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Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Haha that's genius. So simple I wouldn't have thought about it.

What about doing mic'd guitar as well as recording my voice at the same time. Is that essentially going to be a game of tedious balancing unless I can have the amp closed off in a separate area?

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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Kilometers Davis posted:

Haha that's genius. So simple I wouldn't have thought about it.

What about doing mic'd guitar as well as recording my voice at the same time. Is that essentially going to be a game of tedious balancing unless I can have the amp closed off in a separate area?

well, it might sound like crap, but no harm trying :)

re the guitar/voice, it's strongly preferable be able to isolate them but if you're not worried about that and you're not playing to a click track (so doing drop-in/retakes isn't an option) then the balancing shouldn't be a problem. Personally I'd do it by recording guitar then recording voice, but I can't play and sing at the same time myself so idk if that makes the performance different in a bad way.

Gym Leader Barack
Oct 31, 2005

Grimey Drawer

sebmojo posted:

well, it might sound like crap, but no harm trying :)

re the guitar/voice, it's strongly preferable be able to isolate them but if you're not worried about that and you're not playing to a click track (so doing drop-in/retakes isn't an option) then the balancing shouldn't be a problem. Personally I'd do it by recording guitar then recording voice, but I can't play and sing at the same time myself so idk if that makes the performance different in a bad way.

It can make you feel naked/exposed when you sing without holding an instrument if you normally have hands and voice operating in tandem. I'd always leave the guitar unplugged in that situation, the vocal mic can catch some string noise but that's not always a bad thing and can be mitigated easily enough.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

I completely forgot to mention I mean talking in between playing, not singing. Oops! Basically gear demos, etc. Now that I think about it though it's not as complex as I was thinking for whatever reason.

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!
I'm using Audacity, and I have a sample that has a piece near the end I'd like to repeat as a rhythm. What's the best way to do this? I've tried copying a section and pasting it, but it never lines up properly and always sounds glitchy. Thanks for the help!

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









reaper has tools that can do that I think, and it's generally just vastly superior to audacity, I'd recommend making the leap

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


It's been a long time since I made the jump to a real DAW, but if I remember right the best way to stop that "glitchy" sound is to take the bit you want to repeat, put it on another track above or below the one you're working on, and then look in the effects menu for crossfade while you have both tracks selected. that'll make it fade neatly really fiddly and a pain in the rear end compared to audition or protools tho.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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hello thread, the guys over at the computer hardware thread in sh/sc suggested i come here with some voice recording hardware questions i have.

i've been asked to produce a series of microsoft excel 2016 let's plays for the office and i'm looking to ditch the integrated mic on my laptop.

i don't have a lot of experience, but i've worked with some at2035s in the past and i'd likely grab one now. i was also thinking of pairing it with a scarlet solo since my workflow is pretty simple single source stuff.

mount wise, things get a bit more awkward. i'll be recording from my desk and i'm using a bunch of wall-mounted displays in a portrait orientation. the center one is flat on the wall, the other two are slightly angled but i don't think i have the room to run a desk stand behind them. i haven't found a lot of wall mounted options although i'm admittedly probably not throwing the right words at google though.

finally, i have some concerns about the fact that i work in a smoking environment. i was thinking of using (and regularly replacing) pop foam covers to try and catch the worst of it, would that at least mitigate the damage somewhat? should i still get a pop filter as well?

i'm looking to stay under a $500 budget including all the bits and pieces, so if anyone has a complete setup to suggest or alternate products they think i should check out, feel free to suggest them!

i've sampled the thread a bit, i already found a bunch of neat things i didn't know, however i think i need a bit of hand-holding for these points.

looking forward to your input!

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!

sebmojo posted:

reaper has tools that can do that I think, and it's generally just vastly superior to audacity, I'd recommend making the leap

Wow, I didn't know about Reaper, so thanks for the heads up. It looks like it'll be really intuitive and powerful once I figure out how it works. I've been watching a few tutorials, still need to learn the basics though. And I see multiple tools that are related to looping! Awesome.


Grand Prize Winner posted:

It's been a long time since I made the jump to a real DAW, but if I remember right the best way to stop that "glitchy" sound is to take the bit you want to repeat, put it on another track above or below the one you're working on, and then look in the effects menu for crossfade while you have both tracks selected. that'll make it fade neatly really fiddly and a pain in the rear end compared to audition or protools tho.

It's funny because it's something I've often wanted to do with soundscapes I've recorded or bird songs and whatnot (lots of listening to the Books I think), but it's never worked out the way I want it to.

the numa numa song
Oct 3, 2006

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As a turbo noob to recording, I am thoroughly impressed with Reaper. The tutorial videos got me running quick. Well worth it for the price tag,and you get a full two months to try it.

