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Not sure if this was brought up but from earlier today: https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/887335851528728576  It's like ... the gently caress? The polling was all done 3-6 days after Jr released the emails himself.
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Peven Stan posted:Stories like this remind me of my bosnian coworker who says living in america right now is just like living in yugoslavia right before the collapse. On the surface, people are all on the same team but in reality there are huge fissures that are just waiting to blow. That's srt of terrifying, can we not be the next Yugoslavia please?
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The Glumslinger posted:Honestly, the person in this whole thing that makes me the saddest is Alex Jones. He gets delivered a conspiracy theorists dream, like an actual scandal about heads of nations having secretive and private schemes, but he can't even loving jump on it. Like this should be the culmination of his decades of BS about an NWO or global elite conspiring, but nooooo. He jumped on the Trump horse and now has to pretend that everything is normal and that our president isn't doing insanely shady and illegal stuff. As I've said before: Alex Jones and co don't actually hate the idea of FEMA camps, the NWO, and other such poo poo. They only hate the idea of those things happening when it's not their side doing it.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:28
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:That's srt of terrifying, can we not be the next Yugoslavia please? Yugoslavia was riven by ethnic divides exploited by shithead leaders. We should be fine.
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Evil Fluffy posted:As I've said before: Alex Jones and co don't actually hate the idea of FEMA camps, the NWO, and other such poo poo. They only hate the idea of those things happening when it's not their side doing it. also reminder that I believe it was a ... joke around AJ's staff? that they're not entirely sure if he might have possibly voted for Obama to keep the train running. Wanna see if I can track down that quote
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Evil Fluffy posted:As I've said before: Alex Jones and co don't actually hate the idea of FEMA camps, the NWO, and other such poo poo. They only hate the idea of those things happening when it's not their side doing it. Projection as a political strategy. That's pretty much the American right in a nutshell. They know that they're real ideas are unpopular so they try and claim that the opposition is doing it.
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/887423320345497600 So the piss tape runs for at least 40 minutes. Good to know.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:31
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BiggerBoat posted:But wouldn't a Medicare buy in or a public option save rich business owners more money than the tax cuts? Seems to me, even with a tax increase to cover more people, the economics would be a wash for them at least. I think the prevailing sentiment with these folks is "money good" over "1. Government bad" and I can't see how they'd lose money on real UHC. Maybe the super super wealthy but not the 6 figure types who mostly vote GOP. Plenty of things would make life significantly better for Republican voters that they are against. That's the core of it. While the "job desperation" thing might be part of it, the biggest reason is Government BAD.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:32
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No Safe Word posted:Not sure if this was brought up but from earlier today: White identity politics is a hell of a thing.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:33
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No Safe Word posted:Not sure if this was brought up but from earlier today: Proof being a Trump voter should bar you from any job that requires a 10 or higher IQ. Hell, being a Trump voter should be recognized as symptom of mental illness.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:36
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No Safe Word posted:Not sure if this was brought up but from earlier today: See, what you're discovering here, is that there is a nontrivial fraction of the American public who has no idea what is going on at any given time. They haven't been watching the news. Even Fox News. They have no idea what the gently caress has been happening since January 20, and in many cases they believe Obamacare has already been repealed and the result has taken effect, because there is no possible way for them to be exposed to any other alternative view.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:41
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Steve Bannon has the look of a science fiction author who died drunk on a houseboat.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:45
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Peven Stan posted:Stories like this remind me of my bosnian coworker who says living in america right now is just like living in yugoslavia right before the collapse. On the surface, people are all on the same team but in reality there are huge fissures that are just waiting to blow. On the surface, we don't even appear to be on the same team.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:46
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No Safe Word posted:Not sure if this was brought up but from earlier today: I wouldn't take it at face value. Most normal people don't pay attention to politics in between elections. So a lot of those people are going off vague memories of snippets of news they overheard while ordering their lunch or flat gut feeling. Add in that people are less likely to accept evidence of things that contradict what they want to believe, and 45% is actually rather encouraging. Also there's no way only 24% don't know, that's just the honest ones.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Yugoslavia was riven by ethnic divides exploited by shithead leaders. We're not going to be Yugoslavia, but, uh, this is not the thing I would say to try and prove that
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Jul 18, 2017 23:46
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No Safe Word posted:It's like ... the gently caress? The polling was all done 3-6 days after Jr released the emails himself. https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/887336185202343936
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Jul 18, 2017 23:48
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Jul 18, 2017 23:48
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Covok posted:I long for the day Trump does a rally and the only people who show up are protesters. Are these diehard Donnie dicksuckers showing up to these rallies jobless? Like it's like they're those crazy sports/music superfans that follow the team/band around and live in a car just outside the (last)event. Also how are the events organized? The Secret Service must be running ragged trying to make sure these events are safe.(also how much Secret Service money is been dumping into Donnie's hole?)
