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H.P. Hovercraft posted:this is what makes "latinx" so funny It's the reason it exists, though. Like it's not some weird anglo-activist imposing of gender neutral language, it's an issue in every romance language that activists handle differently in each.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Woman's march comes out in support of a cop killer, featuring lovely MS paint She didn't kill the cop but even if she did this is good
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Yea she gotten broken out of prison by the black liberation army then was in hiding for a few years and fled to cuba. That's cool as gently caress.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Woman's march comes out in support of a cop killer, featuring lovely MS paint man the chuds are getting Extra Frothy in the replies to this, lol a revolutionary black woman who loves cop death is basically their ultimate Boogeyman I suppose
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Free Mumia
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surprising to me that, due to sequestration cuts, DoD didn't allow people to write their own slogans on JDAMs or whatever for a nominal fee. Maybe innovation really is dead in this country
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:surprising to me that, due to sequestration cuts, DoD didn't allow people to write their own slogans on JDAMs or whatever for a nominal fee. Maybe innovation really is dead in this country The people working with the bombs aren't even supposed to do it anymore. At least I have a friend who's job was moving them around when he was in the air force and I know he wasn't supposed to as early as like 2006 or so.
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i think i've heard the name "assata shakur" a couple times but i have no idea who she is or what she did (or allegedly did)Agnosticnixie posted:It's the reason it exists, though. Like it's not some weird anglo-activist imposing of gender neutral language, it's an issue in every romance language that activists handle differently in each.
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get that OUT of my face posted:i think i've heard the name "assata shakur" a couple times but i have no idea who she is or what she did (or allegedly did) I think it's silent or said as if it was both words most of the time.
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Control Volume posted:an unnuanced view of macroeconomics You must be great at parties
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Dreddout posted:You must be great at parties "..."
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Control Volume posted:Dont really have any opinion on Assata Shakur, not a single thought in my head about her, but every person who likes her are retarded dip shites who probably also have an unnuanced view of macroeconomics. Still no opinion about her tho lol Not every person that likes her. Jesus. There's socialists that legitimately like her. That's fine. I happen to agree with those people more than I disagree. It's part of the reason why I'm reserving judgement. Perhaps like MLK Jr. and others she's not exactly thrilled with unbridled capitalism unlike the type of people i happen to despise. Way to be a passive aggressive dick tho.
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Agnosticnixie posted:It's the reason it exists, though. Like it's not some weird anglo-activist imposing of gender neutral language, it's an issue in every romance language that activists handle differently in each. it's english speakers choosing to willfully misunderstand grammatical gender and impose their own rules on a foreign language because those stupid fuckers who came up with it are backwards and need to be enlightened by God's one grammar
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FuzzySkinner posted:Not every person that likes her. Jesus. Not a single person gives a poo poo about what you think about "the wokes" you whiny bitch
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If I see one more screed that uses the word "woke" as a noun Im going to hunt you down and brutally quote clinton speeches at you
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Control Volume posted:Not a single person gives a poo poo about what you think about "the wokes" you whiny bitch I dunno you sure seem to care a lot 
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Control Volume posted:If I see one more screed that uses the word "woke" as a noun Im going to hunt you down and brutally quote clinton speeches at you Whoah. Brutal AND random. Watch out yall
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steinrokkan posted:it's english speakers choosing to willfully misunderstand grammatical gender and impose their own rules on a foreign language because those stupid fuckers who came up with it are backwards and need to be enlightened by God's one grammar What's the misunderstanding?
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MaxxBot posted:Not a single person gives a poo poo about your thoughts on his posting either. Maxx gets it . Control Volume posted:If I see one more screed that uses the word "woke" as a noun Im going to hunt you down and brutally quote clinton speeches at you Go ahead . Do it . "Woke "
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yall loving suck, quit posting boring poo poo
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FuzzySkinner posted:Go ahead . Do it . Just chillin' in Cedar Rapids
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Control Volume posted:If I see one more screed that uses the word "woke" as a noun Im going to hunt you down and brutally quote clinton speeches at you U dont sound very woke
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Jeb! Repetition posted:What's the misunderstanding? It assumes that grammatical gender carries with it the same normative baggage as social gender, which is not true, since grammatical gender is not as much semantic as it is functional in an ideologically perfunctory way, and this is reflected in the use and influence of words which could be interpreted as having a semantic gendered component in languages with gendered words (i.e. I don't think anybody who actually grew up speaking a gendered language considers grammatical gender a parallel structure to biological / social gender, since the two are at most tangentially intersected, and realistically each fulfills a completely different function). If anything it's the elevating of grammatical gender to the level of social gender by linking grammatical and social genders via latinx etc. that creates the problem they are trying to solve by promoting a link between grammar and politics and applying it retroactively to all grammatical structures in a reductionist fashion, thus creating a backdoor for a revisionist political narrative of grammar that can be used by either side of the political spectrum to further their agenda. It's not the grammatical gender that is problem, a grammatically masculine word in its original form can easily have connotations understood as feminine and vice versa, the issue is with people trying to impose their preferred meanings on words that are ultimately agnostic to social issues through discourse, which is not remedied by twisting the grammatical forms and pretending that discursive shifting of meanings would not happen in a genderless language, that just makes the resulting language less intelligible without addressing the problematic matter not inherent in grammar. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 22:43 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Literally the only people who've ever asked me to use "latinx" have been members of that community. I also know several latino/latina people who think it's absolutely loving absurd. Different people have different opinions, turns out, but it seems pretty #woke to assume that anglos invented it and inflicted it upon Spanish speakers
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxDUyXVxjzw& the difference between what we'll one day think of this as we look back on it, and the funny nostalgia held for 1960's poo poo like gestalt and primal screaming, is that in the former we're going to be very cold as we burn strips of leather upholstery from the billionaires' luxury robo-butler wealth managing organic food testers. a chuckle now and then will lighten the mood in our caves as nuclear chinese drones audio-scan the terrain for spoken english key words like 'woke' or 'queer kid stuff'.
