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Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

I assembled a squad of NKVD for my Soviets tonight.

I am the good guys.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 19:19

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 04:43

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Southern Heel posted:

So does anyone actually Play Force on Force? Or is it just a bunch of people recommending the book to each other?

I play it. Usually about once a year or so we'll get out one of the sourcebooks and run a few scenarios from it for a few weeks in a row. Occasionally we'll come up with silly broken scenarios of our own, or we'll play Tomorrow's War with whatever sci-fi mans are handy either.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 23:03

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

Played a game of Saga today. The scenario table setup rules conspired to make a small pond in the corner of the table the only terrain feature on the table. The pond had absolutely no effect on the battle, at all. The battle of Somewhere Near A Pond didn't really make it into the history books.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 23:26

Cassa: Jan 29, 2009

Viking Mud Wrestling has a few more versions to go?

Arquinsiel posted:

I play it. Usually about once a year or so we'll get out one of the sourcebooks and run a few scenarios from it for a few weeks in a row. Occasionally we'll come up with silly broken scenarios of our own, or we'll play Tomorrow's War with whatever sci-fi mans are handy either.

I've done that when I can't be bothered to remember how 40k's rules work. The special forces vs mobs has been cool to bring a few friends beyond fantasy/sci fi gaming.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 01:28

Class Warcraft: Apr 27, 2006

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

I assembled a squad of NKVD for my Soviets tonight.

I am the good guys.

How'd you equip them? I gave all mine SMG's, probably not historically accurate, but early war Soviets have so very few close range firepower options so gently caress it.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 04:01

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Class Warcraft posted:

How'd you equip them? I gave all mine SMG's, probably not historically accurate, but early war Soviets have so very few close range firepower options so gently caress it.

Half rifles half SMGs and an LMG.

They got gunned down by german para machine guns before they could do shiiiiiit. My assault engineer squad held a key building and took like 3 squads to dislodge repelling multiple assaults until he finally war it down. Assault engineers own.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 04:09

Class Warcraft: Apr 27, 2006

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Half rifles half SMGs and an LMG.

They got gunned down by german para machine guns before they could do shiiiiiit. My assault engineer squad held a key building and took like 3 squads to dislodge repelling multiple assaults until he finally war it down. Assault engineers own.

If you can get into close combat with them they're nasty because the keep fighting to the last man due to the fanatic rule.

I just got a squad of assault engineers and drat the sculpts are really nice, wish I'd bought some of these earlier. Also got one of these:

120 points for two machine guns and a light AT gun with the recce rule aint bad. We'll see how long it survives in-game.

Class Warcraft fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jul 18, 2017

# ? Jul 18, 2017 05:02

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Arquinsiel posted:

I play it. Usually about once a year or so we'll get out one of the sourcebooks and run a few scenarios from it for a few weeks in a row. Occasionally we'll come up with silly broken scenarios of our own, or we'll play Tomorrow's War with whatever sci-fi mans are handy either.

I waiting for Tomorrow's War book to come for a 40K thing I want to do.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 05:16

Polikarpov: Jun 1, 2013; Keep it between the buoys

My BA-6 usually ends up as a posthumous Hero of the Soviet Union because I play it like its a Mad Max deathbuggy, but the reaction when you can flank a STUG or something is always hilarious.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 05:31

Southern Heel: Jul 2, 2004

I see - a friend of mine had an idea for a squad vs mooks game and maybe Tomorrow's War could be good inspiration.

Geisladisk posted:

Played a game of Saga today. The scenario table setup rules conspired to make a small pond in the corner of the table the only terrain feature on the table. The pond had absolutely no effect on the battle, at all. The battle of Somewhere Near A Pond didn't really make it into the history books.

This made me laugh

# ? Jul 18, 2017 08:31

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Southern Heel posted:

I see - a friend of mine had an idea for a squad vs mooks game and maybe Tomorrow's War could be good inspiration.

Mush TW with mook AI rules from Ambush Alley The Game, gorge yourself on 15mm sci fi mans from GZG and post AARs.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 15:53

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Southern Heel posted:

I see - a friend of mine had an idea for a squad vs mooks game and maybe Tomorrow's War could be good inspiration.

It's literally just Force on Force with extra rules for sci-fi tech. It is a good option if you want to do a future game though.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 16:01

Southern Heel: Jul 2, 2004

Yeah that's what I'm thinking - I've got that buddy coming over today and that could be a good call. Is there a TW PDF laying around anywhere I could get a peek at? (Or AA if that's just generally more highly recommended) ?

Cheers!

