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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
monasticism is the only moral way of life, hth

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papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
acting like democrats haven't been hand in hand with destroying American education is complicity

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

papa horny michael posted:

acting like democrats haven't been hand in hand with destroying American education is complicity

Don’t Like Betsy DeVos? Blame the Democrats. The Democratic Party paved the way for the education secretary's efforts to privatize our public schools.

via Diane Ravitch at the New Republic.

ravitch posted:

As Democrats learned years ago, support for mandatory testing and charter schools opens fat wallets on Wall Street. Money guys love deregulation, testing and Big Data, and union-busting. In 2005, Obama served as the featured speaker at the inaugural gathering of Democrats for Education Reform, which bundles contributions to Democrats who back charter schools: Among its favorites have been those sharp DeVos critics George Miller, Michael Bennet, and Cory Booker. Conservative funders like the Walton Foundation also give generously to charter schools and liberal think tanks such as the Center for American Progress.

The money had its intended effect. When Andrew Cuomo decided to run for governor of New York, he learned that the way to raise cash was to go through the hedge funders at Democrats for Education Reform. They backed him lavishly, and Cuomo repaid them by becoming a hero of the charter movement. Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy, often celebrated for his unvarnished liberalism, is another champion of the charter industry; some of its biggest funders live in his state. California Governor Jerry Brown vetoed a bill to ban for-profit charters in the state, and has resisted efforts to make charters more accountable. As mayor of Oakland, he opened two charter schools.

Pretty brutal. Any advice for Dems?

ravitch posted:

This is what Democrats should be yelling about. And if there’s ever a moment for them to reclaim their mantle as the party of public education, it’s now. The misguided push for “reform” is currently being led not by Obama and Duncan, but by Trump and DeVos, giving Democrats an opening to shift gears on education—though they’ll lose some of that hedge-fund money. But if 2016 taught Democrats anything, it’s how unwise it was to allow the demolition of organized labor—including teachers’ unions, once a great source of money and grassroots energy. The party needs strong teachers’ unions and it needs their enthusiasm.

The agenda isn’t complicated. Fight privatization of all kinds. Insist on an evidence-based debate about charter schools and vouchers. Abandon the obsession with testing. Fight for equitable funding, with public money flowing to the neediest schools. Acknowledge the importance of well-educated, professional teachers in every classroom.

Interesting. Are any Dems leading the charge here?

ravitch posted:

Follow the example of Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, who vetoed a bill to expand charters in March.

ugh. anyone else?

quote:

Or Montana Governor Steve Bullock, who insists that charters employ certified teachers, allow them to unionize, and fall under the control of local school districts. Democrats should take their cue from Bullock when he declares, “I continue to firmly believe that our public education system is the great equalizer.”


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Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
if student debt were an ocean, you can call me a stationary shark, because i am literally loving drowning in it.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Gene Hackman Fan posted:

if student debt were an ocean, you can call me a stationary shark, because i am literally loving drowning in it.

what kind of stupid shark drowns. you're an apex predator, devour all those other student loan suckers :black101:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


actually im also going to blame betsy devos, horrible person and republican

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Yinlock posted:

actually im also going to blame betsy devos, horrible person and republican

and if you had read the article, you would've seen where it was all started with bill clinton (horrible person and neoliberal) with his "goal 2000s" program.

devos is just the extrapolation of bill clinton's free-market solutions.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Bill Clinton was more damaging to the country than W in all aspects but national security and foreign policy.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/ShitpostBot5000/status/888541695738032129

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
Checks out.

I Am A Robot
Jul 1, 2006
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/888438789949075458

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
The enemy of whom though?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Bahahahaha

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Condiv posted:

what kind of stupid shark drowns. you're an apex predator, devour all those other student loan suckers :black101:

"stationary" is the key word there.

Because sharks will suffocate if they don't continuously swim forward.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

the ancient one

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

lmao

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

ThndrShk2k posted:

The enemy of whom though?

humanity

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

if, this time five years ago, you were to tell me that a bot full of template and meme images would, on curation, randomly produce some of the most accurate and on-point memes, i would have laughed in your face.

but who's laughing now, huh? who's laughing now?!






...it's still me, because shitpostbot5000 is great.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Maybe he'll surpass humanity.

Zuckanity.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

and if you had read the article, you would've seen where it was all started with bill clinton (horrible person and neoliberal) with his "goal 2000s" program.

devos is just the extrapolation of bill clinton's free-market solutions.

i'm pretty sure she's also horrible though

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Remember when 3 or 4 years back, Obama went out and spoke about decreasing unemployment with community college grants/subsidies?

Skills, jobs, wages is the exact same thing. It frames the debate as a "skills" problem, not a shortage of jobs - and why "jobs" and not "careers"? - and links 40 years of wage stagnation as a consequence. You would get the wage if you had the good job if you had the "skills." You don't have the skills therefore why should you expect a better job or a better wage?