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



So I jumped off the FL Studio ship that I started months ago and went back to Reaper. Everything I learned in those months with FL Studio I was able to learn in Reaper within an hour. Man what a waste of time.

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!

the numa numa song posted:

As a turbo noob to recording, I am thoroughly impressed with Reaper. The tutorial videos got me running quick. Well worth it for the price tag,and you get a full two months to try it.

Is there a tutorial you would recommend? I've watched two now, a 13 minute one, and a 20 minute, and I'm still missing some basics, like how to use my cursor to select a portion of an audio track, and how to normalize audio.

Greggster
Aug 14, 2010

s.i.r.e. posted:

So I jumped off the FL Studio ship that I started months ago and went back to Reaper. Everything I learned in those months with FL Studio I was able to learn in Reaper within an hour. Man what a waste of time.

The redeeming thing about FL studios is the pattern system though, even though it's a bit clunky it's really useful if you get used to it.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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DavidAlltheTime posted:

Is there a tutorial you would recommend? I've watched two now, a 13 minute one, and a 20 minute, and I'm still missing some basics, like how to use my cursor to select a portion of an audio track, and how to normalize audio.

normalise, click the audio block and hit f2 (item properties), normalize is a check box on the dialogue box that pops up. selection is the time bar along the top.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



surebet posted:

hello thread, the guys over at the computer hardware thread in sh/sc suggested i come here with some voice recording hardware questions i have.

i've been asked to produce a series of microsoft excel 2016 let's plays for the office and i'm looking to ditch the integrated mic on my laptop.

i don't have a lot of experience, but i've worked with some at2035s in the past and i'd likely grab one now. i was also thinking of pairing it with a scarlet solo since my workflow is pretty simple single source stuff.

mount wise, things get a bit more awkward. i'll be recording from my desk and i'm using a bunch of wall-mounted displays in a portrait orientation. the center one is flat on the wall, the other two are slightly angled but i don't think i have the room to run a desk stand behind them. i haven't found a lot of wall mounted options although i'm admittedly probably not throwing the right words at google though.

finally, i have some concerns about the fact that i work in a smoking environment. i was thinking of using (and regularly replacing) pop foam covers to try and catch the worst of it, would that at least mitigate the damage somewhat? should i still get a pop filter as well?

i'm looking to stay under a $500 budget including all the bits and pieces, so if anyone has a complete setup to suggest or alternate products they think i should check out, feel free to suggest them!

i've sampled the thread a bit, i already found a bunch of neat things i didn't know, however i think i need a bit of hand-holding for these points.

looking forward to your input!
You seem to be on the right track already with the hardware choices, so I'm not sure what hand holding to add.

You can wash regular foam covers under the tap, you don't need an endless supply of them. They'll stop most of whatever is coating everything when there's smoking indoors. But it would take many years of build up to actually damage a mic anyway, even though you'll lose all resale value on day one whatever you do, due to the smell.

You don't necessarily need a pop screen if you teach yourself a bit about microphone technique.

JohnnySmitch
Oct 20, 2004

Don't touch me there - Noone has that right.

DavidAlltheTime posted:

Is there a tutorial you would recommend? I've watched two now, a 13 minute one, and a 20 minute, and I'm still missing some basics, like how to use my cursor to select a portion of an audio track, and how to normalize audio.

When in doubt, right click on stuff. Reaper has tons of stuff jammed into context sensitive right click menus. For example, you can right click on a track to access normalizing, reversing, freezing, splitting, and tons on other commands.

JohnnySmitch
Oct 20, 2004

Don't touch me there - Noone has that right.

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You don't necessarily need a pop screen if you teach yourself a bit about microphone technique.

I use a metal pop filter that I'm pretty happy with - a metal one might help with your smoke/smell concern.

I agree that good form is the best solution, but a pop filter is still a great/cheap insurance policy in case you let your guard down or you're recording someone else. Removing pops in post is a pain in the rear end.

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!

sebmojo posted:

normalise, click the audio block and hit f2 (item properties), normalize is a check box on the dialogue box that pops up. selection is the time bar along the top.

Nice! Thanks. My issue with selecting was that 'snap to' is on by default, making it hard to select what I wanted. Got it now :)

JohnnySmitch posted:

When in doubt, right click on stuff. Reaper has tons of stuff jammed into context sensitive right click menus. For example, you can right click on a track to access normalizing, reversing, freezing, splitting, and tons on other commands.

This is very helpful, thank you!

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Flipperwaldt posted:

You seem to be on the right track already with the hardware choices, so I'm not sure what hand holding to add.

You can wash regular foam covers under the tap, you don't need an endless supply of them. They'll stop most of whatever is coating everything when there's smoking indoors. But it would take many years of build up to actually damage a mic anyway, even though you'll lose all resale value on day one whatever you do, due to the smell.

