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Vadoc posted:There had been official mentions of Space Marines before.
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Moose_Knuck posted:Night Lords was actually the first series I read, after I couldn't get into Eisenhorn, initially. Cythereal posted:I think Lord of the Night works better as standalone than the Night Lords series proper.
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Not having read the Talos series, and fearful of the answer, yet I ask: What are the core concepts of Warhammer 40K?
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Hopelessness
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Jul 10, 2017 17:33
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Varying amounts of Grimness and Darkness.
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That, and the fact that there are genetic supersoldiers running around, half of which rebelled in a galaxy-spanning civil war. There's the warp, and Chaos, in general, added to the fact that, while the books are great for allowing you to actually connect with the characters (specifically Talos,) the impact is lessened if you don't know the Night Lords are horrific monsters. I'm not saying that they aren't good books (I love them,) but I think they require a certain familiarity with 40K. Anyone visiting this thread is not going to have any issues with the books, as they at least are likely to have a passing understanding of 40K. Someone who says "I like Star Wars - what's this Warhamster thing I've been hearing about" might need a bit of a tutorial before being handed a stack of Night Lords books.
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I was going to say "millions of loving skulls", but I dig your takes 
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berzerkmonkey posted:That, and the fact that there are genetic supersoldiers running around, half of which rebelled in a galaxy-spanning civil war. There's the warp, and Chaos, in general, added to the fact that, while the books are great for allowing you to actually connect with the characters (specifically Talos,) the impact is lessened if you don't know the Night Lords are horrific monsters. The flip side is that you find out they're horrific monsters, especially in the third book.
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40k is basically shits hosed and there is nothing you can do to fix it.
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Foxtrot_13 posted:40k is basically shits hosed and there is nothing you can do to fix it. poo poo's mostly hosed, you can't get it unfucked, but, if you're lucky, by heroic effort you might keep some of your poo poo from getting hosed. At which point you realize you're still living in the middle of a massive mountain of poo poo. Then you probably die in agony.
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The Rat posted:The flip side is that you find out they're horrific monsters, especially in the third book. I love Octavia's reaction. She's reminded how hosed up the Night Lords are after having grown complacent about them.
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chiasaur11 posted:poo poo's mostly hosed, you can't get it unfucked, but, if you're lucky, by heroic effort you might keep some of your poo poo from getting hosed. There are places like Ultramar where that's not true. In short story in the Iron Warriors omnibus the Mechanicus screwed up and caused an industrial accident, and they ended up having to close the mine because all the workers moved away and got different jobs because negligently killing a hundred people doesn't fly there.
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Yeah there are a bunch of worlds where things are actually pretty decent its just we never see those ones in the books. The imperium kinda does not give a gently caress what you do or how you run your world as long as you tithe basically.
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Tias posted:Not having read the Talos series, and fearful of the answer, yet I ask: What are the core concepts of Warhammer 40K? There may be a human rights violation or two by the Emperor's administration.
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Tias posted:Not having read the Talos series, and fearful of the answer, yet I ask: What are the core concepts of Warhammer 40K? The Emperor was a bad dad.
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Zil posted:The Emperor was a bad dad. The emperor was a bad leader in general, basically the only thing he had going for him was immortality and strong psychic powers.
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Zasze posted:The emperor was a bad leader in general, basically the only thing he had going for him was immortality and strong psychic powers. I disagree, his very presence created a society that lasted 10 millennia at least. This isn't quite the society he had in mind, but it is still a society in his name. That's pretty drat good and a "bad leader" would never achieve anything of the sort.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I disagree, his very presence created a society that lasted 10 millennia at least. This isn't quite the society he had in mind, but it is still a society in his name. That's pretty drat good and a "bad leader" would never achieve anything of the sort. Sitting dead in a chair tomb thing isn't being a leader.
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MariusLecter posted:Sitting dead in a chair tomb thing isn't being a leader. That was only the last 10 millennia. He was bringing humanity out of the Age of Strife the previous 8-ish thousand years (M23.) Since the M31, the High Lords have been in charge, loving things up along the way.
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MariusLecter posted:Sitting dead in a chair tomb thing isn't being a leader. But having a smooth succession is. This is why Alexander the Great was a poor leader in the grand scheme of things.
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MariusLecter posted:Sitting dead in a chair tomb thing isn't being a leader. I would gladly trade that for some of our current elected leaders....
