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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-surveyquote:Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every American adult, according to the most definitive portrait of US gun ownership in two decades. But the new survey estimates that 133m of these guns are concentrated in the hands of just 3% of American adults – a group of super-owners who have amassed an average of 17 guns each.
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Saint Celestine posted:Don't all the people who went nuts and bought guns during the Obama years already have guns? The people who buy guns buy fucktons of guns. Something like half of all guns in the US are owned by 3% of households. It's like the market for mobile game microtransactions, you have a decent number of people who'll buy one gun, but the real profit comes from a small number of people who buy enormous quantities of guns and ammo. These compulsive gun buyers only stopped buying guns because when Trump got elected they stopped fearing that the world would descent into a Mad Max style post-apocalyptic wasteland where guns = power. If they're sufficiently scared, they'll keep buying guns indefinitely.
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Saint Celestine posted:Don't all the people who went nuts and bought guns during the Obama years already have guns? You've put your finger on the problem - guns don't go bad, so in order to keep sales up the NRA needs to appeal to the psycho armory-hoarders with whatever incendiary rhetoric they can find. They're only going to get worse as sales continue to drop.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:31
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mcmagic posted:I read an interview with someone who grew up in a tough neighborhood and they said that they viewed the cops as just another street gang. I thought this was well established by many people in many neighborhoods.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:31
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Hurm... Could I legally open a gun store that was a giant gachapon machine?
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The NRA just needs to start pushing a narrative of "now that he's out of the White House, Obama finally has time to take your weapons like some kind of black powder vampire. The only way to stop him is to buy a howitzer."
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Jul 19, 2017 20:33
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Oxxidation posted:You've put your finger on the problem - guns don't go bad, so in order to keep sales up the NRA needs to appeal to the psycho armory-hoarders with whatever incendiary rhetoric they can find. They're only going to get worse as sales continue to drop. A lot of us are going to inherit 100+ guns in a few years, and the bottom is going to drop out of the market, because guns really don't go bad.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:33
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They want to turn every white American into the player character from Doom.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:33
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Hurm... Could I legally open a gun store that was a giant gachapon machine? A Pokémon booster pack model is more viable imo.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:33
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BarbarianElephant posted:Guns really don't go bad., people do. I think I smell a new NRA slogan.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:34
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Farchanter posted:A Pokémon booster pack model is more viable imo. I'm thinking like Fire Emblem Heroes.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:35
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A thing to remember with the NRA/gun industry is that they aren't selling commodities here guns are expensive. A "good" gun is somewhere around a thousand dollars. That means that the people driven to buy fifty guns are nutjobs, yes, but they are nutjobs that gave the industry ~$50,000.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:36
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I read somewhere that home 3D printers have cut into the gun accessories market a bit
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Jul 19, 2017 20:37
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The only way to protect yourself from a bad guy with a gun is having two guns yourself. -the NRA, probably
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Jul 19, 2017 20:38
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Just to give a rough idea of the gun industry, you can buy "good" assault rifles for sub-$500. They were pushing $1200+ around Sandy Hook timeframe Hell for a while you literally could not find .22 ammo at all
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Jul 19, 2017 20:38
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Al Borland Corp. posted:When did the NRA go completely loving insane? 1960s to 1977. A combination of industry lobbyists and right-wingers seized control of the organization. This was, predictably, in response to the CRA and the Gun Control Act. Before that point they were basically a nonpartisan gun safety organization.
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Blitz7x posted:Just to give a rough idea of the gun industry, you can buy "good" assault rifles for sub-$500. They were pushing $1200+ around Sandy Hook timeframe Invest in guns now, sell in 4-8 years.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:39
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theflyingorc posted:There's most of 10 million people in the United states who own at least 17 guns each. This is who the NRA is marketing to. I've got at least that many but I could give a poo poo about the NRA. Mostly an assortment of hunting rifles, and shotguns I use for trap, and some C&R stuff I just like for collectibles.
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Is there any sort of numbers on age spread of these people buying piles of guns? I imagine most of them are older and as they die off (naturally), there wont be a crazy young person ready to replace him, and thus the market will eventually oversaturate.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:39
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mcmagic posted:I read an interview with someone who grew up in a tough neighborhood and they said that they viewed the cops as just another street gang. This was certainly my experience in Oakland in the 90s. Primary difference was that the local street gang found and gave me back my bike when it got stolen, and the cops just took money straight out of my paycheck.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:40
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BarbarianElephant posted:Invest in guns now, sell in 4-8 years. Is it like jewelry though, where you basically cannot recoup significant fractional value as a private, one-time seller? It seems to me that gun manufacturers/retailers would want to follow the DeBeers model of price control.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:40
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I work in the corporate office of an oil company in an affluent part of a large city in Texas. A few months ago 6 F-150s in the company parking lot were broken into at once, resulting in 7 guns being stolen. Texas.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:42
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mdemone posted:Is it like jewelry though, where you basically cannot recoup significant fractional value as a private, one-time seller? Guns depreciate much less than diamonds so I don't think that the DeBeers model works here. For example, the Benelli m4 I purchased 5 years ago would sell on an auction site for only ~$200 - $300 less than the price I bought it for, and thats mostly because ALL gun prices went down.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:43
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Fangz posted:They want to turn every white American into the player character from Doom. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Doomguy doesn't approve of energy that isn't ethically sourced or consorting with demons. No way he votes Republican.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:44
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There's a guy who lives in my neighborhood was has one of those "my family" decal sets on the rear window of his truck, but instead of stick figures it features a series of assault rifles. So. The Midwest says "hello."
