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beejay posted:All of the stealth heroes have the same size shimmer in stealth. Also Valeera can't really burst you from 100-0. Also how is your team getting destroyed 5v4 before Valeera shows up. What would you do differently if like Greymane flanked and jumped on you? she can if you're pilot d.va 
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No Wave posted:No, I don't think they do, but I don't think even or bad win rates make something a fun mechanic. Stealth IS a fun mechanic. For the Stealther. For the person they are killing it's AT WORST an excuse as to why they were positioned awfully when they got murked. The days of Nova popping a caster's head in one shot like a melon are loooooong gone
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I think the shimmer should be removed because it's not consistent across all hardware, and can't be because of the engine being used.
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I once had a Valeera sit on me all game as Tyrande. I assume because he thought Tyrande is a healer. Little did he know I was by far the worst player on my team so while he wasted his time reducing my already negligible influence on the game my team would massacre the rest of his 4v4. This happened literally every single team fight the entire game and I was very proud of my contribution.
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Libertine posted:Sylvanas has incredible escape. Every time I die on her I've made at least three major mistakes. I'm really impressed by the Sylvanas's that disjoint Temporal Loop and Bone Prisons. But most people < diamond are pretty awful at using her escapes.
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Can we not have the stealth/shimmer debate again? Please and thank you.
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So is Chen really as boring as he seems? He's free this week so I've been playing around with him. Seems like you just spam the same keys over and over.
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veedubfreak posted:So is Chen really as boring as he seems? He's free this week so I've been playing around with him. Seems like you just spam the same keys over and over. Is there any hero in the entire game you can't reduce to that?
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Jul 18, 2017 20:13
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Had a game where the red team's Butcher finished his meat gathering at 6 minutes on the dot. It was not a good game for me.
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veedubfreak posted:So is Chen really as boring as he seems? He's free this week so I've been playing around with him. Seems like you just spam the same keys over and over. Did you not pick the barrel ult?
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Jul 18, 2017 20:26
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No Wave posted:And The Butcher is very high everywhere. The cool kids all call the Butcher bad though, so my programming is conflicted here. Hmm, yes, I wonder how that could be other than unreliability...
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Jul 18, 2017 20:40
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Is there a hero where I don't have to just press q, w, or e all the time?
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Turtlicious posted:I think the shimmer should be removed because it's not consistent across all hardware, and can't be because of the engine being used. Yeah, I thought it was just accepted that on different computers it looks different. The argument just gets muddied because once you can see the shimmer it's very hard to miss, so you'll see someone posting screenshots that 'prove' the shimmer is no different (or incredibly harder to spot) and folks who know how to spot it will see it easily, even though stuff like shadows do make it trickier, or higher rez textures make it easier. I do agree that over time it gets easier to recognize the shimmer and eventually unless you're really lagging a moving (and sometimes even idling) stealth character is completely unhidden. However, the fact graphics or UI settings (like camera lock) make such a difference for players really should be addressed. Either through tutorials to get players up to the "Yeah stealth just means creep won't AA them and I can't target them with non-skillshots," or otherwise reviewing how the mechanic actually works.
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Rufio posted:Is there a hero where I don't have to just press q, w, or e all the time? Vikings?
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Rufio posted:Is there a hero where I don't have to just press q, w, or e all the time? Raynor
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Why would they reveal Kel'thuzad at an event in China when they are afraid of ghosts
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Midnightghoul posted:Why would they reveal Kel'thuzad at an event in China when they are afraid of ghosts They're afraid of skeletons, baka. Your point stands, obviously.
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Jul 18, 2017 20:55
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It's gonna be junkrat isn't it What's the command for that smith emote holding the gun to his head
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Blackthorne or fuk u blozz
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Or Anduin with shadowform trait.
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Something strange is going on and the game is showing me as having most heroes now. I don't mind this, but it's confusing.
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Paranoid Peanut posted:Or Anduin with shadowform trait. Velen if they are doing this please, we need a draenei
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No Wave posted:It's gonna be junkrat isn't it Smithicide. 
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No Wave posted:It's gonna be junkrat isn't it It's :brrring
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Midnightghoul posted:Why would they reveal Kel'thuzad at an event in China when they are afraid of ghosts Kel'Thuzad was never censored in China iirc
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porfiria posted:Hmm, yes, I wonder how that could be other than unreliability... I'm really, really curious as to where you're going with this. Please, explain further.
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No Wave posted:However, to get an idea of how unreliable hots logs is, Cho allegedly has a 61.5% winrate at Masters and Gall allegedly has a 52% winrate. (I had no idea the site was that dire until now.) Not important at all, but hotslogs default filters out heroes less than level 5, so yeah the winrates are different if you have a lvl 5 cho with a lvl 4 gall. If you filter it by all levels, it evens out:  Except for whatever reason you can't filter to be hero level 1 games only, which would be a fun thing to do.
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He means that if any masters players are cho'galling with a non-masters buddy (which may happen enough to be significant given how small the sample size is) the masters on Cho winrate will be higher than the masters on Gall winrate. 10% still seems enormous but it's possible, especially given that across the whole sample set it evens out perfectly. I didn't think of that at all until that post. To confirm this, Diamond Galls have a 57% winrate and diamond chos have a 42% winrate, a more extreme opposite of the masters stat. There has to be a diamond/masters pair (or a few of them) spamming this guy in HL to move the needle this far. No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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That's actually a really good point. I learned today.
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I will boydcott this game if we do not get Kloctus or Berradine.
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Well that was a first. I just had someone in AI completely losing their mind because I picked ai-elite. Mind you, this idiot was not in a group with me. But somehow it was my fault that he was in an elite ai game.
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Bogart posted:I will boydcott this game if we do not get Kloctus or Berradine. loving Blizz STILL hasn't added Trigore Powersoul to the game
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Are the cloud mounts time limited like the surfboards presumably are? Want the sad or angry ones but don't quite have enough to make them just yet.
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The cloud mounts aren't limited, they're Diablo references. There'd be a riot if they disappeared when the Summer event ended.
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bamhand posted:I'm really impressed by the Sylvanas's that disjoint Temporal Loop and Bone Prisons. But most people < diamond are pretty awful at using her escapes. Its not that hard you just press 1 to activate unstoppable
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How could it be that for the last x pages of stealth chat nobody used the name of that big impact hero we all know and love, that's right folks, "Samuro" Watching the hgc supposedly the ""pros"" pick loser characters like medivh and li ming and tychus and muradin makes me wonder how good they could actually be if they played winner characters like Butcher and Rexxar
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veedubfreak posted:Well that was a first. I just had someone in AI completely losing their mind because I picked ai-elite. Mind you, this idiot was not in a group with me. But somehow it was my fault that he was in an elite ai game. It still wouldn't be your fault, but I think sometimes the matchmaking for bots just goes "gently caress it, I dunno" and smushes together mixed groups and sets a matching number of bots to the chosen difficulties. Dude could've literally queued for beginner only to end up dealing with elites.
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John Murdoch posted:It still wouldn't be your fault, but I think sometimes the matchmaking for bots just goes "gently caress it, I dunno" and smushes together mixed groups and sets a matching number of bots to the chosen difficulties. Dude could've literally queued for beginner only to end up dealing with elites. I wondered if that was possible. But I just found it funny that he was completely losing his poo poo because he had to actually play against AI that knows how to play back.
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