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egon_beeblebrox posted:Tobias is in trouble this time. Dooper also misread his business card.
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zelah posted:Is this a British thing? I noticed the Diane podcast people referring to visual things as "text". Does that just mean "this specific piece of work" regardless of medium? The text is what is written explicitly, the subtext being what you read into a work without it being necessarily spelled out for you.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Tobias is in trouble this time. One more Analrapist joins the cast.
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Escobarbarian posted:I don't know about personally, but I definitely (as I've mentioned way too much already) have a chip on my shoulder about this whole "rape????? what????? man you goons are obsessed with rape!!!!!!!" thing. Seems like kind of an intellectually dishonest way of refusing to fully interact with the text as is, and people attempting to shut down valid discussion because of their own feelings that talking about this poo poo makes them uncomfortable etc. well, that's using the most hyperbolic language possible, obviously it isn't that big of a deal Pretty much this. I get that some people can put aside the situation to just enjoy the physical comedy, but for me I have so many friends who have been traumatized by sexual assault in "ambiguous" situations that I can't laugh at that. And I'm especially scared of anyone that is saying that it's unambiguously not rape. Because those are the sorts of people who hurt my friends.
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It's unambiguously not rape because unambiguously Jane-E does not knows Dougie is empty-minded Cooper. The running joke, since the beginning, is that nobody realizes this, everyone just thinks that Dougie is a little stranger than normal. Also, because we know that, in spite of being almost catatonic, Cooper can still defend himself (and others) if there's real danger involved. He didint felt treatened by Jane-E behavior, didnt try to stop her when she came for he, and very clearly enjoyed what she did. Is not rape
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Jul 19, 2017 17:41
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Also Dougie was smiling A LOT in bed both during and after
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Again, if it were real life then he would be a mentally handicapped man and it would thus be rape, but the difference here is that there is literal magic involved
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SlipkPIe posted:Again, if it were real life then he would be a mentally handicapped man and it would thus be rape, but the difference here is that there is literal magic involved Also none of them are real people and what we see on screen is all there is to their world, so the nuance involved in a real situation like this is unapplicable. :/
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Ok. Now gender-flip it, even with the magic and the people not getting the babyperson thing. Still feel the same way? edit: CJacobs posted:Also none of them are real people and what we see on screen is all there is to their world, so the nuance involved in a real situation like this is unapplicable. :/ well this is just fuckin stupid
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Escobarbarian posted:well this is just fuckin stupid I'm just saying that you can't really consider the circumstances as if it is a real life situation because it's not one. I didn't think that would be a controversial statement.
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Jul 19, 2017 17:55
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So nothing in fiction can ever draw any parallels to real life, due to being fictional?
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Jul 19, 2017 17:59
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is this guy's podcast as insufferable as his posting
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gender-flipped, it's basically michael bluth and rita
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Yeah and that show actively acknowledged that it was hosed-up
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Jul 19, 2017 18:12
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Dougie isn't retarded, he's magic Do y'all hate Jane-e now?
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"talking about rape with regards to a scene where a man who was unable to consent was had sexed on is stupid because none of it really happened idiots" - something awful dot com forum posters, 2017
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Jul 19, 2017 18:23
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I'm pretty sure people are just saying that he can give consent, not that it's ok to bang someone who can't give consent
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quadpus posted:gender-flipped, it's basically michael bluth and rita or Observe and Report.
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Escobarbarian posted:"talking about rape with regards to a scene where a man who was unable to consent was had sexed on is stupid because none of it really happened idiots" - something awful dot com forum posters, 2017 a fun exercise is to browse ur posts in this thread and ctrl+f "rape"
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Jul 19, 2017 18:35
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There was a time skip so we honestly don't know if this conversation occurred: Janey: Requesting landing my bahgina on your dilznick Dougie: You may proceed, good buddy
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hawowanlawow posted:I'm pretty sure people are just saying that he can give consent, not that it's ok to bang someone who can't give consent This scene with these characters, in a different show or context, I think is a lot more open to debate on the rape thing. Like other posters have said, if Dougie/Coop felt threatened I'm sure he would have denied Janey-E in some way. It's a man she's married to and has a child with, and is known to have 'episodes' that must resemble the way Cooper is acting, for everyone who knows him to not be overly concerned by his behaviour. Did Janey-E ever have sex with him when he was Dougie and had these episodes? Is that rape? Etc. There are a lot of variables on top of his lack of faculties being magical. If it was gender flipped, but still the same context of a Cooper-like character who had already established she can defend herself if she's in danger, I would feel the same way. That said! I have no problem with people seeing it as kind of creepy or rapey, because again the same type of thing in another show or context would be imo a lot more unambiguous on whether it's skeazy or not. If you look at the situation in black and white, without all the little grey bits surrounding it, then yeah it's a woman who has full faculties taking advantage of a man who doesn't, husband or not. I just don't see it as such in this show with what we've seen come before it. If she had hosed him the day he came back I'd be a lot more bothered. At any rate the arguing about it is getting old. Agree to disagree imo, both views are valid.