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Jul 19, 2017 20:44
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Saint Celestine posted:Is there any sort of numbers on age spread of these people buying piles of guns? I would assume that it's middle aged people who are buying them, just for the fact that younger people can't afford them.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:44
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LaserShark posted:Hahaha, oh my god. trump literally doesn't understand how the senate works: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/07/trump-humiliates-front-senators-knowing-ballot.html
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Jul 19, 2017 20:45
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Crow Jane posted:I read somewhere that home 3D printers have cut into the gun accessories market a bit I think I read that you could print out basically a derringer equivalent (small single shot pistol.) But hey, humankind always innovates!
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Jul 19, 2017 20:45
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Blitz7x posted:oil company[...]Texas[..] 6 F-150s [...] 7 guns[...] Texas. That's the most Texas story I've heard today.
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Saint Celestine posted:Guns depreciate much less than diamonds so I don't think that the DeBeers model works here. For example, the Benelli m4 I purchased 5 years ago would sell on an auction site for only ~$200 - $300 less than the price I bought it for, and thats mostly because ALL gun prices went down. Yeah, anything good that has been reasonably maintained basically doesn't lose value. Not like guns really go bad. And if its something that has acquired a following, or the new model in the line is shittier, the price can go up very easily as well.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Forfeiture can end up self financing. Police depts. Use this all the time to get around local budget limitations. Forfeit big enough and you have your own independent budget. This can't be stated enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks Something that happens on the sly pretty regularly especially around rural casinos is that local Sheriffs and city police often post right outside of them and pull people over for frivolous charges, hoping that the target won money at the casino and took his winnings in cash, which they then seize because they "determine through independent investigation and professional intuition" that the money is going to be used to buy drugs. Double bonus if they get to do it on a brown person. Civil Forfeiture laws need to be fundamentally rewritten on a national level because as it is now it's rife for abuse.
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Blitz7x posted:I work in the corporate office of an oil company in an affluent part of a large city in Texas. A few months ago 6 F-150s in the company parking lot were broken into at once, resulting in 7 guns being stolen. Texas. I'm going to assume that your company (like mine) has a "no weapons on property" sign as you drive onto the campus. Sometimes I wonder how many employees at any given time are in violation of that company rule.
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botany posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch-nra-tv-hosts-warn-white-families-will-be-tortured-and-killed-if-black-lives-matter-succeeds/ man it sure it great that they've poisoned everything to do with guns from messaging to investigations so if something happens from any of this nothing will be loving done
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I would assume that it's middle aged people who are buying them, just for the fact that younger people can't afford them. KickerOfMice posted:I think I read that you could print out basically a derringer equivalent (small single shot pistol.) But hey, humankind always innovates! illcendiary posted:I'm going to assume that your company (like mine) has a "no weapons on property" sign as you drive onto the campus. Sometimes I wonder how many employees at any given time are in violation of that company rule.
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7c Nickel posted:They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. Doomguy doesn't approve of energy that isn't ethically sourced or consorting with demons. No way he votes Republican. I now need there to be GI Joe style PSAs starring the Doom guy who still only speaks in grunts.
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Pakled posted:The people who buy guns buy fucktons of guns. Something like half of all guns in the US are owned by 3% of households. It's like the market for mobile game microtransactions, you have a decent number of people who'll buy one gun, but the real profit comes from a small number of people who buy enormous quantities of guns and ammo. These compulsive gun buyers only stopped buying guns because when Trump got elected they stopped fearing that the world would descent into a Mad Max style post-apocalyptic wasteland where guns = power. If they're sufficiently scared, they'll keep buying guns indefinitely. Which ironic because Trump winning has vastly increased the odds of the Mad Max style post-apocalyptic wasteland.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:49
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Al Borland Corp. posted:When did the NRA go completely loving insane? Gun sales (and also likely NRA memberships) are way down since Trump took office. Gotta stoke those fires and separate paranoid extremists and crazy people from their $$$ somehow.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:50
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GWBBQ posted:... and one is a Mosin Nagant from the pre-Obama days ... That's a funny way of referring to something first created in the 19th century.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:52
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Saint Celestine posted:Is there any sort of numbers on age spread of these people buying piles of guns? They are disproportionately older, whiter, and more rural than average Americans. Over the last 30 years the proportion of households that have at least one gun has consistently declined, probably driven by the decline in the rural proportion of the population and the percent of the population that hunts regularly.
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GWBBQ posted:I'm in my early 30s and own 6 guns, but I inherited two, bought two on the local store's 75% off rack, and one is a Mosin Nagant from the pre-Obama days when they cost $70. Even with the $400 AK, I'm under $600. Still though, you aren't their target demographic, they are looking for people buying ten guns at full price, not people inheriting/buying things on discount.
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