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Sir Lemming posted:Another new song, "This Isn't The Place" Ah poo poo well that's great
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I like this much more than the last song. More of this please.
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Jul 18, 2017 17:49
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I think that's the first time I've seen 2160p as a quality option on a YouTube video. Kinda hilarious that it's on a video with so little going on.
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Jul 18, 2017 17:54
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Mierenneuker posted:I think that's the first time I've seen 2160p as a quality option on a YouTube video. Kinda hilarious that it's on a video with so little going on.  TV show uploaders have apparently been uploading 2160p rips of TV shows recently. It's pretty nuts and I can only imagine how immense the file sizes must be.
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Jul 18, 2017 17:59
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Also I'm not sure why people are so quick to assume there's going to be a direct Trump analogue if this turns out to be more YZ stuff. The "Capital G" thing was definitely a callout, but the whole album and storyline were a general "here is a video-game-style depiction of America if the bad guys take over." It was definitely inspired heavily by world events of the time, and especially by the Bush-era administration, but I don't think Bush himself was the intended target of the whole album. I'd imagine if this is more YZ-type stuff we'll probably see themes of xenophobia, racism, police action, that sort of thing, but I doubt we'll see a direct analogue of Drumpf make an appearance. I think anybody reading too far into Trent's personal politics and such are seeing things that aren't there. The guy is obviously pretty left-leaning, but the political poo poo has never been super overt. YZ was less "here is the NIN political album" and more a product of the times, IMO. The whole ARG and backstory behind YZ made it feel much more like a Judge Dredd/Blade Runner/whatever "bleak future" setting, with a bit of politics thrown in because it was appropriate at the time. e: I'm not trying to poo poo on anybody who feels otherwise, I just don't really see it and personally I don't want to try to shoehorn politics into my musical opinions unless it's like a Ted Nugent or Skrewdriver-type thing Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 18:04
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Which proved to be a smart decision, because look how much more relevant YZ feels 10 years later. Certainly there's a place for direct call-outs but I'm also glad there are artists taking a different approach.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:08
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glam rock hamhock posted:It always amazes me how much the worst iTunes is and always has been. For a company that pretends to be all about making slick, easy to use things you'd think they'd at least try and make iTunes not the worst music manager that every existed. They don't actually want you to manage and curate your own music collection, at this point they mostly just want you to buy into their streaming service. I feel like such an old these days when I run into kids who basically just use Spotify or whatever and never really buy songs, let alone albums. Mind you I don't think I've bought an album in a physical format since like 2010.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:15
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I've got 34 different NIN wallpapers rotating through my desktop, mostly the Ghosts promo images and such, some stuff from With Teeth and a couple randoms, but the YZ stuff is my absolute favorite. Obviously there's some heavy political imagery with the US flag and the church tower and such, but the images really capture the whole "bleak future" theme of the album, and they're a pretty good visual analogue for the music on the album, IMO:   
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Jul 18, 2017 18:23
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Entropic posted:They don't actually want you to manage and curate your own music collection, at this point they mostly just want you to buy into their streaming service. and yet Vinyl sales are at an all time high
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Jul 18, 2017 18:30
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Call Me Charlie posted:Less Than seems like TR lashing out at the people that voted for Trump. What Hillary might have done if she won literally does not matter because she didn't. Let's see what the Donald is up to. I'm sure he's doing great with... Oh... Oh god... http://www.newsweek.com/president-trumps-isis-war-course-double-obamas-civilian-deaths-637538
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Jul 18, 2017 18:52
