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I think we'll see more similarities with Eclipsa and Star this season. Her and Eclipsa being the two most magically attuned Butterflys has already been said and Ludo pointing out how Star doesn't even know the chapter one spell from her book is a big part of that because she's capable of what she is already without any kind of focused training, something I think we'll see Eclipsa was like too at her age. Another big one is their relations with monsters. Star has a small following of monsters that see her as cool/something to look up to already and she has no problem hanging out with them (or even dating like Tom). The entire rest of her family and Mewni see monsters as just something to fight, not mingle with and going forward I wonder if Star will start facing ostracization with the rebuilding of Mewni and the refusale of the royals to work with the monsters to do so
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Acebuckeye13 posted:
I like the artists notes.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 16:07 |
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Toffee is like everything I like in a villain. It's a little sad he's dead but no good villain can live forever. The transformation was loving awesome I wanna draw that poo poo super badly but a replacement cord for my tablet hasn't arrived yet Also I gotta say, I wish Ludo had a bit more of a... resolution? I guess? I find him to be a really tragic character and would've liked a bit more than just "I have some stuff to work out throw me off screen for a while". The credits song is dope edit: They shoulda done more to make the magical liquid when the regeneration temple starts up again look less like pee though Macaluso fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 17, 2017 |
# ? Jul 17, 2017 16:35 |
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Ironslave posted:Eclipsa and Ludo as the surrogate mother and (monster) son they never had. I really hope that, wether she ends up a villain or not, Eclipsa is just super sweet and supportive towards every monster she meets. I'm picturing her as a combination of Mortica Adams and Mary Poppins, which is pretty appropriate since her wand was an umbrella.
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# ? Jul 17, 2017 16:35 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I really hope that, wether she ends up a villain or not, Eclipsa is just super sweet and supportive towards every monster she meets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obNTJTByrF4 Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 17, 2017 |
# ? Jul 17, 2017 18:25 |
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With Toffee's story tentatively over, I feel like it would be helpful to write out a timeline of how his plans and motives changed and evolved over time. There are still some loose ends here and there (so what's his real name?), but I think his story can at least be theoretically tied up.
That sure is a lot of steps, but then half of it he made up as he went along. TLDR: The only reason Toffee failed is because he figured Star would only be as powerful as her mother. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jul 18, 2017 |
# ? Jul 17, 2017 19:50 |
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Rewatched the 2 hour episode again and it dawned on me how sad the scene with Ludo is before Star does the Whispering Spell a second time is. He's basically admitting he's losing his mind, he can't sleep cause he always hearing a voice in his head, and he realizes how crazy talking to his wand hand is so he's just begging Star to do something to make it stop
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 01:15 |
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So the livechat just ended, and they have a very brief promo at the end, consisting of three lines: Star saying "When Toffee was destroyed, she'd be set free," Moon saying "She can make you do things you don't want to do," and Eclipsa saying "How did that spell work out for you?" The most important info, though, was the news that the next episodes will begin airing... in November
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 01:16 |
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Yes, this. This is exactly what I'm hoping freed Eclipsa will be like. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jul 18, 2017 |
# ? Jul 18, 2017 01:18 |
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I figured the teleportation mace had an on-switch that only Toffee knew how to use. Interesting how Super Saiyan Star managed to mortally wound Toffee. I presume either Toffee was weakened from corrupting all the magic, or her spell overwhelmed his healing ability until it burnt out. Or maybe Moon's spell actually worked enough to disable it.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 03:09 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The most important info, though, was the news that the next episodes will begin airing... in November At least it's four months instead of five this time. Plus the cliffhanger isn't nearly as painful. Inescapable Duck posted:Interesting how Super Saiyan Star managed to mortally wound Toffee. I presume either Toffee was weakened from corrupting all the magic, or her spell overwhelmed his healing ability until it burnt out. Or maybe Moon's spell actually worked enough to disable it. I have a theory that healing yellow magic is directly opposed to the corrupted goo he became. He was basically a goo lich by the end, and as we all know healing magic is harmful to the undead. Remember, he had the opportunity to absorb Lekmet along with the others during the big battle, but he didn't. Killing another Butterfly would have worked into his plans nicely, so perhaps he left Lekmet alone because he couldn't afford to absorb his yellow magic.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 03:55 |
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Rewatching the movie yet again, this time in glorious HD, and I'm noticing a few things. 1: every time we see Queen Moon (with one exception in "Mr. Candle Cares"), she's wearing gloves that go up past her elbows. This would imply that the marks on her arms from casting the Darkest Spell the first time never went away. 2: in "Book Be Gone," I spotted this: 3: I can't believe Ariel is loving dead: 4: Cowsheep to go with the piggoats: 5: Unicorn kitties! 6: *Gasp* Triangle food! Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 08:34 |
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Motherfucker posted:
Not ture, turns out Toffee is extremely weak against both Joy blasts and getting crushed by pillars.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 08:46 |
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I'm happy that Ludo got the killing blow. Felt pretty good to see him swatting Toffee with that pillar.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 08:49 |
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BioEnchanted posted:I'm happy that Ludo got the killing blow. Felt pretty good to see him swatting Toffee with that pillar. "It turns out cha dead." Alan Tudyk is a treasure.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 09:02 |
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Nobody who likes candy can be that evil.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 11:16 |
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I think that everyone on-screen and many here are both overestimating how dead Toffee is and confusing his means and ends. The other monsters (Ludo in particular) want to conquer Mewni, and getting magic is a means to that end; I think Toffee doesn't care about anything temporal like ruling Mewni or even killing the Butterflies. He wants magic gone or corrupted and everything he's done was in service of that goal. Even with the flow of magic to Mewni restored, it's been significantly changed and while Glossaryck isn't dead, he's no longer present for at least the near-term. I think Toffee's dying words, that only he knows how this ends, will prove true in the long-term. (Also: what does Eclipsa crave? What is toffee? Hmmmmmm?)