# ? Jul 18, 2017 16:37

EdsTeioh: Oct 23, 2004; PRAY FOR DEATH

Southern Heel posted:

Yeah that's what I'm thinking - I've got that buddy coming over today and that could be a good call. Is there a TW PDF laying around anywhere I could get a peek at? (Or AA if that's just generally more highly recommended) ?

Cheers!

Shoot an email to my username at ninjascience(dot)org

# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:23

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

The Bolt Action Sea Lion campaign sign up site is up.

http://campaign.boltaction.com/

:getin:

The attacker/defender bennies seem way tilted for casual play, fukkin 40% more points and an extra tank and poo poo for defenders in some territories but w/e should still be fun.

E Company 506th PTR 101st abn div is ready to airdrop into Occupied Great Britain and liberate our allies. :911:

# ? Jul 18, 2017 20:03

Han Feizi: Jul 20, 2014

Anyone here play Blood and Plunder? It seems to be catching on pretty quick around here and I'm debating diving in. After I paint all my other minis of course. :stonklol:

# ? Jul 18, 2017 20:30

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Han Feizi posted:

Anyone here play Blood and Plunder? It seems to be catching on pretty quick around here and I'm debating diving in. After I paint all my other minis of course.

Yeah I wanna play that but my backlog is already crazy./

# ? Jul 18, 2017 20:53

Southern Heel: Jul 2, 2004

EdsTeioh posted:

Shoot an email to my username at ninjascience(dot)org

Found it myself, thanks - it seems reviews are mixed between AA/FF/TW - how does it compare mechanics-wise to CoC/BA (just for example)

# ? Jul 18, 2017 22:08

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

I loved AA when it was its own thing, so I bought FoF. The rules are probably fine, but the book is so... I dunno, overdone? It makes it feel far more complex than I like.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 22:38

EdsTeioh: Oct 23, 2004; PRAY FOR DEATH

Southern Heel posted:

Found it myself, thanks - it seems reviews are mixed between AA/FF/TW - how does it compare mechanics-wise to CoC/BA (just for example)

Not really sure as I haven't looked at AA/FF in a while. I've been more or less obsessed with Bolt Action and to a lesser extent Squad Leader lately and my friend trying to drag me into the new edition of 40k.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 22:59

chutche2: Jul 3, 2010; CUPOLA MY BALLS

Anyone play crossfire? There's a guy on YouTube I follow who plays it but I've never seen it in person.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 23:00

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Colonial Air Force posted:

I loved AA when it was its own thing, so I bought FoF. The rules are probably fine, but the book is so... I dunno, overdone? It makes it feel far more complex than I like.

There's an awful lot of space in the book dedicated to stuff you just won't ever use. poo poo like supply level and confidence is only really relevant in campaign games, and I have almost never had to deal with any of the civillian rules at all. It's basically the same game, but with with a whole book of house rules tacked on.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 00:16

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Aren't supply rolls affecting some of the shooting rolls, anyways?

# ? Jul 19, 2017 05:13

Cassa: Jan 29, 2009

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

The Bolt Action Sea Lion campaign sign up site is up.

http://campaign.boltaction.com/

The attacker/defender bennies seem way tilted for casual play, fukkin 40% more points and an extra tank and poo poo for defenders in some territories but w/e should still be fun.

E Company 506th PTR 101st abn div is ready to airdrop into Occupied Great Britain and liberate our allies.

Hellllllll yeah global campaign.

Won't the bonuses change and modify as more territories are taken over?

Edit: CoC question; how do I tell what MG's an armoured vehicle should have, like a Stug III for example?

Cassa fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jul 19, 2017

# ? Jul 19, 2017 05:48

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

Cassa posted:

Edit: CoC question; how do I tell what MG's an armoured vehicle should have, like a Stug III for example?

All MGs fired from inside the vehicle roll six dice with no modifiers. MGs fired from the roof are top-mounted MMGs and roll 10 dice.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 11:40

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

JcDent posted:

Aren't supply rolls affecting some of the shooting rolls, anyways?

Nearly everything boils down to "just go up/down a die type" TBH, and the stuff that doesn't is just +1 or -1 die in the roll. Depending on how stuff shakes out that might not even matter. It's easily possible to slowroll and end up with an insurgent unit that's always rolling 10 attack dice no matter what, just by merging a couple of smaller units with one support weapon between them.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 13:58

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Cassa posted:

Hellllllll yeah global campaign.

Won't the bonuses change and modify as more territories are taken over?

Maybe but it seems to win and take over in the first place with that sort of Handicap.

Huh I just realized Sea Lion is alt 1940 so technically the US isn't in the war yet. Would an invasion of Britain proper have dragged us in?

# ? Jul 19, 2017 14:14

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Maybe but it seems to win and take over in the first place with that sort of Handicap.