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The new track is very cool. Kelp Me! posted:Also I'm not sure why people are so quick to assume there's going to be a direct Trump analogue if this turns out to be more YZ stuff. The "Capital G" thing was definitely a callout, but the whole album and storyline were a general "here is a video-game-style depiction of America if the bad guys take over." It was definitely inspired heavily by world events of the time, and especially by the Bush-era administration, but I don't think Bush himself was the intended target of the whole album. ... He literally wrote The Hand That Feeds about Bush, followed it up with an entire album that was heavily influenced by Bush (despite his attempt to reach beyond himself and the current situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re-2OrwRuXk) and went radio silent during Obama's presidency. YZ coming out of mothballs isn't a coincidence, even if he originally planned it as a 'Not The Actual Events' alternate reality view of what could have happened. (To go deeper into that last part. I had a theory I've never been able to properly put into words about his NIN work since Hesitation Marks. He's basically been retracing his career. HM was him flirting with elements from TDS. Deviations was a different take on The Fragile. Not The Actual Events was from the perspective of that part of himself he walled up on With Teeth. And I thought untitled EP [now Add Violence] was going to be that guy from Burning Bright unleashed onto the world of Year Zero. It's looking like I was wrong on intent but there does seem to be something to that train of thought. I guess we'll see for sure if he re-explores The Slip for EP number 3.) Vince MechMahon posted:What Hillary might have done if she won literally does not matter because she didn't. Let's see what the Donald is up to. I'm sure he's doing great with... Oh... Oh god... Did you (or him) give a poo poo about civilian deaths under Obama? Do you honestly think Hillary wouldn't have toppled Assad (something the Donald was able to resist despite universal praise from the establishment over his airfield bombing) after getting elected? That's why this  act is ringing hollow. You had the high ground in 2007. Not so much in 2017.
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Jul 18, 2017 19:38
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Sir Lemming posted:Another new song, "This Isn't The Place"
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Jul 18, 2017 19:42
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Confirmed: she's gone away is a Hillary ballad. The "little mouth that opened up inside" is a clear Trump reference
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Jul 18, 2017 19:43
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So Trent can't rail against the disastrous state of politics because...he didn't do it enough when Obama was president? Or because he"flipped mansions"? Or because he has four children? You sound like an alt-right idiot.
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Jul 18, 2017 19:45
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Leon Einstein posted:So Trent can't rail against the disastrous state of politics because...he didn't do it enough when Obama was president? Or because he"flipped mansions"? Or because he has four children? What if this whole crusades a charade? And behind it all there's a price to be paid??
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Jul 18, 2017 19:50
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I'm all for bipartisanship in general, but Trent is under no obligation to be equally personally outraged about everything. (Also, Trump and his cult being bad for America is drat near a bipartisan issue anyway.)
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Jul 18, 2017 19:51
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Call Me Charlie posted:The new track is very cool. Hand That Feeds was, again, more of an anti-Bush administration song than an anti-Bush song, specifically. As for YZ, in his own words: quote:What's it about? Well, it takes place about fifteen years in the future. Things are not good. If you imagine a world where greed and power continue to run their likely course, you'll have an idea of the backdrop. The world has reached the breaking point - politically, spiritually and ecologically. Written from various perspectives of people in this world, "year zero" examines various viewpoints set against an impending moment of truth. How does it sound? You will hear for yourself soon enough, but given the point of this document is to provide information... I'm not even sure what "radio silent" means, NIN was definitely touring during the Obama years and they definitely played a bunch of stuff from YZ, as well as The Hand That Feeds, on those tours. Hell, the fact that he changed the Bush image to McCain in some concerts, and the McCain diss you posted, are even more evidence that that song is more anti-administration than anti-specific person. Also, it's pretty well-known that Bush wasn't even close to the worst part of that whole administration, which is why most of the bands doing specifically anti-Bush songs at that time were the dumber/more reactionary punk bands.
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Jul 18, 2017 20:09
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Whoops just realized I'm dangerously close to a political argument with someone who is angry about Trent being a corporate sellout while also extolling the virtues of Amazon Echo 
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Jul 18, 2017 20:13
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Kelp Me! posted:Whoops just realized I'm dangerously close to a political argument with someone who is angry about Trent being a corporate sellout while also extolling the virtues of Amazon Echo I'm rubber and you're Beats 1/vinyl.
