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Rigel posted:I don't want a zombie president. They eat brains. and look - the right's control over the media narrative forces another perfectly qualified democrat out of contention.
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the best thing about people repeating "bernie would have won" is that he didn't so when people ironically repeat it enough until they end up believing it they put themselves in the position of denying reality, which is lol
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Jul 20, 2017 22:25
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I hear OJ needs a job
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i mean he would have pretty obviously.
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boner confessor posted:the best thing about people repeating "bernie would have won" is that he didn't so when people ironically repeat it enough until they end up believing it they put themselves in the position of denying reality, which is lol This, but in reality Bernie would've won.
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Sanders is one thousand years old, give or take a couple hours, there is no way he's running again. 2016 was has chance, although I wish he would have won. He's good in a leadership position. Would Kirsten Gillibrand be viewed as "another female senator from NY just like Clinton"?
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Crows Turn Off posted:Sanders is one thousand years old, give or take a couple hours, there is no way he's running again. 2016 was has chance, although I wish he would have won. He's good in a leadership position. He's doing everything you would do to get ready to run. He might not run but he's seriously thinking about it.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Sanders is one thousand years old, give or take a couple hours, there is no way he's running again. 2016 was has chance, although I wish he would have won. He's good in a leadership position. She supports the anti-BDS bill and is thus unacceptable to the left.
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you mean unacceptable to anyone who cares about freedom o speech.
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Groovelord Neato posted:you mean unacceptable to anyone who cares about freedom o speech. Just like zombie FDR, then?
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Trabisnikof posted:She supports the anti-BDS bill and is thus unacceptable to the left. Bernie will probably vote for that piece of poo poo if it gets a vote.
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Rigel posted:I don't want a zombie president. They eat brains. Which means all the Republicans would be safe too, another red senate
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Rigel posted:I don't want a zombie president. They eat brains. Doesn't have to be human, or living brains for that matter. And if so, well we got enough Republicans to tide them over until we've gotten what we need out of them.
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He's not "young" but Sherrod Brown is still my pick for 2020.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Sanders is one thousand years old, give or take a couple hours, there is no way he's running again. 2016 was has chance, although I wish he would have won. He's good in a leadership position.  but also disagreed he will run if needbe. but also agreed cause we need someone younger and bernie would be good in a leadership position Trabisnikof posted:She supports the anti-BDS bill and is thus unacceptable to the left. is that not unacceptable to you? 
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Hellblazer187 posted:He's not "young" but Sherrod Brown is still my pick for 2020. If Bernie doesn't run I hope he gets behind someone like Brown early.
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boner confessor posted:the best thing about people repeating "bernie would have won" is that he didn't so when people ironically repeat it enough until they end up believing it they put themselves in the position of denying reality, which is lol My objection to "bernie would have won" (probably true though) is that its not productive, and seems to have an implied ", you idiot" unspoken at the end of it, which makes other Dems who voted for someone else defensive. A better line is "well, that didn't work, maybe we can try convincing people that progressives are right"
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Groovelord Neato posted:i mean he would have pretty obviously. i mena yeah, if he hadn't had lost the election he would have won th election i guess but he didnt tho
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excuse me the rules clearly state that we shall not re litigate the primary clear as day
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Condiv posted:is that not unacceptable to you? I judge candidates based on a more holistic metric than these single issues. That's how I was able to vote for Obama in 2012 even after he didn't free the slaves his administration uses in factories.
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Rigel posted:My objection to "bernie would have won" (probably true though) is that its not productive, and seems to have an implied ", you idiot" unspoken at the end of it, which makes other Dems who voted for someone else defensive. A better line is "well, that didn't work, maybe we can try convincing people that progressives are right" It is productive. It's just as much forward looking as it is a comment on 2016. It's about where the party needs to be in 18 and 20 if it's gonna maximize it's wins.
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theflyingorc posted:It can be manufactured. Being a threat to republicans generates "baggage". The result of this is that Democrats can't build anyone up to have a "name" because the Republicans will use that as a signal to smear them. There's no-one in politics clean enough to be immune to years of constant generation of smoke. Looking forward to Senator Neverheardofhim as the candidate for the Democratic party in 2020.
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Our president is a literal child.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I hear OJ needs a job Trump should offer OJ a position. I'm sure juice would take a stab at it. Maybe he'd make a killing in Washington. I hear the hours are murder, though.
