supply and demand to have people invest value in what the company produces.

Only employees of the company in question own it, not outside investors. This way, at least labor has some recourse if they're being treated poorly by the company they work for (unlike if the company is owned by a bunch of random wealthy investors). This doesn't mean labor votes on everything a company does (though I guess they could if they wanted to), but just that the employees of a company would be electing the CEO, etc and could remove him/her if they were being treated poorly.

People would still be able to freely buy the products of the company or create their own companies; it would basically just be an economy where all companies are co-ops.

The downside to this is less growth potential (since a company doesn't have the option of raising money through encouraging outside investment) but I think the upsides (greatly decreasing the aforementioned type of exploitation) are greater.

edit: My personal feeling is that market socialism of this nature is a good "safe" step that could potentially lead towards a more dramatic change to the way our economy/society works in the future. Basically, it's potentially an incremental step towards other forms of socialism. It's difficult to predict the impacts of a more extreme change to the status quo, like communism, but something like market socialism is highly unlikely to somehow result in the collapse of society (and we've actually seen it work relatively well in former Yugoslavia from what I understand).

Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 18:50 on Jul 17, 2017

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Venom Snake posted:

Tim Kaines son would agree with most of those quotes which is what makes it funny tbh

Lol that owns

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/kath_krueger/status/887005373382766592

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Young people in the D.C. area are very down with socialism and it's awesome how much it freaks out the donor class of the party. Tim actually asked me about the DSA last time I met him :eng101:


EDIT: To clarify. It's very confusing for some how in a single generation we have gone from a majority of support for free market capitalism to ~55% of 18-30 year olds believing capitalism is a failed system

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Venom Snake posted:

Young people in the D.C. area are very down with socialism and it's awesome how much it freaks out the donor class of the party. Tim actually asked me about the DSA last time I met him :eng101:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/886289843248082944

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Venom Snake posted:

Young people in the D.C. area are very down with socialism and it's awesome how much it freaks out the donor class of the party. Tim actually asked me about the DSA last time I met him :eng101:


EDIT: To clarify. It's very confusing for some how in a single generation we have gone from a majority of support for free market capitalism to ~55% of 18-30 year olds believing capitalism is a failed system

did you explain to tim kaine that it's cause his donor friends let capitalism fail? that they got too greedy and stole too much?

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

This Tim Kaine guy is on to something.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
The explanation I try and give is that by and large millennials don't have the same opportunities as the people who came before them. If you don't go to a good college and get the right degree your hosed. Then you get hosed by student debt. Then you get hosed by not being able to afford a home. More than ever your life depends on the patronage of previous generations. Whats to endear a 20 something to capitalism? Because so far all capitalism has done is taunt them with things they will never enjoy.

Condiv posted:

did you explain to tim kaine that it's cause his donor friends let capitalism fail? that they got too greedy and stole too much?

I told him to control f marx

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Frijolero posted:

Holy poo poo does anyone have that massive own of a picture of a dude and a monkfish and somebody said don't dox zeg and his daughter?? :laffo::laffo:*


*it's from the old thread

it was me, deadgoon

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


deadgoon posted:

it was me, deadgoon



it just needs a thinkyface onesie shopped on to it

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

deadgoon posted:

it was me, deadgoon



you're so much better at this than I am

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

zegermans posted:

you're so much better at this than I am

This is a good thing for someone to quote Zegermans as saying regardless of the context.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
In general I try to be as positive as I can be when it comes to political interactions IRL because nobody likes a self-righteous rear end in a top hat

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Stalin didn't know anything about feeding people

i don't think it was a priority of his

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Venom Snake posted:

In general I try to be as positive as I can be when it comes to political interactions IRL because nobody likes a self-righteous rear end in a top hat

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

deadgoon posted:

it was me, deadgoon



Lol

i still think about this thx

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


we're starting to close the wizard memes gap

https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/886999547137859584

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

I like Bernie but I don't think he'd last very long against a Balrog.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
Unless the Balrog is capitalism.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Thoguh posted:

Unless the Balrog is capitalism.

It basically was

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/887011123916152832

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Venom Snake posted:

EDIT: To clarify. It's very confusing for some how in a single generation we have gone from a majority of support for free market capitalism to ~55% of 18-30 year olds believing capitalism is a failed system

Capitalism is all about that dramatic boom and bust

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

loquacius posted:

It basically was

everything that happens to the dwarf kingdoms is p much allegories for capitalism

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

facebook.com/BERNIEPORN

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Frijolero posted:

facebook.com/BERNIEPORN

please don't post my wank bank

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Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Frijolero posted:

facebook.com/BERNIEPORN

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