You don't necessarily need a pop screen if you teach yourself a bit about microphone technique.

thanks! i guess just getting a confirmation that i'm not massively loving up somehow is already pretty good hand holding.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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just realized i skipped the noob-iest question of them all: where do i buy all of this stuff? i'd rather a single retailer for everything, sweetwater seems like a nice place to grab all my stuff in one go, anything else i should look at?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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DavidAlltheTime posted:

Nice! Thanks. My issue with selecting was that 'snap to' is on by default, making it hard to select what I wanted. Got it now :)


This is very helpful, thank you!

reaper does snap to beat by default, you can do free move by holding down.. ctrl shift, or something? but the better way is to drag the upside down triangle at the top of the screen (scrubbing).

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



surebet posted:

just realized i skipped the noob-iest question of them all: where do i buy all of this stuff? i'd rather a single retailer for everything, sweetwater seems like a nice place to grab all my stuff in one go, anything else i should look at?
Small audio interfaces have great online availability of drivers and software and aren't very likely to see any real wear and tear. See if someone is offering one used after upgrading to something beefier. Watch out if -like the Solo- more than one generation of the thing is available. You probably do want the newer one. Or look into the drawbacks of the older model if it saves you a significant amount of money. At the very least you'll want one that has drivers for your operating system from the manufacturer, if you're looking at other ones as well.

I bought a Roland Quad Capture from a local pawn shop for ~$90. Lacked the box, the driver cds and the usb cable, but who cares. As new otherwise and $160 off retail. Also bought an NI Traktor Audio 2 interface for half off from some random guy.

I'm paranoid enough not to risk the same for something like a microphone without being able to test it though.

Sweetwater should be good, but I'm not American so :shrug:

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
I found the following two items at a pawn shop and was wondering if either had any value. They have been at the shop for quite a while so I bet I could haggle these down considerably from their listed price.

Presonus Studio Channel - Tube Preamp ($149)
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...XBoCCXYQAvD_BwE

BBE 882i Maximizer Effect ($99)
https://www.amazon.com/BBE-Sound-882i-Sonic-Maximizer/dp/B0002CZU56

My guess is I could get these for half of the listed price but I have very little knowledge about rack-mount gear since I mostly work in the box.

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!
Speaking of audio interfaces, in the past when recording into Audacity on my laptop, I've used my Zoom H2 as a recording interface. I use the H2 as my microphone for vocals/other live instruments, which plugs into the laptop via usb. If I'm playing a keyboard, I plug it into the 'line in' on the H2. I don't see this setup mentioned anywhere, but instead people use a purpose-built recording interface. What's the advantage?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



DavidAlltheTime posted:

Speaking of audio interfaces, in the past when recording into Audacity on my laptop, I've used my Zoom H2 as a recording interface. I use the H2 as my microphone for vocals/other live instruments, which plugs into the laptop via usb. If I'm playing a keyboard, I plug it into the 'line in' on the H2. I don't see this setup mentioned anywhere, but instead people use a purpose-built recording interface. What's the advantage?
It's a decent setup for what you're doing with it; nothing wrong with it.

Other people might prefer (having a selection of) other microphones because of character, noise floor or whatever.

Other interfaces have more input/output and internal routing options, allowing for multi mic setups, direct input of guitars or the use of outboard gear. Or traditional midi devices, sometimes. Multiple headphone outputs with different mixes. Things like that.

I don't think the H2 has low latency drivers (though I'm not sure). But an audio interface that does, will allow you to use software effects on captured audio and hear the result live without annoying latency delay. Good for guitar amp simulators or singers who need a touch of reverb in their headphones. You can also use software synthesizers with midi input devices (keyboards etc) in real time without delay.

These are often things people are specifically looking for. I'm guessing that a lot of people are also simply unaware some field recorders have audio interfaces in them.

DavidAlltheTime
Feb 14, 2008

All David...all the TIME!

Flipperwaldt posted:

I don't think the H2 has low latency drivers (though I'm not sure). But an audio interface that does, will allow you to use software effects on captured audio and hear the result live without annoying latency delay. Good for guitar amp simulators or singers who need a touch of reverb in their headphones. You can also use software synthesizers with midi input devices (keyboards etc) in real time without delay.

This is a big advantage. The number of times I have to apply an effect to a track, listen to it, edit/undo, tweak and repeat is crazy.
Thanks for outlining the differences.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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ASIO drivers are the trick for low latency recording.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

Also, the H2 is just pretty noisy in general, especially the microphone. That's not to say it's not a good little machine, but its definitely not designed for how you're using it is the main thing. I used to use the H2 to record stuff, and my first demos involved using it to record vocals and also running my Xbox through it to use Rocksmith's amp simulation back when it first came out, but when I finally stepped up to the Focusrite Saffire Pro 40, it was night and day in terms of audio quality and ease of use.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Flipperwaldt posted:

Small audio interfaces have great online availability of drivers and software and aren't very likely to see any real wear and tear. See if someone is offering one used after upgrading to something beefier. Watch out if -like the Solo- more than one generation of the thing is available. You probably do want the newer one. Or look into the drawbacks of the older model if it saves you a significant amount of money. At the very least you'll want one that has drivers for your operating system from the manufacturer, if you're looking at other ones as well.