Huh I just realized Sea Lion is alt 1940 so technically the US isn't in the war yet. Would an invasion of Britain proper have dragged us in?

A successful invasion (which, as we all know, was basically impossible) would have been a fait accompli. A few weeks of Blitzkrieg and you're in a situation where the US would have to launch a D-Day assault across the Atlantic rather than the English Channel, which doesn't exactly sound like a winner. Britain isn't exactly a large country, after all.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 15:16

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Heck, the as long as the whole thing is hugely ahistorical-- if we need to balance the numbers at the FLGS, I could always say the Business Plot was successful back in the day and I was just joining the baddies for the big win. :black101:

# ? Jul 19, 2017 15:19

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

"Lend-lease equipped Home Guard in response to enemy buildup on Atlantic coast" aaaaand you're done.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 17:17

Ensign Expendable: Nov 11, 2008; Lager beer is proof that god loves us; Pillbug

If you're going ahistorical, might as well go for broke. Have the USSR join the war and send Britain tanks, T-26es fighting Tauchpanzers on the shores of England would be pretty rad.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 18:13

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Ensign Expendable posted:

If you're going ahistorical, might as well go for broke. Have the USSR join the war and send Britain tanks, T-26es fighting Tauchpanzers on the shores of England would be pretty rad.

Cliffs of Dover wargame terrain plz

# ? Jul 19, 2017 18:22

Southern Heel: Jul 2, 2004

Phi230 posted:

Cliffs of Dover wargame terrain plz

hi it's me, the side of your washing machine

# ? Jul 19, 2017 19:26

Cassa: Jan 29, 2009

Geisladisk posted:

All MGs fired from inside the vehicle roll six dice with no modifiers. MGs fired from the roof are top-mounted MMGs and roll 10 dice.

Cool, so just go off the model essentially?

# ? Jul 20, 2017 02:10

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

One more to go and I'll have finished the whole box.

Of course I'll need eight for Sharp Practice :shepface:

# ? Jul 20, 2017 04:27

Fish and Chimps: Feb 16, 2012; mmmfff; Fun Shoe

Endman posted:

One more to go and I'll have finished the whole box.

Of course I'll need eight for Sharp Practice

They look great. Always a pleasure to see more Napoleonics

# ? Jul 20, 2017 06:13

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

Cassa posted:

Cool, so just go off the model essentially?

Well, it's a bit more complex than that, because the MGs are fired by ordering whoever is manning them to do so by the tank commander.

The platonic "tank" in COC has the standard five man layout - Commander, turret gunner, loader, hull machine gunner, and driver. Most of the tanks in the second world war follow this layout, and this is the layout that the rules assume. Tanks that deviate from this (e.g STUG) will note this in the vehicle army list entry. For example, the STUG entry states "No hull MG". COC also lacks rules for certain edge cases, such as the STUG's roof MG, which is operated by the loader. We just houseruled it such that the commander can order the loader to fire the MG, but the cannon cannot be fired in the same phase.

The Consolidated Arsenal is a community project to rework inaccurate stats, and to add stats for vehicles that COC lacks rules for. It lists the MGs on each vehicle in a more coherent manner.

# ? Jul 20, 2017 10:19

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Endman posted:

One more to go and I'll have finished the whole box.

Of course I'll need eight for Sharp Practice

You paint them one at a time?

Looks great, though.

# ? Jul 20, 2017 12:56

Geisladisk: Sep 15, 2007

I bought Napoleon Total War on a Steam sale and played it the last couple of days. Jesus gently caress I never realized just how brutal this period of warfare was.

"Go stand over there, in a line, in the open, and shoot these other guys less than a hundred meters away. Try not to flinch every time the other side fires a volley, and try not to think about how the only thing controlling your personal survival is random chance. Do that until one of you can't stand it anymore and runs away. That was actually the least bad part. There are also cannons shooting clouds of scrap metal at you, and you will probably get charged from behind by cavalry at some point.

Oh also there are no antibiotics or anesthesia, and battlefield medicine is just a bunch of drunks with knives."

At least they got fancy hats.

Geisladisk fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jul 20, 2017

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 04:43

Fish and Chimps: Feb 16, 2012; mmmfff; Fun Shoe

Geisladisk posted:

The Consolidated Arsenal is a community project to rework inaccurate stats, and to add stats for vehicles that COC lacks rules for. It lists the MGs on each vehicle in a more coherent manner.

Shermans still have the Ronson special rule!
:arghfist:

Edit:

Geisladisk posted:

At least they got fancy hats.

Truly a thing we would all risk our lives for

Fish and Chimps fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Jul 20, 2017

# ? Jul 20, 2017 13:42

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