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I mean, I think it's good people react to the scene this way and want to have conversations about consent. I just think in this case it's fundamentally impossible to have a productive discussion about it, since that kind of always has to just devolve into a discussion about what the gently caress Dougie even is
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Escobarbarian posted:"talking about rape with regards to a scene where a man who was unable to consent was had sexed on is stupid because none of it really happened idiots" - something awful dot com forum posters, 2017 That's very much not what I was saying dumbass.
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Escobarbarian posted:"talking about rape with regards to a scene where a man who was unable to consent was had sexed on is stupid because none of it really happened idiots" - something awful dot com forum posters, 2017 you're embarrassing yourself
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SlipkPIe posted:a discussion about what the gently caress Dougie even is Mr. Jackpots
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Jul 19, 2017 18:58
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Now, real comedy would be if he shouted "Helloooooooooow!" at the end of the sex scene.
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remusclaw posted:Now, real comedy would be if he shouted "Helloooooooooow!" at the end of the sex scene.
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CJacobs posted:That's very much not what I was saying dumbass. You may need to elaborate then because there's literally no other way to read a post that says "it can't be applied to real life because it's fiction" than "it can't be applied to real life because it's fiction".
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Jul 19, 2017 19:15
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Dougie Coop is sleepwalking DC had sex while sleepwalking Goons :rape:
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Today, Esco loses half of his subscribers. The sex scene was presented as comedy, and was the funniest scene in the show. HELLLLLOOOOOOO!
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Wet dreams are rape of yourself
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It was the funniest scene so far! Reminder I'm not the one who posted "IT WAS UNEQUIVOCALLY RAPE" and so on. I said I could see where people found issues even though I personally didn't. I'm only reacting this way because of people trying to shut down absolutely any discussion about it and acting like bringing it up at all is stupid and/or creepy. It's a David Lynch work, he's a thoughtful guy, he knew what he was doing. It's valid to not have issues with it, but it's equally valid to see the problems and post about them. But some goons have such an issue with any discussion that might even a little bit involve something this unsavoury that they NEED to shut it down. and is dum
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can you like, quote a post that is trying to shut down discussion? personally, I think it's more annoying to read posts that gloss over the question of whether Dougie can give consent, present it as fact that he can't, then shame people for thinking it was funny
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You're raping this thread with your rape discussion. I do NOT consent.
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hawowanlawow posted:can you like, quote a post that is trying to shut down discussion? "Dougie didn't feel threatened enough to loving karate chop Janey" doesn't immediately mean that he knew what was happening. He barely knows how to sit and piss. Which post shamed you? Could you quote it? (I think you're both being a little bit silly, here.)
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hawowanlawow posted:can you like, quote a post that is trying to shut down discussion? I feel like all the "lol goons are so creepy why do they love rape so much??" posts are the best example. They seem to be fairly blatantly trying to shame people into not bringing it up, especially with the insinuation that the only possible way it could be interpreted like that is if someone is a rape-obsessed weirdo, which is blatantly not the case because again David Lynch is the kind of dude who understands exactly what he's doing at all times and certainly intended for there to be a mild creepy/awkward element to that scene (if more because of the way Janey's falling for him than because of the sex itself). e: fwiw I don't like the idea that I'm making this thread especially tedious to read but I really do feel strongly (more strongly than I should, but hey, I'm a dude posting on the internet, that's like our whole thing) that this viewpoint should be defended.
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