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LordSaturn posted:ah jeez, I did this to myself once, except it was Python and they eventually caught me out on static methods the big problem is that recruiter/hr 9/10 is very different from 9/10 to the programmers. if the applicant answers honestly early hr won't advance them
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hobbesmaster posted:the big problem is that recruiter/hr 9/10 is very different from 9/10 to the programmers. if the applicant answers honestly early hr won't advance them going on this, for a lot of federal applications they use a 1-5 scale and you better believe that everyone is putting all 5s regardless of what they actually know because of this reason
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cis autodrag posted:holy poo poo everyone drives like it's mad max here. how are there not 50 car fireballs every day? i once pulled up to a stop light in cupertino and next to me was an idiot in a giant fuckoff SUV with a laptop open against the steering wheel i figure i'm lucky to be alive
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the guy i was sitting next to at the bar the other day was an it recruiter. he was bragging about getting an indian lady to do a job for 90k when the going market rate for her would have been 150 or more because she needed the job for work visa 
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cycling is good although many cyclists are not traveling for onsite work is universally bad tho
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JewKiller 3000 posted:x/10 ratings translate as follows: I think I may have not gotten a govt job once because I didn't know this
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JewKiller 3000 posted:x/10 ratings translate as follows: I was thinking that I would be a 4 before reading this, now I see I'm 10
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huhu posted:What are your compensation expectations? Please use specific dollar amounts (applications containing "Negotiable" will not be considered) * input is restricted to 5 digits
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Dislike button posted:the guy i was sitting next to at the bar the other day was an it recruiter. he was bragging about getting an indian lady to do a job for 90k when the going market rate for her would have been 150 or more because she needed the job for work visa Name and shame the company
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FamDav posted:input is restricted to 5 digits 1e420
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huhu posted:What are your compensation expectations? Please use specific dollar amounts (applications containing "Negotiable" will not be considered) * 
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THATS A DEALBREAKER ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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last day here last conference call with stupid customers stupider customer feelin chippy feelin good gently caress these people
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huhu posted:What are your compensation expectations? Please use specific dollar amounts (applications containing "Negotiable" will not be considered) * 
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:last day here 
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LordSaturn posted:ah jeez, I did this to myself once, except it was Python and they eventually caught me out on static methods if @staticmethod was all that relevant to them you may have dodged a bullet there you should know about super() though, this is how I feel like as a professional p-langer
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Looking for a problem solving go getter who never takes "no" for an answer. aka looking for someone who will do whatever i say even if dumb and will work overtime everyday for free
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Had an interview in the bay area today. Guess it went ok. Another next month in new York. Can't wait to never have money again!
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not as good as my favorite: What is your minimum salary (hourly rate) requirement? Please provide the minimum rate that you would accept for this position.
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I got asked in a HR phone screening today what my salary expectations were, I gave the average rate for my experience, they were like "uhhh yeah that's going to be a bit high, we're actually thinking like <15% less than the average>". I told them I wasn't going to proceed.
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qhat posted:I got asked in a HR phone screening today what my salary expectations were, I gave the average rate for my experience, they were like "uhhh yeah that's going to be a bit high, we're actually thinking like <15% less than the average>". I told them I wasn't going to proceed. that's ok, they weren't going to proceed either. the specific number didn't really matter. just having the discussion that early was a fuckup that guaranteed failure. HR's job is to filter the ever-living gently caress out of candidates to "avoid wasting anyone's time." the HR people have absolutely nothing to gain from a successful hire, but they will be blamed if anything goes wrong with an individual candidate. so it's in their best interest to aggressively filter out anyone who asks for a nickel more than the salary band on the internal req. if that means there are no candidates remaining, that's ok, it's "a tight market" hiring managers don't feel this way. they're gonna be flexible about the salary bands and the req because what they actually want is someone to do the mountain of work left un-done! they give zero shits about how HR feels about any of it. your goal is to avoid discussing salary early with HR, because they're useless loving parasites on the hiring process
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qhat, if you have any non-HR contacts at the firm, i would drop'em a gracious note that describes the situation (cloaked in a great deal of euphemism! don't be snippy) and indicates how excited you would be about a more senior position with a more suitable salary range! you hosed up real bad talkin money with HR but that doesn't mean you can't still go around hr
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:qhat, if you have any non-HR contacts at the firm, i would drop'em a gracious note that describes the situation (cloaked in a great deal of euphemism! don't be snippy) and indicates how excited you would be about a more senior position with a more suitable salary range! I didn't choose to talk money, they specifically asked me at the end of the phone call. I read the reviews on glassdoor afterwards and they seemed to corroborate the idea that everyone there is massively underpaid, so I think I'll just avoid.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's ok, they weren't going to proceed either. the specific number didn't really matter. just having the discussion that early was a fuckup that guaranteed failure. ahh yes this is very true in a made up company where HR is incredibly bad, but the rest of the company is incredibly, inexplicably good
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hr is completely separated from the hiring manager and his budget so they really don't know truly what kind of leeway he has. can't read minds after all
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qhat posted:I didn't choose to talk money, they specifically asked me at the end of the phone call. I read the reviews on glassdoor afterwards and they seemed to corroborate the idea that everyone there is massively underpaid, so I think I'll just avoid. 9/10ths of the salary negotiation is deflecting clumsy bullshit from HR
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at some point hr was a very useful and professional field but it turned in to a bunch of glorified secretaries who act as nothing more than bureaucratic gatekeepers in most cases it's also a field that is overwhelmingly female and I'm quite sure this has something to do with how hr is viewed and treated now
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Dislike button posted:it's also a field that is overwhelmingly female and I'm quite sure this has something to do with how hr is viewed and treated now as evidenced by this thread that is largely bitter angry men who a woman dared to challenge even trivially
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Stymie posted:as evidenced by this thread that is largely bitter angry men who a woman dared to challenge even trivially absolutely. and I think most organizations are now set up to have talent management solely up to the group/team level, if that, so hr is just outsourced administrative bs instead
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are all these had owl city tribute bands they're playing in the training room part of the brainwashing?
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cis autodrag posted:are all these had owl city tribute bands they're playing in the training room part of the brainwashing? i googled it, it was fireflies
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cis autodrag posted:are all these had owl city tribute bands they're playing in the training room part of the brainwashing? do you have any desire to use Apple maps? seems like a decent canary
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lol, this training is exactly like epics corporate philosophy class where the CEO just lectures you about culture for 3 hours.
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cis autodrag posted:are all these had owl city tribute bands they're playing in the training room part of the brainwashing? cis autodrag posted:lol, this training is exactly like epics corporate philosophy class where the CEO just lectures you about culture for 3 hours. yeh it can be a bit cringe-inducing
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neto is even better i was on a business trip and missed the intel new hire training and did it at the 3 month mark. the idea was to give us a challenge, see how everyone failed, then give us teamsmanship training and have us all succeed. problem is they used b&w photos of k'nex, which don't actually obscure what's going on, so i built the little helicopter on the first pass "so jawn, how was training?" "i made something. they made me take it apart and re-build it" "welcome to working at intel!!"
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cis autodrag posted:lol, this training is exactly like epics corporate philosophy class where the CEO just lectures you about culture for 3 hours. http://www.businessinsider.com/ceo-of-barstool-sports-texting-employees-2017-7 posted:If Erika Nardini is going to hire you, first she wants to know you're committed to your job — even on a Sunday at 11 a.m.
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