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 12:06 |
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He's dead enough to fulfill the terms of a magical contract so that counts as pretty dead-dead. However, I think we all know how much that counts for in a fictional setting where magic is real. Narratively, I'd say it's better if Toffee stays dead, Lekmet too. Messing around with bringing people back from the dead often spoils any concept of stakes or jeopardy in a story. But whatever, the writing in this show has impressed me pretty consistently, and whatever direction they take things I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 13:27 |
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I have to say, when I started watching Star Vs I never would have guessed that Season 3 would open with a feature-length set of episodes culminating in the main villain getting his flesh blasted off and his still-animate skeleton crushed like the Terminator in the hydraulic press.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 14:30 |
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I still want to know what was up with the diamond and spade marks on Toffee's skull pauldrons in his Monster Rebellion days. I don't think Toffee is likely to have had any direct contact with Eclipsa, but given how much research he had to have put into the wand and the history of the Butterfly dynasty, it wouldn't surprise me if he figured out Moon made a deal with her, and factored Eclipsa's escape into some kind of contingency plan.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:10 |
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I just assumed they were trophies from other members of the Butterfly family. I seem to remember in Game of Flags that a few of Moon's relatives also had the cheek making thingies.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:28 |
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Skippy McPants posted:I just assumed they were trophies from other members of the Butterfly family. I seem to remember in Game of Flags that a few of Moon's relatives also had the cheek making thingies. They do, but they aren't repeated-thus far, every cheek mark has been unique to that individual. Because of that, it means that there was almost certainly a specific reason as to why Toffee chose those particular icons to decorate his armor. For Moon's diamonds, it makes sense-even before Toffee killed her mother, Moon was the heir to the Butterfly throne, and at the time her death would represent the death of that direct line of the Butterfly Dynasty. With Eclipsa's markings though, it gets tricky. It could have been that Toffee merely chose the well-known markings of an ancient Butterfly Queen, symbolizing how he was seeking to destroy the Butterfly legacy in addition to the current monarch. But even though we don't know a lot about Eclipsa, we do know she's infamous-meaning that it's unlikely Toffee would have merely picked her symbol at random. But because we know so little about Eclipsa, it's hard to guess why Toffee chose her symbol specifically. Hell, we know the modern Mewmans fear and loathe her, but we don't even know how the Monsters feel about her-after all, just because she ran off with a monster husband doesn't mean future monsters would feel any need to look up to her in any way. I imagine that once we actually get more details on why Eclipsa's history and why she was frozen, it'll probably become more clear as to why Toffee chose her symbol to paint on his armor. But until then, it's an interesting mystery to consider.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:53 |
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Moon and Buff Frog's board game does serve to illustrate that Mewmans and Monsters have spent centuries demonising each other, to the point where it takes them a bit to realise the other might not be inherently bad. Though Moon actually got along with Ludo's mother. Maybe it's classism at play there, at least they're monster nobility, not monster commoners. And we've seen how heavily class-segregated Mewni is. Toffee wasn't the mysterious business suited schemer in the flashback with Moon, though; he was pretty standard barbarian general, with the skulls all over the bloody place, breaking a treaty to take the opportunity to kill the most powerful enemy he has, and taken by surprise when the teenage daughter actually turns out to be competent at something. Presumably, over the couple of decades at least before he joined Ludo's gang, Toffee's been learning and changing. The Magic High Commission are basically gods without the g-word, complete with two of them being based on pagan deities (Lekmet and Heckapoo) so them being hard to permanently put down probably makes sense.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 18:28 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:Moon and Buff Frog's board game does serve to illustrate that Mewmans and Monsters have spent centuries demonising each other, to the point where it takes them a bit to realise the other might not be inherently bad. Though Moon actually got along with Ludo's mother. Maybe it's classism at play there, at least they're monster nobility, not monster commoners. And we've seen how heavily class-segregated Mewni is. There's also the fact that she didn't have to stay at the Avarius home. I feel like she didn't want to touch anything while she was there.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 18:42 |
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With the person who mentioned resurrecting characters could set a bad precedent and kill the stakes, I think the idea was done fairly well in Steven Universe - Steven can bring people and animals back to life in some limited form, but they come back not themselves - they tend to be bright pink with no mesurable pulse and no need to eat - basically magical zombies but with their minds intact.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 18:51 |
