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Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

DuckConference posted:

ugh late starts make it way harder to schedule doing stuff in the evening

where are you from where late starts actually translates into late ends

cuz like, i think the avg office hours are officially 11am to 4pm

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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Sniep posted:

where are you from where late starts actually translates into late ends

cuz like, i think the avg office hours are officially 11am to 4pm

its this. my midwestern brain cant handle it at all. we feel guilty if we're not 15 minutes early and the last to leave.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
sssh don't tell anyone but the a lot of the techbro dudes who claim to do eighty hour weeks and thats why they get paid so much are lying.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


i show up at 10 and leave around 5

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER
I show up at 1 or 2 and leave around 7 or 8, though sometimes 10 if I feel like I'm being really productive.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy
7 to 3:30. Sleeping in isn't my thing

buttchugging adderall
May 7, 2007

COME GET SOME

cis autodrag posted:

my boss yesterday : people usually get here around 945
me today at 830: oh he was being serious.

I like getting to the office early because I can get a good start to my day without distractions.

MononcQc
May 29, 2007

Carepost:

Stymie posted:

yeah basically if you can't explain what you do, it's not because it's beyond the ken of mortal men, it's that you don't know how to communicate or teach properly

being good at teaching is a learned skill just like anything else and if you haven't bothered to learn it, it's your problem when you can't explain things effectively to others

that really depends on what you do and how much accuracy you want. Some jobs work in obscure corners of industries some people don't even know exist, and some people don't know the difference between "the internet" and outlook.

I found it hard to explain what the hell was going on when I was working on real-time bidding optimization for retargeting campains. Ended up just saying "we run an auction system for the ads you hate on facebook and have to make it fast".

I found it near impossible to explain what my job at Heroku was. Like what the gently caress is a proxy, an HTTP server, or a log router anyway? How do you start to explain certificate management and SSL termination to someone who doesn't even know what a website is? I ended up giving up and saying I worked on hosting websites for other businesses, which was still confusing enough as a concept -- people who knew what a website was and had a brief idea of things thought I managed server racks. Saying just "I'm a programmer" would have carried near 0 information but would have left them with a more accurate picture of my job.


The core of it is that explaining something requires bridging the gap between what the person knows and what you want the person to know. You can do it carefully over a longer period of time so the other person gets all the intricacies, or you can do a fast job going for the broad strokes and outlines. In some cases though the gap is so large that at best the approximation you'll create is going to be so coarse that it's wrong for the vast majority of cases and it will be unclear whether you helped them understand or actually instilled bad concepts.

Take for example explaining the following topics to a 12 years old:

- good: explaining relativity through the "man on a moving train" frame of reference so people get an intuitive feel for it
- okay: showing a subatomic model stopping at protons, neutrons, and electrons (good enough, who needs to know about quarks and leptons and bosons)
- bad: whatever people try to do with explaining quantum physics and you end up with "anything is possible through the magic of entanglement" as a deus ex machina in lovely scifi
- oh god why did you get into this: explaining how quantum computing works

"If you can't explain it in one sentence you don't understand it well enough" is a good rule of thumb, but it has heavy assumptions about the expected background of the person you're explaining it to. The fun part is figuring out at which point trying to give a short and brief explanation harms more than it helps.

To put it another way, even if specialists really understand how to remove an infected appendix with little risk, they won't teach laypeople how to do it, and every regular person will just stick to heimlich and CPR for the most part.

MononcQc fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Jul 20, 2017

mod saas
May 4, 2004

Grimey Drawer

MononcQc posted:

Carepost:


that really depends on what you do and how much accuracy you want. Some jobs work in obscure corners of industries some people don't even know exist, and some people don't know the difference between "the internet" and outlook.

I found it hard to explain what the hell was going on when I was working on real-time bidding optimization for retargeting campains. Ended up just saying "we run an auction system for the ads you hate on facebook and have to make it fast".

I found it near impossible to explain what my job at Heroku was. Like what the gently caress is a proxy, an HTTP server, or a log router anyway? How do you start to explain certificate management and SSL termination to someone who doesn't even know what a website is? I ended up giving up and saying I worked on hosting websites for other businesses, which was still confusing enough as a concept -- people who knew what a website was and had a brief idea of things thought I managed server racks. Saying just "I'm a programmer" would have carried near 0 information but would have left them with a more accurate picture of my job.

"i'm basically an air traffic controller for the internet. i make sure the websites don't hit each other on the way to your computer"

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
"I made your iPhone" --me explaining what I do at work

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

The Management posted:

"I made your iPhone" --me explaining what I do at work

"I made the LCD screen in your iPhone work" --me explaining what I do at work

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

ratbert90 posted:

"I made the LCD screen in your iPhone work" --me explaining what I do at work

"i grew up in a decee environment that afforded me an education to obtain employment that pays me well enough that i never have to subject myself to the malware and ad infested clown show that is anroid" --me explaining what i do at work

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

finally csught back up and reading all the posts in this thread really makes me feel like i am missing out by not replying to all these big tech company recruitment emails. on the other hand i really don't want to move to the west coast

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

"it's really boring" -me explaining what i do at work

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

'nerd poo poo'

describe what I do at work also where I do my yosposting

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

also my yosposting, minus the nerd

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

The Management posted:

"I made your iPhone" --me explaining what I do at work

I'm surprised you have the energy to post here after your 60 hour shift at Foxconn (and also surprised you're not blocked by the Great Firewall! How's Shenzhen today?)