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Jul 18, 2017 23:51
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Isn't that bad?
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Jul 18, 2017 23:53
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Blitz7x posted:Isn't that bad? I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't it amount to Mueller saying, "they are of no use/interest to me, you can have them"?
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Jul 18, 2017 23:54
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Blitz7x posted:Isn't that bad? It's gonna be so good.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:54
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They don't care as long as they win. This isn't new. And they will take help from anywhere.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:55
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Or it means "whatever they said in their sworn testimony is all I need".
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Jul 18, 2017 23:55
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Read the article you goonsquote:Donald Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort have been cleared by special counsel Robert Mueller to testify in an open session before the Senate Judiciary Committee about their June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower with a Russian attorney, according to the committee's ranking member Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. Presumably it means that they are not holding confidential information, and a public testimony seems to be in Muller's favor.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:56
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Jives with that consistent ~85% of Trump voters that always looooooove him like no other. Highest of all time, even over Reagan, if that gives you an idea of how he will be viewed historically.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:56
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Blitz7x posted:Isn't that bad? No. It means they have all they need.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:56
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Blitz7x posted:Isn't that bad? Phrasing. They aren't cleared of charges, Mueller has just told the Senate that his investigation would not prevent them from testifying in front of Congress.
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Jul 18, 2017 23:57
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What percent of respondents in those surveys identified as Trump voters?
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trickybiscuits posted:Interesting article from the New Yorker: How Trump Is Transforming Rural America. It seems like a lot of the research was done before July but I don't imagine people's opinions have changed htat much since then. Yeah there was a bizarre article that got posted right after the election from some rando dude who writes witch fiction but it was fantastic. Basically his whole thing broke down to Trump has this weird ability to take criticism and project it onto his followers as criticism onto them. Like everyone in the world is making fun of Trump's ridiculous combover, but somehow that resonates with his supporters. Trump lies about how much money he has and people reject him for that, but to his followers it's a plus. The more the "elites" rejected trump, the more his followers loved him. It was spot on as poo poo
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I think it just means that no matter what they say, they're already so unadulteratedly hosed so why not let them testify. Hell, they could probably get them on some perjury charges or something as a victory lap. ...hopefully  I know that the congressional testimony is just gonna be Grassley and Burr being like "so let's talk about how hosed up the dems and hillary are for six hours" but still
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Spiritus Nox posted:We're not going to be Yugoslavia, but, uh, this is not the thing I would say to try and prove that 
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Rep. Adam Smith (WA) would visit my dad's high school AP Civics class every year up until my dad passed away. He then passed a resolution in the House honoring him. Thanks Adam 
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah there was a bizarre article that got posted right after the election from some rando dude who writes witch fiction but it was fantastic. And because he's an obese, racist, sexist moron. Just like they are.
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Jul 19, 2017 00:03
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Trump Jr gonna gently caress it up and admit to something worse. "That wasn't the meeting that we discussed payment." Or some such.
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Jul 19, 2017 00:03
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah there was a bizarre article that got posted right after the election from some rando dude who writes witch fiction but it was fantastic. imo americans have always liked to piss on each other despite our nationalist tendencies but it's getting real Real now that the long midcentury prosperity boom is over and rural/exurban white folks are back to being at the bottom of the poo poo pile instead of held up as norman rockwell exemplars of true america
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Jul 19, 2017 00:05
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Blitz7x posted:Isn't that bad? it means they get to perjure themselves publicly there is zero chance don jr at least doesn't lie under oath
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even peeling 16% of his base is significant, and that will grow once it's actually proven publicly he has and is still committing felonies edit also lol https://twitter.com/mollyesque/status/887427143675912192
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:What percent of respondents in those surveys identified as Trump voters? quote:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_71817.pdf:
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trickybiscuits posted:Interesting article from the New Yorker: How Trump Is Transforming Rural America. It seems like a lot of the research was done before July but I don't imagine people's opinions have changed htat much since then. This is a wild ride right here. quote:Donald Trump lost those two counties by two hundred and seventy-three thousand votes, and he won the rest of the state by a hundred and forty thousand votes,” Steve House, the former chair of the state Republican Party, told me. “That means that most of Colorado, in my mind, is a conservative state. 
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/887449114950217729 How paid-off is Huntsman? I'm going with "probably very"
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