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qirex
Feb 15, 2001

raminasi posted:

I got ghosted after an onsite once

I think a lot of those are when you're a "maybe" or a second pick and if they go another direction everyone immediately drops all thought of you forever

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Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



raminasi posted:

I got ghosted after an onsite once

same

then their recruiter contacted me again a year later lol

huhu
Feb 24, 2006
I had a recruiter set me up with an interview with a local startup's CEO. He rescheduled on me once through the recruiter. For our second time, he texted me 15 minutes before the interview trying to reschedule again.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
worse to assign/do hw as a senior imho

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

a recruiter set me up with an interview with pharma company with 3 names that apparently wants to pay me $80,000 a year to fix broken java, but it's something to do with machine learning? help

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Luigi Thirty posted:

a recruiter set me up with an interview with pharma company with 3 names that apparently wants to pay me $80,000 a year to fix broken java, but it's something to do with machine learning? help

ask for 150

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


qirex posted:

ask for 150

You were wrong when you said anything other than "move on"

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

also it's a few blocks from my last job so I can flip off their building as i drive by

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Employers claiming they are paying market average when they are clearly not can only be one of two things: 1) oblivious/stubborn to the actual market :redflag:, or 2) think employees/candidates are stupid as hell :redflag:

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

qhat posted:

IMO that's super unprofessional and sounds like an outlier. My opinion is that the second the company speaks to you on the phone to say they're interested, they should have the courtesy to tell you when they're not interested and in good time.

I remember one time I had an in-person interview scheduled with a company and they then canceled it saying their office was going to be having some renovation done the day it had been scheduled, and specifically told me they'd call me back next week to reschedule. This was after two phone interviews - one with someone in their HR department and then one with their local guy - that both went really well in my opinion.

I called them back after the week had come and gone and the HR person I'd been talking to sounded really embarrassed when she told me they'd already interviewed and gone with someone else. I counted myself lucky at the time I hadn't gotten caught in that kind of shithole, although I wound up getting into a way crazier shithole a few months after that. oh well

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.
I once had a flight scheduled for an onsite then two days before the interview they told me they were shuttering the division.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
just looked up in my old emails, the company's name was Ethology. they've since been bought by Tallwave.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy

leper khan posted:

I once had a flight scheduled for an onsite then two days before the interview they told me they were shuttering the division.

a few years back I was runner up for a position and within a year the whole team had been fired or reassigned

good thing I didn't give up my fed job for 25k I would have gotten anyway

minivanmegafun
Jul 27, 2004

I had an onsite scheduled and then the company's website went down. they cancelled on me to fix it (it was a devops position but lmao)

i still went to the follow-up, only to get a better offer and turn them down, they still insisted on me calling them back after a month into my new job and turning them down again in case I didn't like the gig I took.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

qirex posted:

ask for 150

from what i've figured out it's not actually doing machine learning, it's fixing their web app when it breaks. i assume the machine learning thing is their pos chatbot.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

qhat posted:

Employers claiming they are paying market average when they are clearly not can only be one of two things: 1) oblivious/stubborn to the actual market :redflag:, or 2) think employees/candidates are stupid as hell :redflag:

almost everyone is in bucket #1, but some employers fall into both buckets

labor markets are inefficient :smith:

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

almost everyone is in bucket #1, but some employers fall into both buckets

labor markets are inefficient :smith:

Ya, but if they aren't offering competitive wages because of #1 then they'll probably be hesitant to start because they would have to increase the wages of their current staff, who have probably had to deal with lovely pay rises for years.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

it's kind of funny when you actually have a super in demand market like those self-driving car people at google who got retention bonuses so huge they retired

this only works if it's a brand new thing and you need it like now

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Got a call from a recruiter today, told him before the call "only if you have jobs that fit my resume". What do you know, he rung me and turns out he had nothing even remotely appropriate. Lol.

curufinor
Apr 4, 2016

by Smythe
The one upmanship about ghosting is going to end when someone shows up having been ghosted with an offer in hand

That someone's going to show up, i know it to be true

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Having to explain your work experience to some recruiter on the phone seems like an utter waste of time. 95% of the time they have no idea what you're talking about.

me: I wrote a unified interface to abstract away different database APIs so database access is standardised across the codebase

idiot recruiter: oh, so like you wrote a website?

gently caress you

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

curufinor posted:

The one upmanship about ghosting is going to end when someone shows up having been ghosted with an offer in hand

That someone's going to show up, i know it to be true

I had a job at this company, showed up for the first day and had a great time then when I came back the next day the whole building was gone

when I asked someone at the coffee shop across the street about it a crusty old man said "them? they ain't existed since ought-one, lot's been vacant ever since the ceo burned the building down during an all-hands" :spooky:

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

curufinor posted:

The one upmanship about ghosting is going to end when someone shows up having been ghosted with an offer in hand

That someone's going to show up, i know it to be true

happened to a friend of mine

they came to a deal on salary at the in-person. recruiter told him he'd get a written offer on monday. they never picked up the phone again.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Notorious b.s.d. posted:

happened to a friend of mine

they came to a deal on salary at the in-person. recruiter told him he'd get a written offer on monday. they never picked up the phone again.

rofl what the gently caress

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

curufinor posted:

The one upmanship about ghosting is going to end when someone shows up having been ghosted with an offer in hand

That someone's going to show up, i know it to be true

I got an offer, tried to negotiate, got no compromise, negotiated again, 10AM a few days later they say no to negotiation and no to the offer. 11AM I write a you guys suck email. 11:30am get a voicemail. Start listening, it's the hiring manager apologizing. Manage to get another voicemail while listening to that, with a better offer than I originally requested. I've been job searching for a year now and I'm like screw it and accept. Three months later I got laid off because they ran out of work for me to do.