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steinrokkan posted:it's english speakers choosing to willfully misunderstand grammatical gender and impose their own rules on a foreign language because those stupid fuckers who came up with it are backwards and need to be enlightened by God's one grammar You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian.
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steinrokkan posted:It assumes that grammatical gender carries with it the same normative baggage as social gender, which is not true, since grammatical gender is not as much semantic as it is functional in an ideologically perfunctory way, and this is reflected in the use and influence of words which could be interpreted as having a semantic gendered component in languages with gendered words (i.e. I don't think anybody who actually grew up speaking a gendered language considers grammatical gender a parallel structure to biological / social gender, since the two are at most tangentially intersected, and realistically each fulfills a completely different function). If anything it's the elevating of grammatical gender to the level of social gender by linking grammatical and social genders via latinx etc. that creates the problem they are trying to solve by promoting a link between grammar and politics and applying it retroactively to all grammatical structures in a reductionist fashion, thus creating a backdoor for a revisionist political narrative of grammar that can be used by either side of the political spectrum to further their agenda. It's not the grammatical gender that is problem, a grammatically masculine word in its original form can easily have connotations understood as feminine and vice versa, the issue is with people trying to impose their preferred meanings on words that are ultimately agnostic to social issues through discourse, which is not remedied by twisting the grammatical forms and pretending that discursive shifting of meanings would not happen in a genderless language, that just makes the resulting language less intelligible without addressing the problematic matter not inherent in grammar. apokaladle posted:Literally the only people who've ever asked me to use "latinx" have been members of that community. I also know several latino/latina people who think it's absolutely loving absurd. Different people have different opinions, turns out, but it seems pretty #woke to assume that anglos invented it and inflicted it upon Spanish speakers Agnosticnixie posted:You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian. 
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Agnosticnixie posted:You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian. The modern meaning of "gender" is not the same as gender in linguistics
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Agnosticnixie posted:You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian. people claiming "mankind" is masculine are also really funny
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Agnosticnixie posted:You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian. sexist "activists" are the clueless ones, friend.
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Agnosticnixie posted:You being entirely clueless about it doesn't mean it came from the dastardly anglos, even if they do a lot of stupid poo poo. "Masculine is really gender neutral" is something I've seen widely opposed in activist circles in both spanish and french and which I suspect is also true in portuguese and italian. The normative masculinity of a word is not carried in its grammatical gender. The same assignment of normative gender traits would be observed for the same words translated to languages with and without grammatical genders. Besides, there are ways to make a word neutral without making up rules. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 23:43 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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get ready for the worst takes of your life https://twitter.com/HBOPR/status/887776141397897220 it's an alt history thing
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steinrokkan posted:The normative masculinity of a word is not carried in its grammatical gender. The same assignment of normative gender traits would be observed for the same words translated to languages with and without grammatical genders. Besides, there are ways to make a word neutral without making up rules. There are easily decades worth of arguments pointing out the opposite and I was seeing @ used for it in activist texts in the aughties. It wasn't made up by anglo feminists.
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an actual dog posted:get ready for the worst takes of your life so basically a serious version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnwTWfFRM8 (good movie btw)
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Agnosticnixie posted:There are easily decades worth of arguments pointing out the opposite and I was seeing @ used for it in activist texts in the aughties. It wasn't made up by anglo feminists. avoiding grammatical gender by using an unpronounceable word is also hilarious how do you not get this
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an actual dog posted:get ready for the worst takes of your life In all fairness, saying the confederates sort of won isn't exactly wrong given the aftermath of the moderate gop and the dems canning reconstruction. It's just less in your face than having a literal grey blob of plantations south of the Potomac
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