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I don't even know what's going on any more. https://twitter.com/ebaumsworld/status/887685415074791424
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Joementum posted:I don't even know what's going on any more. drat, what'd it say?
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Jul 19, 2017 15:52
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Hey did you hear about this fukkin swift guy who wants us to eat babbies?
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quote:The point is, we’ll never move ahead as a nation if we keep following a failed candidate. It’s time to think about Sanders 2020. I just enunciated the hurrest of durrs.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:54
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emdash posted:drat, what'd it say? lol, they deleted it already? it was a reply to this tweet from Will that said something like "good morning, Daddy" https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/887683939254587393
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Antti posted:
I don't think he's entirely wrong, insofar as the podcast isn't necessarily "advancing socialism", but that's also not the point; that's like all the people who used to view the Daily Show as some great source of news or liberalism or whatever, when it's just a comedy show that enjoys poking fun of entrenched, vapid, hypocritical elites and institutions as informed by their political perspective. Occasionally they might try to explain or enlighten listeners as to the reasoning behind the joke, but I certainly wouldn't consider Chapo as a particularly informative or educational show. As it stands, it's a real fun listen that encourages people to think critically of standing media and political narratives, and to push them in a left direction, while leaving it to the listener to educate themselves further about how and what that means, and that's not a bad thing, but it's also not the end-all-be-all of socialism as Marry seems to think they're trying to be.
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Jul 19, 2017 15:59
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Wait, I thought CTH is a KGB ruse, paid to spread dezinformatsiya (misinformation in russian)???
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Jul 19, 2017 16:00
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Thaddius the Large posted:As it stands, it's a real fun listen that encourages people to think critically of standing media and political narratives, and to push them in a left direction, while leaving it to the listener to educate themselves further about how and what that means, and that's not a bad thing, but it's also not the end-all-be-all of socialism as Marry seems to think they're trying to be. One might even say that it is not their job to educate you... 
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Thaddius the Large posted:I don't think he's entirely wrong, insofar as the podcast isn't necessarily "advancing socialism", but that's also not the point; that's like all the people who used to view the Daily Show as some great source of news or liberalism or whatever, when it's just a comedy show that enjoys poking fun of entrenched, vapid, hypocritical elites and institutions as informed by their political perspective. Occasionally they might try to explain or enlighten listeners as to the reasoning behind the joke, but I certainly wouldn't consider Chapo as a particularly informative or educational show. As it stands, it's a real fun listen that encourages people to think critically of standing media and political narratives, and to push them in a left direction, while leaving it to the listener to educate themselves further about how and what that means, and that's not a bad thing, but it's also not the end-all-be-all of socialism as Marry seems to think they're trying to be. Oh yeah, just like it was crazy for libs to put all their hope on Jon Stewart as some sort of liberal Jesus, thinking the Chapo guys and girl (out of all people!) are going to save us is dumb. They've talked about the Rally to Restore Sanity on the pod before. That thing gets more and more stupid as time goes on. Making socialism popular is a worthwhile goal and more than any of them could've probably hoped to achieve only two years ago. Comparing them to
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Thaddius the Large posted:I don't think he's entirely wrong, insofar as the podcast isn't necessarily "advancing socialism", but that's also not the point; that's like all the people who used to view the Daily Show as some great source of news or liberalism or whatever, when it's just a comedy show that enjoys poking fun of entrenched, vapid, hypocritical elites and institutions as informed by their political perspective. Occasionally they might try to explain or enlighten listeners as to the reasoning behind the joke, but I certainly wouldn't consider Chapo as a particularly informative or educational show. As it stands, it's a real fun listen that encourages people to think critically of standing media and political narratives, and to push them in a left direction, while leaving it to the listener to educate themselves further about how and what that means, and that's not a bad thing, but it's also not the end-all-be-all of socialism as Marry seems to think they're trying to be. will even went on a rant about how listening to the show is not politics and that you have to do more than just listen to them
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Serf posted:will even went on a rant about how listening to the show is not politics and that you have to do more than just listen to them
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Oh I see you hate socialism but you also still enjoy weekends. Strange.
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Scott Benson had one of the best takes on the chapo disco tonight. https://twitter.com/bombsfall/status/887681383942025220 Jeet's not entirely wrong that there is a chapo-ish stripe of socialist women and men online that are pretty aggressive and rude to their enemies (and sometimes friends) and I can see that that would be alienating to people who might otherwise be on the fence about leftist movements. While that's an issue if it's like the local chapter members and leaders of Our Revolution, DSA OR PSL just yelling at liberals and maga chuds all day I think Jeet's focusing on an unexpectedly popular podcast as being the cause and not a product of the greater political trends in the USA. I think like Scott says, there is also no real comparison with the amount of power that the people they are lashing out at have. At the end of the day, people like Chris Clizza or Joy Ann reid can leave twitter with no real consequences to their careers so dirtbag leftists really have much less to lose. I guess it's a case of people still mistakenly thinking that politics flow downstream from culture, as Matt said.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:13
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I wonder how the media class would react to a Chapo that only focused on the right.Sandweed posted:Oh I see you hate socialism but you also still enjoy weekends. Strange. He almost has a point then gets petty. It's at least more interesting than Yglesias' model though, "comfort the comfortable".
