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I just picked up Float and it's in the single most unassuming place ever and I was amazed when it wasn't just a random chest with 20 gil in. I forget the name of the place but the big open grassy area where you pick up the ??? hunt (Mandragoras).
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Seitengrat has a 1% chance of appearing in a chest that also has a 1% chance of appearing. It's not game breaking to have an ultra rare weapon most players won't get.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:45
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Phantasium posted:You go to the mines, to the bridge where the skeletons respawn, and then hit L1. also set up a steal gambit, I use foe HP >90%
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Jul 19, 2017 20:53
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FF12's random chest thing was just weird grindy nature that all mainline FF games have. I remember spending an hour or two trying to get the Excalibur to show up in a chest, and that poo poo was a nightmare. Heck, I spent an hour last night grinding One-Eye from FFX monster arena trying to get a triple AP weapon for Auron to drop. Speaking of which, I turned Wakka into a killing machine that hits for 99k provided armor isn't a big deal.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:06
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corn in the bible posted:I think it's a huge deal that bravery and dispel are in chests in dungeons you'll probably never return to and nowhere else in the world, so either you notice the brown chests in the brown dungeon or you go without a spell that's essentially necessary for fighting bosses. Dispel is the real sin there, though I agree that shoving spells in chests was stupid. It's a lot worse to miss something like Dispel than it is to miss out on a second Brave Suit or something.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:09
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Mill Village posted:Seitengrat has a 1% chance of appearing in a chest that also has a 1% chance of appearing. It's not game breaking to have an ultra rare weapon most players won't get. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s97POHkYGo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdoRtLV3l5c https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=seitengrat
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Jul 19, 2017 21:22
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I don't think normal people are going to do a RNG manipulation.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:25
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I don't think the fact that 10 years later people have figured out how to manipulate the RNG to get it all the time makes it any less stupid.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:25
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My assumption would be that, back when IZJS was first made, they weren't really assuming that players would obsessively figure out the RNG table for the game and manipulate it to guarantee a Seitengrat. That said, I also think all of the invisible weapons are dumb as hell. Even if it wasn't possible to manipulate RNG to get it, what does it add to the rare player's experience if they pick up an invisible, license-free, super-overpowered bow early in the game? You haven't made the game more fun for them--you've eliminated the possibility that anything will pose a challenge at all unless they're one of the players who'll resist using it (clearly not a majority, if all these videos are any indication).
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Jul 19, 2017 21:25
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Mill Village posted:Seitengrat has a 1% chance of appearing in a chest that also has a 1% chance of appearing. It's not game breaking to have an ultra rare weapon most players won't get. its gamebreaking to the player it happens to who doesnt even realize wtf just occured and thinks 'ok i guess ill need this weapon later'
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Jul 19, 2017 21:28
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I think if they had simply spaced out the linear areas in ffxv it'd come across better. It makes more sense to say this is the open world place, we go to Venice or whatever by boat and then come back for a bit before going on another transport thing, etc etc. Open world interspersed with specific mission areas is pretty standard and I don't think people would mind.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:30
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GulagDolls posted:its gamebreaking to the player it happens to who doesnt even realize wtf just occured and thinks 'ok i guess ill need this weapon later' isn't that chest literally invisible imagine being the lucky yutz who mashes X at an inopportune time and gets the strongest weapon in the game dropped on his head
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Jul 19, 2017 21:30
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GulagDolls posted:its gamebreaking to the player it happens to who doesnt even realize wtf just occured and thinks 'ok i guess ill need this weapon later' In fairness, that will never happen. Nobody finds the seitengrate by accident.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:30
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OneDeadman posted:I don't think normal people are going to do a RNG manipulation. The way I see it, there are only two options: - That quote from the dev is truthful and they really were dumb enough to think that randomly getting something good would be a cool surprise and players weren't gonna just look on the internet to see what the deal was (and to be fair this game was in development when Japan was still pretty bad at the internet) - They were actually trolling the gently caress out of the way other JRPGs had poo poo like this, but this one is not very likely because there's parody and then there's reductio ad absurdum.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:33
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Oxxidation posted:isn't that chest literally invisible ok my b I didn't know its literally invisible lol. ive never gone for it if you did just find it by random occurence somehow that would be extremely jarring. i would probably suspect my game was bugged or somethign
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Jul 19, 2017 21:34
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precision posted:The way I see it, there are only two options: option c: sell a fuckload of prima guides GulagDolls posted:ok my b I didn't know its literally invisible lol. ive never gone for it theres 3 invisible items: seitengrat 224 atk bow with 70 eva - literally impossible to stumble across, invisible chest only gendarme - 90 eva 90 def shield, absorbs all elements - same great trango - 180ish attack 1h sword - has invisible chest but also a tiny chance to steal from zodiark i guarantee someone has stolen from zodiark and gotten trango and been like what the gently caress lol mbt fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Jul 19, 2017 21:36
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GulagDolls posted:i would probably suspect my game was bugged or somethign only way to get the seitengrat 2 is to do the Relm glitch in FFVI and import your SNES save into FFXII Zodiac Age 2 and only if you got 256 Excalibur's through the glitch
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Jul 19, 2017 21:37
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:option c: sell a fuckload of prima guides It's not in the PRIMA GUIDE because they didn't make any guides for IZJS. they couldnt even afford to make a model for the super bow
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Jul 19, 2017 21:37
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Bummed XII isn't out on PC.  Did just finish X remaster though - the new optional bosses are some overkill, literally party wipe on first turn. I assume they want me to fill out the whole sphere grid before even tackling these?
