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blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Ethereal units suffer against Dwarfs because of their magic damage, all Dwarfs have an inherent 25% magic resist. All Ethereal units do magic damage, so they suffer a 25% reduction in damage output.

A Dwarf unit with magic damage will absolutely melt Ethereal units as well.

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Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Something skaven and lizardmen also have in common is they both secretly saved the world from destruction

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
The Skaven accidentally saving the world from Nagash is probably my favorite story in-setting. :allears:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Zore posted:

The Skaven accidentally saving the world from Nagash is probably my favorite story in-setting. :allears:

Not mine. :skeltal::yohoho::dunkedon: :zpatriot:

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010

Zore posted:

The Skaven accidentally saving the world from Nagash is probably my favorite story in-setting. :allears:

A Skaven SPEC OPS crew found the last great king, and handed him a sword of pure radiation.

As his body and mind were melting, the Council of Thirteen focused all of their magic into him, and basically controlled him like a fantasy FPS, which blew out most of their minds.

e: I'm putting a bet on Middenland. Forest Goblin/Spider Goblin conflict has always been a huge deal in the Drakenwald, and the Empire needs a secondary start really badly. They use bows. It lets them introduce the Hunt Marshall they hinted at during the Skaven Stuff. It gives them a chance to rework the Empire. That region is cold, and near/alongside Nordland. Ideally it comes with a much larger overhaul of the Empire politics system.

I just don't think it's Norsca. What would a Norsca campaign even be? Fight the other tribes for 50 turns before becoming Chaos Invasion pre Chaos Invasion? Fight the other tribes for 100 turns before Chaos shows up and you have to fight them before even Kislev does? The hints feel more like misdirection then they do genuine hints.

Rookersh fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jul 18, 2017

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
Perhaps the norsca dlc will also include changes to the existing chaos faction? It would make a great deal of sense since norsca is a subfaction of the warriors of chaos anyway

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
You're all wrong. The DLC is adding Scrunts.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Is it just SFO or is it also in vanilla that if you're beastmen wood elves will devote their entire existence to hunting you down

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

StashAugustine posted:

Is it just SFO or is it also in vanilla that if you're beastmen wood elves will devote their entire existence to hunting you down

If you played Chaos in vanilla, you'd be sure to expect Karl and friends beelining to the furthest portions of the north to pick a fight with your weakened horde, least with beastmen you can go invisible.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010
The fourth race is actually going to be Pontus.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
At least smashing Empire stacks is way more fun than trying to chase down Norscan stacks or crashing into Kraka Drak stacks as Chaos.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
Dark Dark Elves

Gejnor
Mar 14, 2005

Fun Shoe
https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/photos/a.125554144186461.25910.113800552028487/1547933545281840/?type=3
Its Norsca y'all.

Gejnor fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jul 18, 2017

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013
Personally, I hope this means it's easier for the order races to do diplomacy with Norsca.

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kanos posted:

Man, with how great and full of variety TWW2 looks, if game 3 is literally just "LOTS OF CHAOS" it'll be pretty hugely disappointing. Elves riding phoenixes fighting dinosaurs riding on other dinosaurs is a pretty hard act to follow but "four different flavors of daemon army and maybe some tweaks to black metal armor mans" isn't that appealing to me.

chaos finally split into their Power Metal, Death Metal, Glam Metal and Black Metal variants.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

Zore posted:

Brettonia really wasn't 75% done before the FLC. They added a ton of unique mechanics and models compared to the barebones version available in multi.

Really the only new things where the LLs and chivalry, pretty much everything else was already in the files in some form, which is why the Bretonnia mods that were popular seemed so fleshed out.

So long as the art exists somewhere, the rest of it is extremely straightforward, especially if you, you know, have access to all the dev tools. I could make new Bretonnia horse archer units with the existing assets in like ten minutes with just the PFM.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jul 18, 2017

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Kanos posted:

Man, with how great and full of variety TWW2 looks, if game 3 is literally just "LOTS OF CHAOS" it'll be pretty hugely disappointing. Elves riding phoenixes fighting dinosaurs riding on other dinosaurs is a pretty hard act to follow but "four different flavors of daemon army and maybe some tweaks to black metal armor mans" isn't that appealing to me.

Well, you also have giant Tibetan ogres with yeti support, insane giant-hat black-metal Babylonian dwarves with Mongolian hobgoblin outriders and depending on just how they feel about going army-bookless, possibly an expedition of terra-cotta steampunk Chinese with monkey warriors. Plus the demons aren't just big red guys. They're, giant friendly plague corpses with their guts hanging out, flying screaming discs, flamethrower birds, crab-ladies and also some big red guys.

Also there are lizardmen and tomb kings just south of that, not to mention orcs as well as a town of imperials there as well.

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Dang, if it's Norsca then who's the Old Friend DLC?!

Deakul fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jul 18, 2017

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

Mans posted:

chaos finally split into their Power Metal, Death Metal, Glam Metal and Black Metal variants.