I bought a Roland Quad Capture from a local pawn shop for ~$90. Lacked the box, the driver cds and the usb cable, but who cares. As new otherwise and $160 off retail. Also bought an NI Traktor Audio 2 interface for half off from some random guy.

I'm paranoid enough not to risk the same for something like a microphone without being able to test it though.

Sweetwater should be good, but I'm not American so :shrug:

oh drat, there's a bunch of options in my local classifieds, i'll have to start comparing. i originally thought about the scarlett solo since it seemed like a nice, safe default choice, is there other stuff i should keep an eye out?

i play exactly zero instruments and this really just is for voice, maybe having another xlr in could be interesting on the off chance i need to record an interview but that seems edge case-y as hell.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









yeah Scarlett solo is a good choice.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

MrSargent posted:

I found the following two items at a pawn shop and was wondering if either had any value. They have been at the shop for quite a while so I bet I could haggle these down considerably from their listed price.

Presonus Studio Channel - Tube Preamp ($149)
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...XBoCCXYQAvD_BwE

BBE 882i Maximizer Effect ($99)
https://www.amazon.com/BBE-Sound-882i-Sonic-Maximizer/dp/B0002CZU56

My guess is I could get these for half of the listed price but I have very little knowledge about rack-mount gear since I mostly work in the box.

Shameless bump on this.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

MrSargent posted:

Shameless bump on this.

Gear prices are very transparent nowadays. Check Reverb, check eBay sales in the last few months, do a search on the TGP classifieds. You should be able to find an expected price for them.

aunt jenkins
Jan 12, 2001

This is 100% a matter of opinion, but I don't think standalone external preamps are worth it (assuming you have a reasonably modern and reasonably good-quality interface) until you get into the $500+ price range.

And BBEs are super polarizing. I used to have one (that I bought from Lowtax in fact ;-*) but I had a friend help me do a blind A/B with it and found I preferred tracks without it so I sold it.

MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.
Thanks a lot guys!

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I want to start using my H4Zoom as a usb mic with a DAW. Recordings with Audacity are coming out weird and tunnel-ish and poo poo but Reaper sounds good enough. Any tips and stuff to keep in mind for recording with a usb Zoom?

EDIT:
Like I have literally no idea about using DAWs. Did this with two tracks, one for guitar and one for vocal, what are some basic ways I can improve?
https://soundcloud.com/elijah-fynmore/body-of-an-american-demo

Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 28, 2017

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Thanks to the goons that recommended the ATH M50X headphones, I just snagged them for $90 on eBay and they're basically brand new. Loving them.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Coohoolin posted:

I want to start using my H4Zoom as a usb mic with a DAW. Recordings with Audacity are coming out weird and tunnel-ish and poo poo but Reaper sounds good enough. Any tips and stuff to keep in mind for recording with a usb Zoom?

EDIT:
Like I have literally no idea about using DAWs. Did this with two tracks, one for guitar and one for vocal, what are some basic ways I can improve?
https://soundcloud.com/elijah-fynmore/body-of-an-american-demo

Nope, that sounds pretty solid to me, nice voice! If it was me I'd probably give the guitar a little light compression, but it sounds decent now imo.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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warranty chat: my rear end is in canada, and i've been advised by one of the reps over at sweetwater that if i purchase audio technica gear from a us source i might have issues with getting work done at my local service center.

i haven't been able to confirm this on at's site (and every time i remember to look into this it's some crazy time at night so i can't call them), anyone have have experience with a situation like this? i'd much rather source my gear through an american vendor since even after shipping, duty and currency conversion i'm looking at $2-300 in savings.

i've never had this issue with anything else, and i suspect the dude was just trying to upsell me their internal warranty service.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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apparently, after currency conversion & shipping, the savings were pretty tame so i bit the bullet and bought an at2035/solo-mk2 setup from a local store. i'll post some pictures once i've had the time to assemble everything over the week-end.

since this is the first time i work with something not laptop integrated, any tips and tricks to not damage my new stuff and get the best sound out of it would be greatly appreciated!

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surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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managed to sneak some time to get stuff installed, here's the current look:


(apologies for the tight crop, my current cable management is literally shameful)

the interface is up front for now since i need to switch between speakers and headphones; it might stay there since a hardware knob to control volume is kinda nice.

i had a pop filter, but the mount didn't agree with the stand because of the square tubes. i've seen some shock mount + pop filter combos, but i'd rather get something i can attach to my current shock mount. are those a thing?

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