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Florida is 3 essays in the morning and 100 MC in the afternoon. Essays are standard issue spotters and cover multiple facets of law. You get points for right answers, but nothing reduced for incorrect things. The essays and MC are giving equal weighting to determine your final score for florida. It is entirely possible to "fail" on the essays and still pass because of the MC and vise versa.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Florida is 3 essays in the morning and 100 MC in the afternoon. Essays are standard issue spotters and cover multiple facets of law. You get points for right answers, but nothing reduced for incorrect things. The essays and MC are giving equal weighting to determine your final score for florida. It is entirely possible to "fail" on the essays and still pass because of the MC and vise versa. Is that the entire Florida bar exam? Oh it's two days of it
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Jul 17, 2017 21:56
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Look Sir Droids posted:Tennessee here. You only find out anything about your bar score if you failed, but I think it's the same here. Just make sure to use consistent terminology within your answer. Concepts are more important than specific magic words except for things that are very specific (like piercing the corporate veil or something, maybe). Jesus the Dark Lord and I took the TN bar at the same time. 2-day exam. Day 1 is MBE, day 2 is 12 essay questions over 2 3-hour sessions. The first essay question was a giant multipart tort question that took me about 45 minutes to finish, and made me worry that I was going to run out of time. I actually rushed the last morning question to make sure that I finished early enough to get a longer lunch. There was also a Tennessee-specific question about how to appeal a court decision that I knew absolutely nothing about, so that one was hot garbage. I passed.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:03
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TheMadMilkman posted:Jesus the Dark Lord and I took the TN bar at the same time. 2-day exam. Day 1 is MBE, day 2 is 12 essay questions over 2 3-hour sessions. Fun anecdote based on your story. I have a friend who's taking the South Dakota Bar that is EXACTLY the same as the UBE except for the addition of an Indian law question on every essay section, which, as far as he can tell, you don't even need to independently pass in order to pass the test in general. Iowa is boring old UBE, which is good for me I guess, but requires I learn a bunch of crap law that isn't relevant to Iowa in the least. Especially in torts.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:11
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It should also be noted that the Texas bar essays only have 3 or so curveballs that they deploy occasionally and they're all easy: 1) Bankruptcy. A bunch of last year's takers got butthurt because of a bankruptcy tie-in question. You had to know that an automatic stay is a thing that exists. 2) Illegal for a for-profit corporation to both slaughter cattle and process it, so that's an ultra vires activity by definition. It's an obscure rule but it's in the TBOC. 3) does this court have personal jurisdiction y/n So Texas might be more amenable to memorizing specific answers than other states.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:33
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I was in a restroom where Jeff Sessions walked in but did not have the presence of mind to ask for his birth gender.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:36
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yronic heroism posted:I was in a restroom where Jeff Sessions walked in but did not have the presence of mind to ask for his birth gender. Shame.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:40
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Here's the biggest thing I learned being a lawyer versus being a law student. They teach law students to look for the nebulous factors that can be determinative in a case. Lawyers go "How can this poo poo gently caress up and how can I prevent myself from looking stupid?" I never took one single family law class. Not one. And that's what I do for a living. loving hell.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:43
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CaptainScraps posted:Here's the biggest thing I learned being a lawyer versus being a law student. In law school I was taught how to give the answer someone wanted me to give. In the practice of law, I learned I had to find and present whatever information it would take to accomplish my goal. There was definitely some carryover in terms of element analysis, case law, but one is "run this rat maze" and the other is "Saving Private Ryan Normandy Beach Scene."
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Jul 17, 2017 22:47
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EwokEntourage posted:Is that the entire Florida bar exam? Day two is MBE.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:52
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I never took the bar, yet my staff call me attorney.
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Jul 18, 2017 00:09
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Tipps posted:I live in a nice new apartment building because the previous one burned to the ground. It's much bigger and better equipped than my old lovely Vancouver studio (in-suite laundry! Dishwasher! A full-size indoor storage room!). It's also government owned and subsidized and rent is deducted form my salary so I don't need to deal with a lovely landlord. Serfdom has its perks. PPSC or legal aid?