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

i always try to go with just "i work on a website" but fuckers keep asking follow-up questions

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Big interview today, it's for a fairly senior position at an SEO firm. I don't have all the skills listed for the job but they know this and still want to interview, so I'm hoping it's not a problem.

Stymie
Jan 9, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
here's a very quick, accurate and precise way of explaining tech jobs: "i leech money from the productive sectors of society to enrich myself and degrade society as a whole"

easy peasy

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Stymie posted:

here's a very quick, accurate and precise way of explaining tech jobs: "i leech money from the productive sectors of society to enrich myself and degrade society as a whole"

easy peasy

No need to trash talk lowtax like that, he's actually an okay guy

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

anime motherfucking dogtits

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

PCjr sidecar posted:

'nerd poo poo'

describe what I do at work also where I do my yosposting

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
We just had a meeting on a new employee handbook. After the meeting they wanted everybody to sign it immediately "it's just an acknowledgment that you received it!" was their reasoning, which it wasn't. The end of the signature page was "I agree to follow and adhere to everything in this book I received".

I didn't sign because there was a non-compete in it. What I did instead was scratch out all of the non-compete bullshit, go to the CEO, and told him I needed his signature next to it.
We argued for around half an hour or so, and eventually, I said: I won't sign a non-compete unless you give me my raise you squelched on or equity. He signed immediately. No non-compete for me! (Also I don't care if he fires me tomorrow, I have 8 months of savings.)

FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 20, 2017

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

ratbert90 posted:

We just had a meeting on a new employee handbook. After the meeting they wanted everybody to sign it immediately "it's just an acknowledgment that you received it!" was their reasoning, which it wasn't. The end of the signature page was "I agree to follow and adhere to everything in this book I received".

I didn't sign because there was a non-compete in it. What I did instead was scratch out all of the non-compete bullshit, go to the CEO, and told him I needed his signature next to it.
We argued for around half an hour or so, and eventually, I said: I won't sign a non-compete unless you give me my raise you squelched on or equity. He signed immediately. No non-compete for me! (Also I don't care if he fires me tomorrow, I have 8 months of savings.)

gently caress yeah

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

gently caress yeah

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

feedmegin posted:

How's Shenzhen today?

answer hazy, ask again later

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

gently caress yeah

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

ratbert90 posted:

We just had a meeting on a new employee handbook. After the meeting they wanted everybody to sign it immediately "it's just an acknowledgment that you received it!" was their reasoning, which it wasn't. The end of the signature page was "I agree to follow and adhere to everything in this book I received".

I didn't sign because there was a non-compete in it. What I did instead was scratch out all of the non-compete bullshit, go to the CEO, and told him I needed his signature next to it.
We argued for around half an hour or so, and eventually, I said: I won't sign a non-compete unless you give me my raise you squelched on or equity. He signed immediately. No non-compete for me! (Also I don't care if he fires me tomorrow, I have 8 months of savings.)

arent non-competes illegal/unenforceable?

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

Raluek posted:

arent non-competes illegal/unenforceable?
it heavily depends on the state and how much of an rear end in a top hat the company wants to be

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Raluek posted:

arent non-competes illegal/unenforceable?
in cali there are

other states...not so much

(other states are also hilariously unwilling to duplicate california's One Weird Trick to attract tech workers and tech jobs)

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

The company I work for is under new management (thank god), but the previous owners fired a guy (for pretty lovely reasons) and then took him to court when he got a new job at a company tangentially related to ours for a non compete.

I wasn't here for any of that but apparently they thought found out about it on linked in, and now no one tells anyone where they're going when they give notice, and I'll follow suit when I leave because that kind of lovely culture lingers even after the root cause has left

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

FMguru posted:

in cali there are

other states...not so much

(other states are also hilariously unwilling to duplicate california's One Weird Trick to attract tech workers and tech jobs)

get lucky with the federal government needing research into radar during wwii?

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

feedmegin posted:

I'm surprised you have the energy to post here after your 60 hour shift at Foxconn (and also surprised you're not blocked by the Great Firewall! How's Shenzhen today?)

LordSaturn posted:

answer hazy, ask again later

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



no but see noncompetes protect the company's investment in the employee's skill in the form of training paid for by the compahahaha

Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

current whiteboarding status:
still jumping into the poo poo too quick and having to backtrack through my garbage code when i hit a dead end
overall better than last time though

edit: also i take too long whiteboarding and then i didnt get to ask all the good question i had ready =(

Shaman Linavi fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jul 21, 2017

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Cocoa Crispies posted:

get lucky with the federal government needing research into radar during wwii?

a lot of that was done at MIT too though and while boston is a bit of a tech hub its not silicon valley

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

feedmegin posted:

I'm surprised you have the energy to post here after your 60 hour shift at Foxconn (and also surprised you're not blocked by the Great Firewall! How's Shenzhen today?)

I flew 12 hours to Hong Kong, crossed the border to Shenzhen, arrived at the factory at 8am, worked an entire day, then went out for drinks. so I know what it's like.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


had that seo interview today. i think i did okay but not amazing, but i always seem to get the jobs where i feel i sucked on the interview, so it's probably in the bag.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


i also never succeed in the interviews i think i nailed. my theory on that is when the interviewers are genuinely interested they will put effort in probing the absolute poo poo out of you, and will generally go quiet when they've lost interest (but also unintentionally making it seem like you've answered their questions adequately)? idk it's weird

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Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
i think if you connect while you interview and can dispose of the formality a bit and just share a conversation it seems best?

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