Of course, this is undoubtedly music to the ears of the privatized school movement and to all corporations with an interest in wage suppression.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

she is

and her horribleness is relevant because of democrats

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-budget-education-idUSTRE81C1Z620120213/

lmao

quote:


The centerpiece of the education budget was an $8 billion Community College to Career Fund, which aims to train 2 million workers for jobs in fields such as high-tech manufacturing, clean energy and healthcare.

The initiative would encourage partnerships between two-year colleges and local businesses to identify in-demand skills and develop courses that help build them. It would also finance online and in-person training for up to 600,000 aspiring entrepreneurs.


quote:


Education Secretary Arne Duncan said the College to Career initiative relied on community colleges developing strong relationships with local employers, who could help design courses and degree programs to "train workers for skills that businesses are looking for right now." The businesses would also be expected to offer apprenticeships.

Duncan cited as models community colleges in Nevada that are ramping up nursing programs to meet local demand and schools in Florida that cater to a growing fashion industry. "It's really important that this not be driven by us in Washington," but be based on local business needs, Duncan said.


quote:

Obama also asked Congress to direct $1.1 billion to improve vocational and technical education at the secondary-school level. He proposed spending a further $1 billion on high-school "career academies" that train future workers in industries such as health care or information technology.

The Democrats are going to retread an Obama era "skills" program and make it the centerpiece of their attempt to win in the next cycle.

They have learned nothing.

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

bedpan posted:

Remember when 3 or 4 years back, Obama went out and spoke about decreasing unemployment with community college grants/subsidies?

Skills, jobs, wages is the exact same thing. It frames the debate as a "skills" problem, not a shortage of jobs - and why "jobs" and not "careers"? - and links 40 years of wage stagnation as a consequence. You would get the wage if you had the good job if you had the "skills." You don't have the skills therefore why should you expect a better job or a better wage?

Of course, this is undoubtedly music to the ears of the privatized school movement and to all corporations with an interest in wage suppression.

Oh no there are plenty of jobs, but they're garbage jobs that will still get you evicted at the end of the month because you're getting little hours. There was a good report on the subject a few months ago. I made a post about it but i cant find it now

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
the democrats are bad

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
https://twitter.com/frandrescher/status/709928715975667712


:eyepop:

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/frandrescher/status/888163832559935488

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE


the nanny is a revolutionary?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Scent of Worf posted:

the nanny is a revolutionary?



looks like a green party member to me

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Scent of Worf posted:

Oh no there are plenty of jobs, but they're garbage jobs that will still get you evicted at the end of the month because you're getting little hours. There was a good report on the subject a few months ago. I made a post about it but i cant find it now

Well that goes without saying. You don't have the skills, so garbage job for you. If you had better skills, a better job and better wage would naturally follow.

bedpan has issued a correction as of 02:02 on Jul 22, 2017

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Here's probably an accurate representation of how she feels about Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqeatUvRu68

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Also if you don't think UHF is the best movie then :shrug:

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
John McCain got cancer everyone raise the roof except John McCain his shoulders don't work

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Fran Drescher is a self avowed socialist*.

Also sympathetic to the Green party but eh, who cares.



*An anti-capitalist hybrid system, so that could mean a lot I guess

AstheWorldWorlds has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Jul 22, 2017

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
tony blair is also a self-avowed socialist

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

deadgoon posted:

tony blair is also a self-avowed socialist

yeah on second thought its a useless sentiment.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Scent of Worf posted:

the nanny is a revolutionary?

:lol:

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Usually the Vox podcast is tolerable but they did one on basic income and it's just a one hour rant about how basic income is bad and strict means testing is good :negative:

MaxxBot has issued a correction as of 02:24 on Jul 22, 2017

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

loquacius posted:

Yeah guys I dunno, "education is just a way to justify paying people less" is too much of a galaxy-brain take for me

and I realize this thread might be the wrong audience for me to say this, but it's too much of a galaxy-brain take for 2017 America

People care about their own wallets, absolutely, but they care a lot about education too and the Republicans are pretty much always actively trying to dismantle it.

the only reason anyone gives a crap about education is because they think getting their kids a good education will put their kids in a higher economic class than they were

just look at how people poo poo on the majors that aren't regarded as a ticket to high-paying knowledge work, such as art degrees or english degrees

obviously, education is good for its own sake, but no politician gives a poo poo about that. the Dems aren't making it the leading item in their "Better Deal" because they believe everyone should be free to learn anything they want. they're absolutely pitching it as a tool to get better-paying jobs, and nothing else

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



democrats legitimizing terrible things republicans do isn't a big deal because it doesn't provide them cover to do those terrible things
- someone in year 1 After Escalator, somehow

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