Good times.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


huhu posted:

I got an offer, tried to negotiate, got no compromise, negotiated again, 10AM a few days later they say no to negotiation and no to the offer. 11AM I write a you guys suck email. 11:30am get a voicemail. Start listening, it's the hiring manager apologizing. Manage to get another voicemail while listening to that, with a better offer than I originally requested. I've been job searching for a year now and I'm like screw it and accept. Three months later I got laid off because they ran out of work for me to do.

Good times.

edit nvm america lol

qhat fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jul 19, 2017

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
I had a lot of "we pay competitive salaries" and then when I told them a ballpark for total comp silence on the other end of the phone.

it turns out that stock grants significantly bump up your total compensation and companies that don't give that or are pre-IPO are just not competitive in any way.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Munkeymon posted:

same

then their recruiter contacted me again a year later lol

same except 2 onsites :sigh:

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
i'm trying to decide how huge of a raise to ask for at the end of the year, what's ten years of .net (1 in fintech) in new york worth

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

The Management posted:

I had a lot of "we pay competitive salaries" and then when I told them a ballpark for total comp silence on the other end of the phone.

it turns out that stock grants significantly bump up your total compensation and companies that don't give that or are pre-IPO are just not competitive in any way.
what companies deem "competitive" when you're at the principal/architect level is so wildly varying between companies there should be another level or two in there after senior to nail down what they actually mean / expect

like yeah I can overhaul your entire continuous integration environment and stick your lovely legacy app in the cloud but i'm not gonna do it for 100k, you want me to lead a project like that including budgeting and powerpoint updates and reporting to a svp please open your wallet

Bhodi fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jul 19, 2017

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
product manager gigs are the same, can be anything from a specialist in the marketing team to running a department with a p&l etc. gotta try to get a salary range up front or a really good JD to see how they value the role. decent recruiters understand this, the rest look up "Product Manager" on glassdoor or whatever and thats their price anchor.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

curufinor posted:

The one upmanship about ghosting is going to end when someone shows up having been ghosted with an offer in hand

That someone's going to show up, i know it to be true

my company managed to hire someone who ghosted us on his first day. then a couple years later we hired the same guy again only for him to do the same exact thing.

never did quite figure out how he managed to pull that one off, but I have to admit I'm a little impressed.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless
Work: "Uh, gee, I dunno man... I mean, after last time—"
Dr. Weird Voice: "THIS TIME SHALL BE DIFFERENT!"

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

TerminalRaptor posted:

my company managed to hire someone who ghosted us on his first day. then a couple years later we hired the same guy again only for him to do the same exact thing.

never did quite figure out how he managed to pull that one off, but I have to admit I'm a little impressed.

that man is a hero

JewKiller 3000
Nov 28, 2006

by Lowtax
at my company we made an offer to a guy and he asked for some more time to consider it. the ceo was like "no, i've seen this before, he's trying to use our offer to get a better one from another company. it's now or never" so the guy chose now and accepted our offer. after eating up 3 weeks of training time, he got a better offer from whatever other company it was, and peaced out with no notice. ceo sure was pissed lol!

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
a friend said his company hired a guy who did the same thing after the first week. After a little digging they discovered this guy had been going to interviews, getting onboarded and then just not showing up (or taking an instant vacation if it was a block grant rather than hourly accrual). He apparently spent the last two years going from company to company like that and collecting paychecks from the termination lag, sometimes collecting multiple paychecks at once, until one company finally hunted him down and took him to court for fraud

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Bhodi posted:

a friend said his company hired a guy who did the same thing after the first week. After a little digging they discovered this guy had been going to interviews, getting onboarded and then just not showing up (or taking an instant vacation if it was a block grant rather than hourly accrual). He apparently spent the last two years going from company to company like that and collecting paychecks from the termination lag, sometimes collecting multiple paychecks at once, until one company finally hunted him down and took him to court for fraud
a true american hero :patriot:

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Bhodi posted:

a friend said his company hired a guy who did the same thing after the first week. After a little digging they discovered this guy had been going to interviews, getting onboarded and then just not showing up (or taking an instant vacation if it was a block grant rather than hourly accrual). He apparently spent the last two years going from company to company like that and collecting paychecks from the termination lag, sometimes collecting multiple paychecks at once, until one company finally hunted him down and took him to court for fraud


FMguru posted:

a true american hero :patriot:

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
we had a guy on our org chart for years who was finishing some higher education and kept bumping back his start date, but there was no guarantee to get the req back if they told him off so v:shobon:v

JawnV6 fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jul 19, 2017

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Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
A guy was hired along with me but ghosted on our start date.

Turns out he was in jail on a DUI (which, here in Wisconsin, is quite an achievement).

:cop:

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