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BioEnchanted posted:With the person who mentioned resurrecting characters could set a bad precedent and kill the stakes, I think the idea was done fairly well in Steven Universe - Steven can bring people and animals back to life in some limited form, but they come back not themselves - they tend to be bright pink with no mesurable pulse and no need to eat - basically magical zombies but with their minds intact. Eh, the counterpoint is that in that example, it happened almost immediately, using an ability that was telegraphed earlier in the series (Though obviously not to that extent). More importantly, though, while I'm sure the writers could find a way to bring back Toffee in an interesting way, I doubt they will if only because it would go against one of the series' biggest hallmarks: when things change, they stay changed. While I'm sure we'll continue to see the effects of Toffee's plans, any revival of the lizard himself would be a major reversion to a prior status quo, a situation the writers have taken pretty great pains to avoid thus far.
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# ? Jul 18, 2017 19:58 |
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The whole implication of that scene seemed to be, one way or another, his regeneration has stopped working. Hell, his flesh is literally melting off his bones. If Toffee somehow survives that, it's going to be as something very different.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 06:23 |
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Toffee's new form (and entire storyline): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J8mkHUsiXY
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 07:34 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:The whole implication of that scene seemed to be, one way or another, his regeneration has stopped working. Hell, his flesh is literally melting off his bones. Yeah, I figure if he comes back again it'll be as some kind of hideous goo monster who can never resume his old shape thanks to all the damage he took. Or, as a twist, the protagonists have to find some way to resurrect him to reverse Moon's contract and refreeze Eclipsa. It doesn't feel like that'll be the case since Toffee isn't the sort of person who would accept a redemption arc, but I'm throwing out all the possibilities I can think of here. Speaking of, here's another thought I had: more flashback episodes. We get to find out more of Toffee's backstory and motivations, maybe learn how he found the information he used to cleave the wand and orchestrate Ludo's rise to power, and we get an excuse to see young Moon and River again.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 08:05 |
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Was Rasticore Chaosus Disastervane part of Toffee's army? One of those gators looked familiar.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 08:08 |
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Do this look like the face of pure evil? Anyone want an avatar?
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 10:35 |
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Regarding whether Toffee's going to come back, it's worth noting that several crew members haven't exactly been subtle about his current status.Inescapable Duck posted:Was Rasticore Chaosus Disastervane part of Toffee's army? One of those gators looked familiar. Yeah, it was him: I'm not gonna lie, he's one of my favorite background characters in the show. He's the epitome of someone's tryhard 'badass' RPG character that ends up rolling a 1 every time they try to do something cool and I love it Say Nothing posted:Do this look like the face of pure evil? This is great, though I decided to take a shot at removing the Ducktales logo and getting it under the size limit:
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 17:03 |
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The lizards probably are comfortable replacing parts of their body with implants and things because if it doesn't work out they can just pull it out and grow it back. Was funny in this show's particular way that Eclipsa, having been revived from stasis, is mostly just really hungry.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 17:14 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This is great, though I decided to take a shot at removing the Ducktales logo and getting it under the size limit: Yoink.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 17:25 |
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Since DXD has elected not to show the Battle for Mewni episodes in order, I guess I'm waiting on a streaming service eventually getting around to it.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 18:04 |
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If anyone else wants a specific av of something, let me know, I've way too much time to kill at the moment.Madurai posted:Since DXD has elected not to show the Battle for Mewni episodes in order, I guess I'm waiting on a streaming service eventually getting around to it. If you have cable, you should be able to watch it through WatchDisneyXD.
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# ? Jul 19, 2017 18:52 |
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Like I said, way too much time.
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# ? Jul 20, 2017 00:27 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If anyone else wants a specific av of something, let me know, I've way too much time to kill at the moment. Melted Toffee? Though I'm not sure what the flavor text would be
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# ? Jul 20, 2017 01:45 |
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DarklyDreaming posted:Melted Toffee? Though I'm not sure what the flavor text would be "At least he's not banana flavor." "What do you call a lizard with a sick rhyme? A rap-tile!" "Turns out ya dead!" "Welcome to Disney XD!"
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