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s.i.r.e. posted:Do you think anyone would be discussing it if Alien: Covenant wasn't just released and/or because it's tied to the Alien series? Uhhh yes?
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s.i.r.e. posted:I don't think you'll be getting any of that discussion for any film in this series with this thread dying out unless it's another SMG post. I'll leave it at that though. You are dead.
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s.i.r.e. posted:On the SomethingAwful Forums? Do you remember what most of the posts were around the time of Prometheus' release or hell even A:C? Most were quick, "Film sucked/owned" posts. I don't think you'll be getting any of that discussion for any film in this series with this thread dying out unless it's another SMG post. I'll leave it at that though. Yes, in fact, I do remember. Primary themes were "what is the black goo" and "why are these scientists acting in this way, I don't understand." Now that people do understand, suddenly it's "predictable" or "boring" or "lazy" or whatever. But what's going on here is simply that the critic wants to be able to continue complaining irrespective of the content or substance of the complaint.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You are dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw98ARXfcqk
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Sir Kodiak posted:A New Hope is more than just pretty good. Selling that crazy world while constantly being engaging and moving forward, without ever laboring through the exposition because they sell so much through that fantastic production design, is legitimately a feat. The others vary from fine to pretty good, but the first is a great film. It's really impressive watching Star Wars now and noticing how propulsive it is. Like you said, there's almost no exposition whatsoever until maybe the quick war room scene before the Death Star attack, and that's basically the end of the film. More sci-fi/fantasy films need to look back at the editing and pacing of the first movie and stop front-loading the worldbuilding.
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Jul 17, 2017 21:33
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I think that's the thing, I don't think ESB is so good it can't even be compared to other films. It's not really that precious. Yeah. I haven't rewatched them in years and still haven't seen the new ones. Apart from Jedi which about half sucks I think they are all pretty good. ANH is the best one by a fair shot. Sir Kodiak posted:A New Hope is more than just pretty good. Selling that crazy world while constantly being engaging and moving forward, without ever laboring through the exposition because they sell so much through that fantastic production design, is legitimately a feat. The others vary from fine to pretty good, but the first is a great film. I could be persuaded to agree, probably. K. Waste posted:
Try counting scenes with audible breathing or someone trying not to breathe loudly. The perils of breathing has gone on to become a horror and monster movie cliche
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Jul 17, 2017 23:08
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DeimosRising posted:Yeah. I haven't rewatched them in years and still haven't seen the new ones. Apart from Jedi which about half sucks I think they are all pretty good. ANH is the best one by a fair shot. Jedi has its moments but for the most part it sucks.
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Just watched A:C and given the complete knuckleheads that David has had to deal with twice in a row now, it makes alot of sense why he decided to make a new species to wipe them out. I didn't really mind Prometheus, but as soon as the Covenant space shuttle landed in New Zealand I knew it was gonna be bad.
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Abner Assington posted:Today I watched Alien: Covenant and it was aggressively mediocre, despite some really cool and interesting design. Sort of how I am with it right now. But Prometheus didn't exactly blow my skirt up on the first viewing and now I appreciate it quite a bit more after subsequent viewings. Not sure Covenant will be the same. Guess time will tell and different strokes for different folks.
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LesterGroans posted:It's really impressive watching Star Wars now and noticing how propulsive it is. Like you said, there's almost no exposition whatsoever until maybe the quick war room scene before the Death Star attack, and that's basically the end of the film. More sci-fi/fantasy films need to look back at the editing and pacing of the first movie and stop front-loading the worldbuilding. Brother, uh, there is some exposition at the beginning of Star Wars...
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porfiria posted:Brother, uh, there is some exposition at the beginning of Star Wars... The text crawl/opening exposition monologue has fallen out of fashion in modern film but I wish more sci-fi films used it. It's a great way to lay a foundation and then allow the audience to drop right into the story without having to spend precious time on establishing the basics. Right away we know there's an Empire, and a Rebellion fighting them. Some movies use like 15 minutes just to go over that kind of extremely basic information.
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Basebf555 posted:The text crawl/opening exposition monologue has fallen out of fashion in modern film but I wish more sci-fi films used it. It's a great way to lay a foundation and then allow the audience to drop right into the story without having to spend precious time on establishing the basics. Right away we know there's an Empire, and a Rebellion fighting them. Some movies use like 15 minutes just to go over that kind of extremely basic information. I assume it's because there is no longer any trustworthy authority anywhere, but yeah it's certainly preferable to characters saying things they already know to each other. My preference is just confusion and ambiguity though (I'm trying to think of a reasonably big budget sci fi movie that operated that way. Uh 2001: A Space Odyssey?)
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Jul 19, 2017 20:39
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porfiria posted:My preference is just confusion and ambiguity though (I'm trying to think of a reasonably big budget sci fi movie that operated that way. Uh 2001: A Space Odyssey?) I guess 2001 kinda has it both ways, because there is a very clear and unambiguous briefing about the monolith, but that comes like 30 minutes in, and even then the Jupiter mission is still very confusing and mysterious until you get that last missing piece right before the end.
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Whelp. http://collider.com/alien-covenant-2-status-fox-ridley-scott/ Expect an Aliens vs. Fantastic Four crossover film announcement any week now.
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Jul 21, 2017 17:42
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Jul 21, 2017 17:57
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ruddiger posted:They're "reassessing" the franchise while also making a big Comicon push this weekend? There is literally no way in hell that Fox will outright drop the Alien franchise. It's one of their most consistent moneymakers, even counting AVP Requiem and Covenant, and one of the few money-making IPs they outright own. We might not get Ridley Scott's Covenant sequels, but we will get more Alien movies.
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Come on never AVP movie or Neill Blomkamp Alien. The series needs to embrace what it does best, action schlock.