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Starmaker posted:What was FDR's slogan? Can we just steal that? "Happy Days Are Here Again" So, not really.
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Trabisnikof posted:She supports the anti-BDS bill and is thus unacceptable to the left. As long as their policies align with mine the overwhelming majority of the time, I feel that's better than any previous President.
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lol imagine being the kind of person that whined about obama being undignified and then watching that loving clip and going THAT'S OUR BIG STRONG BOY!
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That new slogan would be improved if they replaced everything after "A Better Deal" with "A Better America". Comedy option: Replace or add "A Better Tomorrow" 
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Bicyclops posted:Like my pet bird died around the same time Antonin Scalia did, and if a magical creature had appeared and given me the choice between bringing one of the two of them back to life, I would still have my pet bird, and I don't even think that makes me a bad person. With the benefit of hindsight, I'd have given Scalia his life back with the condition that he survives Trump's term.
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Trabisnikof posted:She supports the anti-BDS bill and is thus unacceptable to the left. There is no room in the party right now for a nominee who is where I am on Israel. That is just reality... BarbarianElephant posted:The result of this is that Democrats can't build anyone up to have a "name" because the Republicans will use that as a signal to smear them. There's no-one in politics clean enough to be immune to years of constant generation of smoke. I'm fine with President Murphy.
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regarding the anti-BDS bill, from what I've read, people are overreacting to it. I mean, yes it is a terrible bill that should have no support, but the reaction from almost every Dem senator when the ACLU came out against is basically "wait, what? The bill really does that? I'll have to look into it, I had no idea." They hadn't studied it, they just saw something that looked innocuous from what seemed to be a pro-Israel group and said "sure, I'll support it." The legislation probably doesn't even discuss horrifying penalties for boycotting, it probably just says "these activities are now added to the list on this subsection", and you have to dig up all the references and discuss it with lawyers before you figure it out. The ACLU did the hard work and said "hey dumbasses, stop supporting this"
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Young Freud posted:That new slogan would be improved if they replaced everything after "A Better Deal" with "A Better America". A Better Tomorrow 2 was better
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BarbarianElephant posted:Looking forward to Senator Neverheardofhim as the candidate for the Democratic party in 2020. So... Obama 2.0? Sounds fine by me.
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BarbarianElephant posted:The result of this is that Democrats can't build anyone up to have a "name" because the Republicans will use that as a signal to smear them. There's no-one in politics clean enough to be immune to years of constant generation of smoke. I think Trump presents a real chance to nominate someone human that's not a senator or governor. A small town mayor would even be an amazing candidate if they were human and could run a good campaign. Winning 2020 will be about showing the American people that Democrats are better servants and are more in touch with everyday America. We don't need an existing nation Neal figure to run.
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theflyingorc posted:hahaha holy poo poo yes it can, it just takes time. Obama spent nearly 10 years in office and they literally gave up trying to find dirt on him and just went ahead with Hillary.
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Bicyclops posted:The Dems Scream Death as OCare dies! -Democratic Party, 2018 Democrats 2018: Death Screamers sounds pretty sick
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Rigel posted:My objection to "bernie would have won" (probably true though) is that its not productive, and seems to have an implied ", you idiot" unspoken at the end of it, which makes other Dems who voted for someone else defensive. A better line is "well, that didn't work, maybe we can try convincing people that progressives are right" Bernie would have won against Trump. I think Bernie would have lost against Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio. I also think Clinton would have won against Bush or Rubio. I don't think supporting Clinton was dumb (since I did support Clinton!). Under the normal rules of politics, Clinton wins, and against any other republican we're playing by the normal rules. Supporting Clinton just meant you didn't see the extent to which the rules were destroyed. I think most Bernie people ALSO didn't see that the rules were broken - some did, but most people assumed Clinton was winning. Now, the rules ARE broken, and I believe they remain broken at least through 2020. So we need someone who is not exactly a buttoned up perfectionist like Clinton.
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Jaxyon posted:Obama spent nearly 10 years in office and they literally gave up trying to find dirt on him and just went ahead with Hillary. Lol someone has already forgotten about birtherism, fast and furious, Jade helm, etc.
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BarbarianElephant posted:The result of this is that Democrats can't build anyone up to have a "name" because the Republicans will use that as a signal to smear them. There's no-one in politics clean enough to be immune to years of constant generation of smoke. This was pretty much literally Obama though.
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