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Azhais posted:Unicron You may be joking, but some kind of world-eating Dark Side machine planet waking up and going all Galactus might be a pretty cool Star Wars campaign
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Lemniscate Blue posted:You may be joking, but some kind of world-eating Dark Side machine planet waking up and going all Galactus might be a pretty cool Star Wars campaign Bonus points if it was just hanging back from attacking known space until the Death Star(s) were destroyed out of self preservation.
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Jul 18, 2017 01:50
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That also sets up an interesting alternate origin for the World Devastators, if the Empire managed to defeat the thing and reverse engineer its munching mechanism. Maybe the thing could be an Abominor, following Zonama Sekot across dark space and trying to devour it specifically.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:19
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Robot Style posted:Does anyone have any suggestions for weird, dangerous things that could be lurking in the Unknown Regions? One of my players has been offered an ongoing job of uncovering the nature of the mysterious threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat, but I haven't decided what that should be yet (I don't really want to introduce the Yuuzhan Vong or whatever Snoke stuff they're hinting at now). How big would you want to go? Because some kind of body snatching parasite thing could scale to be as big or as small a threat as you wanted. Imagine something like that fungus that mind controls ants, it just subtly alters the infected person's behavior to guide it toward the goals of the fungus (core, hive mind, whatever). One person infected can't do much, as they're mostly still the same person that they were before, though sometimes they do things they later rationalize away ("I was always going to buy a blaster rifle" "I must have zoned out there for a second at the controls, my bad" etc.), but dozens or hundreds of people all acting in semi-concert can produce very dramatic effects. Now imagine of this synchronicity fungus were to get on board an imperial star destroyer. I mean, your rebel plan was to get captured on purpose anyway, right?
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Jul 18, 2017 03:48
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8one6 posted:How big would you want to go? Because some kind of body snatching parasite thing could scale to be as big or as small a threat as you wanted. Imagine something like that fungus that mind controls ants, it just subtly alters the infected person's behavior to guide it toward the goals of the fungus (core, hive mind, whatever). One person infected can't do much, as they're mostly still the same person that they were before, though sometimes they do things they later rationalize away ("I was always going to buy a blaster rifle" "I must have zoned out there for a second at the controls, my bad" etc.), but dozens or hundreds of people all acting in semi-concert can produce very dramatic effects.
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Jul 18, 2017 05:03
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MadDogMike posted:Bonus points if it was just hanging back from attacking known space until the Death Star(s) were destroyed out of self preservation. The Emperor was a misunderstood savior. Now they'll all be sorry. 
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Jul 18, 2017 05:24
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Lorak posted:Did somebody say "brain worms"? drat you extended universe!! (Seriously, how did I forget something from Clone Wars?)
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Jul 18, 2017 05:50
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Robot Style posted:One of my players has been offered an ongoing job of uncovering the nature of the mysterious threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat, but I haven't decided what that should be yet (I don't really want to introduce the Yuuzhan Vong or whatever Snoke stuff they're hinting at now). But wasn't the threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat actually the Yuuzhan Vong? I've not kept up on NewCanon at all, have they gone into Thrawn's backstory and revised it yet, or did they just toss the Legends fan a bone by including Thrawn in Rebels with minimal backstory?
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Jul 18, 2017 07:52
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Drone posted:But wasn't the threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat actually the Yuuzhan Vong? Thrawns new backstory is hes helping the back guys because hes a bad guy and not secretly a good guy.
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Jul 18, 2017 07:57
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Ah, yes, the notion that the Empire is some kind of gambit to "make the galaxy thougher" to resist their invasion", the crown jewel of EU silliness. Empire fanboys ruin everything.
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Jul 18, 2017 09:49
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Iceclaw posted:Ah, yes, the notion that the Empire is some kind of gambit to "make the galaxy thougher" to resist their invasion", the crown jewel of EU silliness. Empire fanboys ruin everything. Look man fascism is a hell of a drug. We cannot hold it against those that enjoy the trappings of fascism in an ironic fashion, but we can blame idiots for trying to have their fascist cake and "Just Following Orders" too.
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Jul 18, 2017 13:48
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karmicknight posted:We cannot hold it against those that enjoy the trappings of fascism in an ironic fashion
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Iceclaw posted:Ah, yes, the notion that the Empire is some kind of gambit to "make the galaxy thougher" to resist their invasion", the crown jewel of EU silliness. Empire fanboys ruin everything. This is like an abusive father's excuse for why he beats his kids while drunk.