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Jul 19, 2017 21:40
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corn in the bible posted:It's not in the PRIMA GUIDE because they didn't make any guides for IZJS. they couldnt even afford to make a model for the super bow the quote was for the original game iirc which had even more ridiculous chest rng. the whole zodiac spear thing was supposed to be if you just happened to ignore the correct chests you'd get it. izjs is pretty reasonable by those standards. Avalerion posted:Bummed XII isn't out on PC. yep. download a trainer or cheat your way to max, don't xp grind ffx unless you hate yourself or just use yojimbo 
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Jul 19, 2017 21:40
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Avalerion posted:Bummed XII isn't out on PC. Just use yojimbo lol
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Jul 19, 2017 21:45
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They don't mention it ingame but for each FFX boss you Zanmato you have to endure another 1,000 years of suffering in the afterlife
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Jul 19, 2017 21:51
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Learning that a whole bunch of skills and spells are found in treasure chests haphazardly placed all over the stupid big dungeons really discourages me from playing the game
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Jul 19, 2017 21:52
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Is there any rhyme or reason as to what prize each chest contains or is it all random
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Jul 19, 2017 21:54
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Seitengrat's gotta be a joke they did since it's double the attack output of the second last bow.
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Jul 19, 2017 21:54
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Calaveron posted:Is there any rhyme or reason as to what prize each chest contains or is it all random its roughly spaced out so you won't get uber magic at low levels other than float/dispel you won't be missing much, all the other essential magic/technics you can buy
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Jul 19, 2017 21:56
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Calaveron posted:Learning that a whole bunch of skills and spells are found in treasure chests haphazardly placed all over the stupid big dungeons really discourages me from playing the game FF12 might as well have had 'just use a guide' stamped on the box
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Jul 19, 2017 21:57
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Calaveron posted:Is there any rhyme or reason as to what prize each chest contains or is it all random Chests can be random or set. Chests with spells, for example, always contain the spell and always appear. And various weapon chests always contain that weapon i.e. the one with the masamune. Sometimes those chests don't appear though. Other chests may contain nothing or a cool item at random and may or may not respawn and may or may not appear, at random. So no spell is permanently missable but some weapons are. Fortunately TRIAL MODE makes most stuff obtainable later on, though there are still some exceptions.
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:its roughly spaced out so you won't get uber magic at low levels Haste too
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Jul 19, 2017 21:58
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Sakurazuka posted:FF12 might as well have had 'just use a guide' stamped on the box
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Jul 19, 2017 22:02
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Sakurazuka posted:FF12 might as well have had 'just use a guide' stamped on the box Nothing can top fighting a big dragon thing with a floating collar in the mines cept maybe the same dragon but covered in moss ten minutes later.
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Jul 19, 2017 22:03
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's a super easy game and you can just play through it and have fun instead of being weird about it. Most of the time I agree but incredibly useful spells being in very easy to miss chests is some bullshit
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Jul 19, 2017 22:04
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I want to say most of the spells and techs are located in the dead ends of most maps.
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Jul 19, 2017 22:05
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Reading this just makes me sad that I made none of my characters an archer. 1) Shikari/Foebreaker (Vaan) 2) White mage/time mage (Balthier) 3) Time mage/bushi (Penelo) 4) Knight/red mage (Basch) 5) Black mage/monk (Ashe) 6) Machinist/white mage (Fran) I eventually decided to just not stress too much about it and choose what seemed fun. All the FF games let you break them pretty badly late so I'm not worrying anymore god drat it
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Jul 19, 2017 22:26
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Calaveron posted:Learning that a whole bunch of skills and spells are found in treasure chests haphazardly placed all over the stupid big dungeons really discourages me from playing the game What Sakurazuka posted:FF12 might as well have had 'just use a guide' stamped on the box But its so easy Why are goons so sadbrains sometimes. Like the existence of a sword that does 9999 damage makes you must have it even if you're already doing so much damage you kill every enemy in one hit. Why do you need it? FactsAreUseless posted:It's a super easy game and you can just play through it and have fun instead of being weird about it. FOR REAL
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Jul 19, 2017 22:31
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The map in the great crystal isn't very helpful at all.
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Jul 19, 2017 22:32
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Emron posted:Reading this just makes me sad that I made none of my characters an archer. Why? If you mean the SUPER MAGIC BOW it isn't even technically a bow, everyone can equip it for free and it doesn't even have a model or whatever
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Jul 19, 2017 22:32
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Calaveron posted:Learning that a whole bunch of skills and spells are found in treasure chests haphazardly placed all over the stupid big dungeons really discourages me from playing the game It's bad but it's not a major issue. If you notice a magic spell is missing and you got the next tier just ask and somebody will tell you where it is.
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Jul 19, 2017 22:37
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corn in the bible posted:Why? If you mean the SUPER MAGIC BOW it isn't even technically a bow, everyone can equip it for free and it doesn't even have a model or whatever lol what the gently caress, ok I'm not gonna worry about that at all then. I will go back for dispel though.
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Dispel's on the north side of the Royal passage in the Tomb of Raithwall. Haste's in the Viera village.
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