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Jul 18, 2017 20:15
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The bass in the new track is so goddamn good. I'm going to be listening to that one on a loop for a while.
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Jul 18, 2017 22:09
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Call Me Charlie posted:Did you (or him) give a poo poo about civilian deaths under Obama? Do you honestly think Hillary wouldn't have toppled Assad (something the Donald was able to resist despite universal praise from the establishment over his airfield bombing) after getting elected? That's why this Yes, I did. Drone strikes have always sucked, and we can always do better. We do still have the high ground because unlike the right we are internally consistent. Obama's numbers were too high, and Trump is on track to double them.
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Jul 18, 2017 22:18
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I think (hope) Charlie's point isn't right or left. The Obama administration was just better at hiding the face of the ugly beast while the same kinds of terrible policies were enacted. The problem is that democrats and republicans both serve the same masters. Greed and power rule. That's why people roll their eyes when the political message comes across as partisan. That said I find the point of year zero and other such politically inclined NIN work to be pointed more at the system than at the particular politicians (even if Trent can't help but take a swing at that piņata). Skails fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 02:22
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Really liked the new track until the falsetto came in...
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Jul 19, 2017 05:26
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I liked this new track a lot more than the first one. I remember the last EP had a few callbacks to earlier NIN music, I wonder if this one will too, or if every EP will reference specific eras in Trent's music. Can't wait for the full EP to drop.
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Skails posted:I think (hope) Charlie's point isn't right or left. The Obama administration was just better at hiding the face of the ugly beast while the same kinds of terrible policies were enacted. The problem is that democrats and republicans both serve the same masters. Greed and power rule. That's why people roll their eyes when the political message comes across as partisan. This false equivalency crap is why we have President Trump.
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Jul 19, 2017 08:05
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You don't understand. They're all puppets, maaaaaan. 
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Jul 19, 2017 10:34
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i wonder if this gets released early again because trezzy gets so excited
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http://www.dailybulletin.com/arts-and-entertainment/20170719/how-to-experience-fyf-fest-for-free-with-just-announced-livestream NIN's FYF set on Sunday will be livestreamed
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Just got the download link for ADD VIOLENCE, it released early. edit: Weird, got two different download links. One new type and one in the old SendOwl style. Assuming they're the same thing. Obsurveyor fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 23:17
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I'm out at dinner fuuuuuuuuck me like an animal.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:21
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Listening to the whole thing in order at the moment. The Lovers sounds a bit like The Fragile's more natural sounding guitar and piano had a baby with Year Zero, I think? e: Anyone here going to the show tonight? ee: There are so many references to Trent's other work I could almost see this unifying a big chunk of it and bringing it into the YZ universe... sleepwalkers fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 23:46
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The "ending" of THE BACKGROUND WORLD 
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Jul 20, 2017 01:02
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jtr posted:The "ending" of THE BACKGROUND WORLD Apparently it loops 52 times. Trent is 52.
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Jul 20, 2017 01:25
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It's really amazing how irritating the stutter in the loop is.
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Xylorjax posted:It's really amazing how irritating the stutter in the loop is. maybe that's how birthdays start feeling when you hit 52
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Xylorjax posted:It's really amazing how irritating the stutter in the loop is. Edit: It already is way more interesting than the last ep, and it's very cool how it's hinting at some big Year Zero tie-in. I bet tonight's show reveals another part of the big picture. Leon Einstein fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 01:59
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Leon Einstein posted:Is it supposed to be irritating as gently caress that it loops so awkwardly? Cause it is. Yea, I couldn't get through it. Bet there's something hidden in there. I feel sorry for the folks initially listening to it on vinyl.
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I got through it. It gets less irritating as it goes on because that stutter sort of disappears into distorted mush after awhile.
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"I Am Sitting in a Room" goes on for like 40 minutes, so all told I admire Trent's restraint with the end of "The Background World."
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