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And it used to be the reason why Thrawn and freaking Palpatine supported the Empire. That's kind of why I'm not too hard on the prequels: because the EU had bit that were far, far worse.
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Jul 18, 2017 14:17
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Drone posted:But wasn't the threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat actually the Yuuzhan Vong? I haven't read the book, but apparently the Thrawn novel establishes that there's something spooky in the Unknown Regions that Thrawn is trying to fight. Instead of the Vong, the new canon had been hinting that it's the source of the Dark Side. The Empire heads out to find it after they're defeated at Jakku, and reappears a little while later led by Snoke.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:47
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Robot Style posted:Does anyone have any suggestions for weird, dangerous things that could be lurking in the Unknown Regions? One of my players has been offered an ongoing job of uncovering the nature of the mysterious threat that Thrawn joined the Empire to defeat, but I haven't decided what that should be yet (I don't really want to introduce the Yuuzhan Vong or whatever Snoke stuff they're hinting at now). Silentium 
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Jul 18, 2017 19:00
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Robot Style posted:the new canon had been hinting that it's the source of the Dark Side Ah okay, glad to see Disney traded one lovely expanded universe for an equally lovely one then.
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Jul 18, 2017 19:08
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Drone posted:Ah okay, glad to see Disney traded one lovely expanded universe for an equally lovely one then. I mean, it's probably not literally going to be that. It's more likely that Snoke was just so strong in the Dark Side that he was blipping on their radar like crazy and they felt they hit the motherlode.
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Jul 19, 2017 05:13
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I'm totes fine with Thrawn et al joining the Empire to defeat a larger threat. People make terrible decisions without concern for consequences all the time. Defeating a threat while trampling wholesale over the Galaxy's lives is still a great story for a bad guy, without really any redemption for them. Especially if the good guys then win later on (as happened with the Vong) without being fascist assholes the whole time. Evil people making unnecessary sacrifices in the name of the greater good is a freaking trope, it's not "empire fanboys" or whatever. Tldr: cool motive, still murder.
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Jul 19, 2017 18:51
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Covok posted:I mean, it's probably not literally going to be that. It's more likely that Snoke was just so strong in the Dark Side that he was blipping on their radar like crazy and they felt they hit the motherlode. Yeah, the mentions of it are pretty "I know a guy who knows a guy who thinks this". Star Wars: Aftermath posted:“No Sith remain,” Tashu says. “And the lone Jedi that exists—the son of Anakin Skywalker —possesses an untouchable soul. At least for now. We must instead move toward the dark side. Palpatine felt that the universe beyond the edges of our maps was where his power came from. Over the many years he, with our aid, sent men and women beyond known space. They built labs and communication stations on distant moons, asteroids, out there in the wilds. We must follow them. Retreat from the galaxy. Go out beyond the veil of stars. We must seek the source of the dark side like a man looking for a wellspring of water.”
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Do any of the FFG publications go into any more depth on the Corporate Sector beyond the page or two in the Edge rulebook? I'm mulling over campaign ideas, and I'd like it to be a major set piece, if not the full-time setting.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:38
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WEG D6 had a sourcebook for it but I don't believe FFG has gotten there yet
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Jul 24, 2017 18:40
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Grab the WEG D6 sourcebook and layer in any cyberpunk source material you want (Shadowrun, Stephenson/Gibson, whatever).
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How does everyone handle minion mobs? I was under the impression that unless you had an AoE or multishot weapon you couldn't take out more than one minion in a group at a time but I've heard I'm mistaken on that one. I can see in melee a really good attack you could maybe say the attacker just managed to stab/hack/slice another minion next to his buddy, but what about with weapons? Do you guys just say "Oh your blaster managed to fire one extra time and took out the next minion in line"? Furthermore, how does Blast work with minions? Is the blast damage (less the minion soak) multiplied by the number of minions in the group applied to the Stress Threshold and compared to see how many minions got taken out? And how does autofire and dual-wielding blasters work against minions?
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FuriousAngle posted:How does everyone handle minion mobs? Each attack roll represents a flurry of attacks. You're not just firing once or taking a single swing with your vibroaxe, you're exchanging several hits backs and forth.