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Jul 19, 2017 16:15
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Serf posted:will even went on a rant about how listening to the show is not politics and that you have to do more than just listen to them John Stewart even did the same thing early on, during his "debate" with Hannity and Colmes, but fanboys gonna fanboy.
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SoupyTwist posted:I wonder how the media class would react to a Chapo that only focused on the right.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:29
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look capitalism makes us all complicit in our exploitation by selling our labor in ways we might prefer not to, don't look down on mister chapo for having to punch a clock at the racism factory to put food on his family
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Jul 19, 2017 16:30
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Thaddius the Large posted:I don't think he's entirely wrong, insofar as the podcast isn't necessarily "advancing socialism", but that's also not the point; that's like all the people who used to view the Daily Show as some great source of news or liberalism or whatever, when it's just a comedy show that enjoys poking fun of entrenched, vapid, hypocritical elites and institutions as informed by their political perspective. Occasionally they might try to explain or enlighten listeners as to the reasoning behind the joke, but I certainly wouldn't consider Chapo as a particularly informative or educational show. As it stands, it's a real fun listen that encourages people to think critically of standing media and political narratives, and to push them in a left direction, while leaving it to the listener to educate themselves further about how and what that means, and that's not a bad thing, but it's also not the end-all-be-all of socialism as Marry seems to think they're trying to be. Stickfigure posted:Wait, I thought CTH is a KGB ruse, paid to spread dezinformatsiya (misinformation in russian)???
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Jul 19, 2017 16:37
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MikeCrotch posted:I know it's probably a put on, but the "Oh no, oh no" from the co-host when he was told the story was about Uber was priceless Little Garfie is amazingly unaware of a lot of things. 
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Jul 19, 2017 16:39
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this person follows me lol
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Jul 19, 2017 16:41
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Serf posted:this person follows me lol YOU MONSTER
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Jul 19, 2017 16:44
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Halloween Jack posted:Im looking for a samizdat folder, it cant be rozovyy (thats Russian for pink) or any girl color. Ah, a fellow Russia expert. Otlichno.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:44
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it's funny that all these people are unable to differentiate between podcast hosts and podcast fans, but it's a lot less funny that there's a ton of mentally ill chapo fans harassing people in a misguided attempt to emulate their heros or something
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Jul 19, 2017 16:46
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prefect posted:YOU MONSTER i think they're from my miktoast liberal days. i... don't know why they still follow me...
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Jul 19, 2017 16:46
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little munchkin posted:it's funny that all these people are unable to differentiate between podcast hosts and podcast fans, but it's a lot less funny that there's a ton of mentally ill chapo fans harassing people in a misguided attempt to emulate their heros or something I bet even some fans of Mister Rogers or Bob Ross are jerks. They've gotta exist.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:50
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Jeet Heer is good when he's drawing on his vast historical and literary reading, and he's bad when he's analyzing pop culture and comparing evertything to the coen brothers or whatever
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little munchkin posted:it's funny that all these people are unable to differentiate between podcast hosts and podcast fans, but it's a lot less funny that there's a ton of mentally ill chapo fans harassing people in a misguided attempt to emulate their heros or something Yeah it has been a fear since the early episodes, something that they do poke once in a while. Only recently I had access to the Premium episodes and yeah if Will had put some of the earlier context before the BEND THE KNEEEEE TO UUUSSSS part it would be far harder for Rebecca Traister to disingenuously twist that quote to "scream at women for the sake of leftisms" without being disproven with a lil soundcloud link. Also yeah Heer Jeet needs to go to the show since it would be easier to address his concerns, is a somewhat respected figure around and they're way, way nicer to guests.
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SOOO. loving. MANY rich white girls think its okay to tut tut working class PoC on twitterSerf posted:this person follows me lol maybe talk to them? BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 16:55
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Serf posted:i think they're from my miktoast liberal days. i... don't know why they still follow me... It's okay, I listen to The Weeds sometimes too.
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Jul 19, 2017 16:59
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Antti posted:It's okay, I listen to The Weeds sometimes too. isn't that a show
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Jul 19, 2017 17:01
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"In the Weeds" is the Yglesias+Klein podcast. They talk about wonk policy stuff, where the details reside...in the weeds.
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Jul 19, 2017 17:05
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Serf posted:isn't that a show It is a podcast about three people explaining how nothing good is realistic and you should give your money to corporations because they know what is best.
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Jul 19, 2017 17:05
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Race Realists posted:maybe talk to them? if me constantly retweeting the dry boys and dsa memes hasn't caused them to unfollow me i think they're just not very engaged Mr Hootington posted:It is a podcast about three people explaining how nothing good is realistic and you should give your money to corporations because they know what is best. sounds bad
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Jul 19, 2017 17:09
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Peak Vox/Weeds moment was some episode during the primaries where they were marveling that Bernie Sanders caught so much poo poo for not having enough detail in his single payer plan and yet Republicans never pay any electoral price for running on tax proposals that would necessitate shuttering the DoD if you actually wanted to pay for them. GEE I WONDER WHO'S FAULT THAT IS
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Jul 19, 2017 17:10
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the weeds is good for matty making fun of ezra
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The proper response to the Jeet situation can be found in your standard issue KGB playbooks, tovarischi. The section is "ohuenno", which means "go on cum town"
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