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Just ordered Carrion Throne and Master of Mankind hard covers from Amazon cause I got some gift cards thrown my way. Is that new Lorgar book any good?
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I haven't really enjoyed any of them so far, and I've bailed out of the Primarchs. They all seem to be throw-away pieces. Have you read Red Tithe? That was pretty good.
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Just finished "Galaxy in Flames". Everyone just went 0 to killing babies pretty quick. Didn't really understand how Horus convinced others to join so easily.
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rocket_man38 posted:Just finished "Galaxy in Flames". Everyone just went 0 to killing babies pretty quick. Didn't really understand how Horus convinced others to join so easily. The Speeece Marines joined in because they are bio-engineered to obey their primarchs. The other primarchs? Mostly massive unresolved daddy issues Fulgrim? Possessed by a demon Perturabo? Wanted to build poo poo and the Big E forced him to destroy poo poo. Daddy issues. Curze? hosed in the head and predestined to fall because he had seen he already did. And massive daddy issues due to hypocrisy of the Impirium Angron? Massive daddy issues due to the Big E letting his bros be butchered. Plus the butchers nails and seeing the Big E for the fascist he was Mortarion? No body liked him but his best bud and the Big E was a massive hypocrite due to psykers. Daddy issues again Magnus? The Big E wouldn't let him play with magic and sulked when Rus came a knocking. Lorgar? Daddy issues when the Big E wouldn't let him be worshiped. Apharius? Conned by aliens Initially this was just a "Horus is right, the Emperor is wrong lets build a better empire" with the truth only really known by Lorgar and Horus.
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A terrible combination of daddy issues, demonic possession, insanity and doing it for their own ends.
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Also by the time the heresy kicks off the warrior lodges had infiltrated the legions for decades, slowly sowing chaos corruption within the leadership and the rank and file.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Also by the time the heresy kicks off the warrior lodges had infiltrated the legions for decades, slowly sowing chaos corruption within the leadership and the rank and file. Yeah, this was not well explained at all, especially in the first HH books. It was portrayed like "Hey - we've got a secret club. You wanna join?" to Horus almost dying a week later to BLOODBLOODBLOOD about three days after.
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rocket_man38 posted:Just finished "Galaxy in Flames". Everyone just went 0 to killing babies pretty quick. Didn't really understand how Horus convinced others to join so easily. I would have much rather the heresy start in earnest as trying to improve things and then slowly go to poo poo rather than Horus waking up from his nap EVIL.
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Yeah, start as a kind of wake up that dad was awful and justifying evil acts as necessary to dethrone a tyrant, not moustache twirling villain territory. All it would need is some regret and personal pain displayed by Horus to the rest of the Mournival.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, this was not well explained at all, especially in the first HH books. It was portrayed like "Hey - we've got a secret club. You wanna join?" to Horus almost dying a week later to BLOODBLOODBLOOD about three days after. Yeah it really wasn't. I think it was ADB who goes into more detail that the lodges have been within the traitor legions for at least years, if not decades. Especially in the specific case of the Word Bearers.
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So an Age of Sigmar novel won this years best novel Gemell award.  https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/17/gemmell-awards-warbeast/ I'd previously dismissed all AoS novels as being obvious trash even by genre fiction standards. Has anyone actually read this?
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I don't put much stock in literary awards since the sad puppies nonsense with the Hugos. That being said I haven't bothered to read any Age of Sigmar stuff either so I can't say if my belief holds any weight in this instance.
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Zasze posted:I would have much rather the heresy start in earnest as trying to improve things and then slowly go to poo poo rather than Horus waking up from his nap EVIL. This is what i was expecting. Revenge of the Sith level good to bad was what came out.
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I feel offended on his behalf that an award with Gemell's name on it was given to Gav Thorpe.
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I've been put off by the mess that is the AoS background, and have avoided the books (possibly fueled out of spite from the Old World fiasco,) but I have heard that a few are alright. There's a new one coming out that actually focuses on humans (Eight Lamentations: Spear of Shadows,) so people are excited for it. Are the Gemmell Awards voted on by the public? If so, I don't imagine it would be difficult for GW to market for a win, just because it has a bigger online presence than the other publishers.
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I just ordered the special edition of Lorgar: Bearer of the Word for $65. How dumb am I?
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