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Tenzarin posted:Come on never AVP movie or Neill Blomkamp Alien. The series needs to embrace what it does best, action schlock. It really doesn't do action schlock very well and never has. The only time that's ever been successful is when Cameron was involved. It was a one-off lightning in a bottle situation.
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Neo Rasa posted:Whelp. Covenant suffered diminishing returns at the box office due to it opening alongside massive PG-13 tentpoles at the beginning of blockbuster season. It should have opened in August as originally planned. There's a reason Annabelle: Creation and Blade Runner 2049 — both R-rated flicks — avoided the summer lineup. Fox just got greedy.
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Despera posted:Maybe if it was a better film it would have done better Movies don't bomb because of quality- they bomb because of fickle public interests and a failure of advertisers to manufacture desire. There is nothing natural about economic success, bad and mediocre films do gangbusters all the time
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Pretty sure people weren't gonna fall for the same false advertising again and just ignored the movie. Prometheus trailers made it look really actiony and then you end up with a talking drama. They showed them running around with guns hunting the alien for covenant and it doesn't happen till the last 10m and they never even use guns to fight it. Maybe if Ridley would be honest with the trailers and just show David playing the flute and kissing himself people would of gone to seen this movie about aliens.
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Tenzarin posted:Pretty sure people weren't gonna fall for the same false advertising again and just ignored the movie. Prometheus trailers made it look really actiony and then you end up with a talking drama. They showed them running around with guns hunting the alien for covenant and it doesn't happen till the last 10m and they never even use guns to fight it. Nah, go check the Prometheus trailers again - 90% of it is just people ominously walking around in scary sci-fi places or David intoning about "big things have small beginnings" and the like, built around the screeching sting from the '79 Alien trailer. It was very honestly advertised as a slow-burn horror film. Similarly, the vast majority of the Covenant trailers concerns material that takes place on the planet in the first act of the film. There are some stings from the climax, but there is no 'dishonest' advertising going on, unless we're talking about this hypothetical person who literally thinks that seeing half a second of a monster growling is an indicator of the overall picture of a two hour film. The only people who are confused in this manner are alien fanboys. The vast majority of audiences don't give a poo poo. The vast majority of people in general already consider themselves above the 'manipulation' of advertisement. They get that trailers are not representative of a film experience, that they are just commercials with quick snapshots of 'the good bits.'
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K. Waste posted:but there is no 'dishonest' advertising going on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA Name of it is so ironic to what happens in the movie.
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Tenzarin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA Name of it is so ironic to what happens in the movie. Did she not get guns to fight an Alien on the spaceship?
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K. Waste posted:Nah, go check the Prometheus trailers again - 90% of it is just people ominously walking around in scary sci-fi places or David intoning about "big things have small beginnings" and the like, built around the screeching sting from the '79 Alien trailer. It was very honestly advertised as a slow-burn horror film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIPlqEcfyhg hmm yes, very slow e: the preview is an exploding spaceship ffs
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Jul 22, 2017 18:22
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Jul 22, 2017 18:23
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Tenzarin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA Name of it is so ironic to what happens in the movie. Not a single one of those shots are in the actual movie. None of those events ever even happen.
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I'm surprised no one's posted the TV spot with the techno soundtrack that makes it look like a pure action flick starring Idris Elba.
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Unoriginal Name posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIPlqEcfyhg I didn't write that the trailer was slow. And, yes, that does not in any way make the film look "really actiony." It looks like a trailer, with a lot of punchy visuals, but most of which are still just people poncing around looking at scary things. It is not a "dishonest" representation of a two hour film. It's just a one minute teaser, but it even manages to give you a very accurate portrait of the film's structure. Tenzarin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA Name of it is so ironic to what happens in the movie. The vast majority of people don't subscribe to 20th Century Fox's official youtube channel, nor do they go out of their way to investigate teasers for movies that, implicitly, they had very little interest in seeing in the first place. It is neither a theatrical trailer nor TV spot, if it played before another YT video, you're probably going to skip it because it's an ad. More to the point, the question of whether this constitutes "dishonest" advertisement: What occurs in this ad more or less happens in the film. As CP points out, you have absolutely not been mislead about any essential details. Daniels is mostly a loner, at some point she and the remaining crew are caught off guard by the alien, and scary things happen/they try to find and kill it. It is not dishonest to use footage or musical beats that are maybe not in the actual film in order to manufacture desire for elements which absolutely do take place in the film. Nobody is going to watch this teaser and then say, "Ah, but I remember when Prometheus, the two-hour movie, wasn't precisely as kinetic as the two-minute trailers! How do I know Ridley Scott/Fox aren't manipulating me again?" It has nothing to do with why the film bombed. The film bombed because no one gave a poo poo. They have other things they could be doing, or properties they have more deliberate interest in.
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To the extent that people thought Prometheus' advertising was dishonest I think it was more that they were expecting more a Prequel to Alien, and it is that but the Alien is not that key to it at all (and doesn't really show up beyond the proto-thing we see at the very end.) ISTR that was the biggest complaint next to "she zigged when she should have zagged"-type analysis. Covenant I don't see how you get dishonest at all. Pretty much advertised what the movie was.
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Covok posted:Not a single one of those shots are in the actual movie. None of those events ever even happen. Because it's a short film directed by Luke Scott.
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K. Waste posted:It is not dishonest to use footage or musical beats that are maybe not in the actual film in order to manufacture desire for elements which absolutely do take place in the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6raCCmAFk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71P5FKFqfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSe6tvfedb0
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CelticPredator posted:One of those is real. Yeah, Mrs. Doubtfire is loving terrifying. edit: actually, I'm scared of most Robin Williams movies. The D in Detroit fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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