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Jul 18, 2017 00:23
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nm posted:Shame. Some of my friends let me know I should have pissed on his leg, but I guess I'm too much of an incrementalist.
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terrorist ambulance posted:PPSC or legal aid? Territorial government. I wouldn't touch PPSC up here with a 10 foot pole. They are amazing people, but with the types of cases they get here on a regular basis, I'm surprised they don't just spend every waking hour of their day screaming in horror. Example: the sexual assault case where the guy violently fisted a random passed out woman in the rear end so hard that he tore through it into her vagina and she nearly bled to death. (at para 4  )
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Jul 18, 2017 02:35
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The north rules and everyone should try it
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Jul 18, 2017 02:42
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"it" being the north, and not assaultive anal fisting
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Jul 18, 2017 02:44
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See also: violent assault by multiple people involving a youth raping the victim with a broken broomstick - http://canlii.ca/t/fpw12
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Jul 18, 2017 02:52
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The above cases are good examples of why I work in finance law.
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Jul 18, 2017 03:38
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To be fair, only like half the criminal cases in NWT/Nunavut are like that. The rest are standard bootlegging, drug trafficking, or decades-old sexual assault cases with grabby priests in old residential schools. But then you get the case where a young offender, bored one summer night, sees a bottle of booze through the window of a ground floor apartment. So naturally he breaks in to steal it, finds a woman sleeping in bed with her infant child, and decides "when in Rome" and rapes her at snow-knife/machete-point while the infant is a foot away in the same bed. My humdrum practice of constitutional and labour/employment law pales in comparison to the types of cases prosecutors get up here.
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Jul 18, 2017 13:37
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TheMadMilkman posted:Jesus the Dark Lord and I took the TN bar at the same time. 2-day exam. Day 1 is MBE, day 2 is 12 essay questions over 2 3-hour sessions. There were two questions from my home county and they were both factually impossible because the examiners just filled in the blanks with Tennessee city names I guess. One was a dram shop case in the downtown Sevierville (which is/was a dry city) and the other was some hotel in Gatlinburg doing excavation and the damaged parties were not remotely adjacent. I mentioned it in my answers although I doubt the grader cared.
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Jul 18, 2017 16:36
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Job search update: I looked up one of the firms I have an interview with and found someone who went to the same school as me and graduated in 2016, and I sent a quick email (as one does?) trying to find something in common and also asking for any interview tips. In hindsight this email was a little too terse and poorly worded, because today I got an email from Career services at the school basically telling me to stop being an creepy anti-semitic pervert and harrassing the alumni. This is the first cold email I've ever sent.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:19
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You have to post the email.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:52
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Post the email you got from career services too.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:55
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Throatwarbler posted:Job search update: I looked up one of the firms I have an interview with and found someone who went to the same school as me and graduated in 2016, and I sent a quick email (as one does?) trying to find something in common and also asking for any interview tips. In hindsight this email was a little too terse and poorly worded, because today I got an email from Career services at the school basically telling me to stop being an creepy anti-semitic pervert and harrassing the alumni. In St Louis folks. WTF? I would have thought anti-Semite might be a "pro" there.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:56
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It's not in St. Louis and the recipient is Jewish. The email was literally just 3 sentences, so it's impressive that I was able to convey so much in so few words. Basically I added a P.S. at the end that was something to the effect of "Hey, are you Jewish, because <mildly interesting anecdote that may establish a connection but more importantly would explain why I am even asking>?", but upon revision I decided it was too verbose and deleted the 2nd part, so now it just reads like "Hey, are you Jewish?   ".