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FuriousAngle posted:How does everyone handle minion mobs? It's always important to remember that your turn in this game represents roughly a minute of time. It's never one attack but the culmination of everything you're doing in a minute. A person making a ranged (light) skill check in a combat is actually firing several salvos, ducking behind cover to avoid incoming shots, returning fire etc. In terms of minions with blast. The initial attack his minions, reduce by soak and deals damage. Apply blast means every minion in that group gets hit, applies soak to the damage, then adds up all the left over damage and deals it to the minion group. A grenade his the stormtrooper squad (of 5 members, with 5 soak and 5 wounds) for 8 damage and has blast 7. The initial damage is 3 (8-5 soak) and the squad takes 3 damage (3/25 total health pool). Each squad member is hit by the blast taking 2 (7 - 5 soak) damage each for a total of 10. The squad then takes another 10 damage. (13/25 total meaning two squad members die reducing the health pool to 3/15). Autofire and dual-wielding are individual attacks so you apply soak to each hit and then drill down through the group's health, removing squad members as needed. kingcom fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Each round lasts up to a minute. You can easily count several attacks as one versus minions, and if you don't they get surprisingly beefy because then you need to make 5 separate attacks to take out the entire group essentially. Only count them once for blast though, they are one mob on the map, not several.
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nothing to seehere posted:Each round lasts up to a minute. You can easily count several attacks as one versus minions, and if you don't they get surprisingly beefy because then you need to make 5 separate attacks to take out the entire group essentially. Only count them once for blast though, they are one mob on the map, not several. Nah the devs have straight said all of them get hit by the blast individually. Blast weapons decimate minion groups. EDIT: It also excuses why so many weapons have a super low blast quality to them.
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Huh, wasn't aware of that. Fair enough.
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Very new, Super confused about Force Powers. If a character has a FR 1, then they roll 1 force die. 2 light side treated like a critical? Can you just use force powers infinitely? I was buzzed when reading it, so maybe thats the problem.
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If they roll two light side pips they can use more than one pop on the power, if the power allows it. See how for move, the "base" power is to move a size 0 object in short range. If you get extra pips and have bought the upgrade to use them, you can spend two pips to move it to medium range instead, or move a size 1 object.
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There's no mana pool equivalent if that's what you're asking. You roll your force die and can either use the power or not. Sometimes you can't depending on the results (ie you're out of DPs and strain, and rolled your opposite alignment). The only way to not be able to roll for them at all is if you've committed your dice to a power, in which case you're already getting something out of it.
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Thanks to everyone who answered my question about minion mobs! I think I've got it now (the turn as one-minute is a little difficult to wrap my head around, but that's RAW so it is what it is).
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Aug 2, 2017 16:12
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Think of it not as tactical combat but as cinematic combat, since that's one of the core ideas behind the system.
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I had completely forgotten that a combat round is supposed to be about a minute long, despite knowing that the minion system was explicitly designed to make combat feel more cinematic and Star Wars-y. In a recent session I had a player who rolled enough damage to kill two minions in one shot, and it would have helped to remember that when I tried to describe the cinema action... instead I was just like "uhh, your blaster rifle shot cored one dude and then hit the guy standing behind him"
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poo poo my PCs have been making shots that kill 2-3 minions all the time I didn't know the scale so i would make up poo poo that one shot kills like 4 people
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How were you guys dealing with 1 advantage crit builds? Those guys can not entire minion groups in one go.
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Savidudeosoo posted:How were you guys dealing with 1 advantage crit builds? Those guys can not entire minion groups in one go. I said poo poo like "You hit a grenade on the stormtroopers belt and the squad gets vaporized"
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FuriousAngle posted:Thanks to everyone who answered my question about minion mobs! I think I've got it now (the turn as one-minute is a little difficult to wrap my head around, but that's RAW so it is what it is). A way to think of it that might help is that you probably notice combat is very quick and lethal. It's over in only a few rounds for the most part. It's basically taking 2-3 turns of d&d style 'I attack, then you attack' and merging that all into one giant check. Its to give you lots of leeway with describing what happens and how it happens since you're combining multiple D&D style rounds into one check. Savidudeosoo posted:How were you guys dealing with 1 advantage crit builds? Those guys can not entire minion groups in one go. I don't think you can trigger multiple crits in a turn. Generating a crit on a minion group will just kill one member off the bat.
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Yeah, activating a weapon's critical multiple times in one attack just increases the severity of the injury roll, it doesn't actually give you multiple crits, so you'll still need to be dealing a crazy amount of damage in one round to wipe the whole group (still pretty easy with the right setup). Where killing multiple minions in one round has gotten a bit weird in my experience is when dealing with melee or brawl checks on a pack that's all spread out. Uh, you hit that greedo so hard that his buddy on the other side of the cantina shits himself into unconsciousness from sheer terror? Usually when it comes up for my droid I'll just say that he moved really fast just pingponging from one guy to the next then back again, or that he finished the first minion and chucked him across the room at the other.
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