Honestly a four way well done chaos split could be really cool. They could easily get some non army book units to flesh out the factions. Each faction could be just as distinctive and unique as the eight from WH 1+2.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Deakul posted:

Dang, if it's Norsca then who's the Old Friend DLC?!

:pray: Please be Krell. Please be Krell. Please be Krell. :pray:

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0

The Norsca reveal trailer

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Deakul posted:

Dang, if it's Norsca then who's the Old Friend DLC?!

I think this is the Old Friend.

pnutz
Jan 5, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0 GODDAMNIT

may need to wait a little and see if they have a 60 fps version of the trailer, the current framerate looks off

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007

Deakul posted:

Dang, if it's Norsca then who's the Old Friend DLC?!



My guess is it'll be Krell. The Old Friend mystery goes back to release so it's probably one of the four original factions and nobody plays Kemmler anymore but he constantly asks "Where's Krell!?" and one of his quest battles mentions looking for him.

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:



oh loving hell yes

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Metal as gently caress.

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Wafflecopper posted:

I always thought that was pretty dumb. You fought an army of rat-men with lightning guns, poison gas grenades, and a giant wheel? Must be some kind of beastman, they are after all known for their technological innovations

Skaven fighting open pitched battles is a lot rarer in the lore than it is on the table, the number of dudes in the Empire who've seen them up close is not that high. For most people most places in the Empire, at best they're going to hear that someone somewhere fought a battle against an army of giant rats, and their local priest is going to kindly explain that these things get exaggerated and it's probably just the story getting confused and who ever heard of Beastmen using guns etc. etc.

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Wafflecopper posted:

I always thought that was pretty dumb. You fought an army of rat-men with lightning guns, poison gas grenades, and a giant wheel? Must be some kind of beastman, they are after all known for their technological innovations

You're also assuming that peasants and commoners fielded in battle against anything chaos-tainted ever make it back to their homes, families, friends, etc. Which is quite the optimistic view.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!
What about the Dwarves? They have major grudges against the Skaven, and good relations with the Empire; you'd think they would be talking about them more.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
10th of August release date for Norsca. Gives us a month and a half to rinse that before TWW2 comes out.

stopgap1
Jul 27, 2013

John Charity Spring posted:

10th of August release date for Norsca. Gives us a month and a half to rinse that before TWW2 comes out.

where is your information, all i saw was an awesome trailer, I want to know about units.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Panfilo posted:

What about the Dwarves? They have major grudges against the Skaven, and good relations with the Empire; you'd think they would be talking about them more.

The humans just smile and nod whenever a dwarf goes off about Thaggoraki.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

stopgap1 posted:

where is your information, all i saw was an awesome trailer, I want to know about units.

There's a date at the very end of the trailer, where it also shows the presumed legendary lord with a wolf companion. Also we're apparently getting roster details in about 40 minutes.

Trujillo
Jul 10, 2007
The date is at the end of the trailer but they're doing a roster reveal on facebook live in 35 minutes.

https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/

E: They also posted a link to a norsca FAQ: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/norsca-qa/

"We are also releasing Free-LC alongside Norsca as well, stay tuned for more info shortly."

Trujillo fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 18, 2017

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Panfilo posted:

What about the Dwarves? They have major grudges against the Skaven, and good relations with the Empire; you'd think they would be talking about them more.

It's not like there's tons of Dwarfs routinely chilling in villages throughout the Empire.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Second LL is Throgg the troll king. Man CA is digging deep into the lore for units. Skinwolves, fimir, motherfucking ice dragons

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

quote:

The Norsca Race Pack adds two new playable factions to Total War™: WARHAMMER®, with new Legendary Lords, unique units, quests and mechanics:

Choose one of two epic Legendary Lords, with unique start positions and quest chains, to lead your campaign:

Wulfrik, the wanderer without fear. Only the deadliest prey will sate his lust for the hunt.
Throgg, the mountainous Troll King. Possessed of an intelligence rare in his vile kind, he is hell-bent on bringing the frigid horrors of Norsca to the world.
Embark on brand new ‘Monster Hunt’ quests and subjugate unique, deadly quarries, forcing them to fight among your ranks.

Command brand new units such as monstrous War Mammoths, savage Skinwolves and the mysterious Fimir to bring your foes to heel.

Construct monoliths to honour the ancient dark gods, and receive their blessings to further your conquest.

Sounds like Norsca is the Pokemon master faction. :v:

Can't say I expected the Fimir to ever show up.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Trujillo posted:

The date is at the end of the trailer but they're doing a roster reveal on facebook live in 35 minutes.

https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/

E: They also posted a link to a norsca FAQ: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/norsca-qa/

"We are also releasing Free-LC alongside Norsca as well, stay tuned for more info shortly."

Looks like some chaos hounds, big rear end wolves, Mammoths and I think a Yeti in that background pic.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
lord seems cool, not particularly interested in any of the various new Mean Animals. I wonder what the other new units will be like.

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peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted
Oh wow they're bringing back fimirs???

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