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Jul 19, 2017 07:45
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Why the gently caress would you ever ask anyone if they were Jewish in a professional context? Even in 1970s Detroit, they didn't ask my dad if he was Jewish despite having a mildly Jewish surname, so he just got hired by a Jewish law firm and rejected by all the gentile ones. Joke was on everyone because he was a lapsed Catholic instead. They found out when he shows up to work on Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah or something and wanted him to join all the clubs they couldn't get into. The clubs rejected him because he had a kind of jewish name and worked for the jewish lawfirm. This was only 30 something years ago, so maybe there is a reason lawyers are a little weird about being cold asked if they're jewish. If this was a "we're in the same culture/religion" thing, you're supposed to wink wink, nudge nudge that poo poo.
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Jul 19, 2017 07:50
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I'm not white and I have no problem when white people in western countries ask me about my particular flavor of not-whiteness. None of my other not-white friends have ever found this to be an issue. Here in the UAE it's just regular small talk, I've chatted with 3 or 4 different Sri Lankans in the last 2 weeks and the first thing I always ask is "Singhalese or Tamil" although it's usually not hard to tell anyway and everyone is happy to talk about their culture and educate each other. I thought I was being overly cautious by asking first, because I obvoiously already knew the answer but wanted to elminitate the possibility that this was a person with a very Jewish last name who also lists Hebrew in their Linkedin profile but who turns out isn't Jewish?
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Throatwarbler posted:I thought I was being overly cautious by asking first, because I obvoiously already knew the answer but wanted to elminitate the possibility that this was a person with a very Jewish last name who also lists Hebrew in their Linkedin profile but who turns out isn't Jewish? I'm pretty sure the only people in the US who ask people if they're jewish wear white hoods or swastikas. nm fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 08:16
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I spent a lot of time replacing (i) and (ii) with (a) and (b) today, and this time was billed at an exorbitant rate. I got home at 9 PM. Law school.
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nm posted:Again, why does it matter? I literally cannot fathom why it matters that some junior at some law firm is jewish, catholic, muslim, or worships loving baal. I was trying to find something neat or fun outside of "you work here" to talk about in an effort to be personable. But yes I agree it came off like it "mattered" to me personally whether the other person was Jewish or not. It's not quite as absurd as that because my comment wasn't actually "Are you Jewish?", but "Are you a member of <a fairly specific Jewish community>", but yeah I get it, never mention this ever again to anyone. I was probably never going to get the job anyway.  EDIT: Should I send another email apologizing and explaining that I'm not a literal Nazi?
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Jul 19, 2017 08:40
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Post the email, post the email, post the email *bangs tin cup on table along with chant*
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Jul 19, 2017 11:05
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Look, throat guy - you're trying to thread the needle of American race and religion. It's tough, and you weren't raised here. We get it. If you post the emails, we can help guide you with what to do next.
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Jul 19, 2017 11:54
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terrorist ambulance posted:Post the email, post the email, post the email *bangs tin cup on table along with chant* *joins*
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Jul 19, 2017 12:12
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Lol at the vaguely Arab brown dude in the UAE writing a lawyer out of nowhere and feeling out if he's a Jew Did you ask it like that? "Just curious: are you a Jew? Because your name is pretty jewy."
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Jul 19, 2017 12:23
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It's okay man, I've done the same thing. Except that I am a Jew with a very Jewy name and I only ask people that I know are definitely Jewish and know what shul they go to.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:09
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Basically never drop a hard J.
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Jul 19, 2017 13:37
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Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: Hey, are you Jewish?
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Jul 19, 2017 14:15
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Lol at the vaguely Arab brown dude in the UAE writing a lawyer out of nowhere and feeling out if he's a Jew Maybe he can try to say English isn't his first language and that bla bla. I do think he definitely shouldn't leave his family vacation to try to get a job because hoo boy throat, you should definitely follow up and say that while you're not anti semitic you belong to an online group that is anti Zionist and maybe you can chat about that over coffee
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Jul 19, 2017 14:40
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Great, now Career Services has to update the PowerPoint for 1Ls. "NO ANTI-SEMITISM"
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terrorist ambulance posted:Post the email, post the email, post the email *bangs tin cup on table along with chant* *chant intensifies; the guards join in*
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