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amiaghost
May 24, 2017

Special Circumstances Lesbian
So I am not sure if this is the proper place to post this, but I didn’t see a HR field specific thread.

I am ramping up to go back to school and I am highly considering a HR Management degree, however I am concerned about how LGBT friendly the field is. I am a trans woman and just starting my transition, by the time I finish my degree it will be around the same time I start to go full time in public, and the last thing I want to do is spend money on a degree that I can’t get a job in due to discrimination.

It seems to me that the HR field would be one of the most accepting parts of any company because they know and enforce labor laws, and since I am in california we definitely have protections for trans people.

Anyone in the field that can weigh in?

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Saeku
Sep 22, 2010

Reik posted:

Have you thought about being an Actuary? Applied math is an ideal degree and you only need a bachelor's for entry level. You'll have to pass at least 1 of the exams, but the first two (P and FM) shouldn't be hard for someone with your education. I've been an Actuary for 5 years now and it's incredible.

I have P and FM and insurance knowledge. but it's pretty saturated in my particular area -- from what I heard, 3-4 exams + 1-3 internships is typical at entry level -- and I stopped the exam track because of concerns about relocating with my partner. (Being in this city is very important for her career, and relocating for actuarial science would probably involve leaving the country, which is out of the question.) Might as well put in some applications locally.

I haven't officially rejected the M.Sc., but I called on my contacts and 50% of the people who heard the name of the school said, "Get a grad degree anywhere else." I like the professors I would be working with and I believe I could get a good self-directed education, but the school's reputation is horrible for various reasons. So I think I will spend this year job hunting, apply for programs at better universities, and see where it takes me.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Not sure if this belongs in the career thread but here it goes anyway.

A few years ago I left a large financial institution for which I worked over a decade in a specialist IT role. I was done with the company for several reasons, mostly lack of training/education and no prospect of getting a better or more interesting role in at least several more years. There was also a big layoff lurking around the corner and I left a few months before that reared it's ugly head.

So I joined a consultancy company for which I do the same work as I did before but now at different clients on short contracts (max 1 year, but an average of 6 months). I get a fairly large say in what projects I take on and am considered one of the better consultants in our business unit. This results in a lot of involvement in where the company goes, on which clients/areas/technology we focus etcetera. The problem is, I don't care for that at all. I just want to unleash the inner nerd and focus on working with new technologies.

I'm currently working at a client in a field which is not my expertise, but it's exactly the field I wamt to get into and actually looked for when I left my previous job. This client hires me for my expertise but also lets me work on their main projects so for me it's a dream job. I get to pick up experience in a field I want to get into but can't without experience (or taking a major paycut which is not an option because family, kids, mortgage, etc).

So here's where my dillemma enters the game. This company is also a financial institution but has a completely different work environment than the one I left. They encourage people to take as many courses as they want, carreer options are plenty and the atmosphere is pretty laid back. Now the departmet I work at is letting some folks go and is looking to hire good people. Even though I'm only working there for 3-4 months there are 4 co workers who tried to see id I was interested in joining the company.

And I'm completely torn up on what to do. I like the switching of clients but it's not something I mind giving up. So far clients are ok but I can always get stuck with a turd or a 2-3 hour travel time which I'd hate. Pay is not bad compared to other companies and I get to pick my own lease car every 4 years with unlimited private travel and they pay for gas (which is standard for consultancy firms in my country, but obviously is a really nice benefit). My current client doesnt offer a car but from what I've seen they offer a 20-30% payraise which is pretty much the best offer I can get in my current situation. On top of this I get to advance in the field I love to work in, which is an opportunity I might not get at my current employer as it's not their focus and won't be in the next few years either.

I'm not sure what to do, my current job might give me a 10% raise but that'd be pushing it and would probably not give me anything in the next few years. As to carreer advancement I could probably grow but it's not in roles I'd like to grow in to (management, sales or principal consultant). What I like is that I usually get to pick which projects I work at and as long as I have enough billable hours I can do anything I like (which has never been a problem).

So I'm wondering if I should give up my perfectly fine job where I'm appreciated for a new job that I would most likely love and could keep me interested in the long run. I'm not sure if it's not a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence...

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
At the end of the day if it doesn't work out at this place you can always go back to being a consultant.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
It is really tough to be an individual contributor only at (most) consulting firms and advance past a certain point. It sounds like you're hitting your ceiling as an individual contributor and want to stay an individual contributor. I would take the job with the client, and Jordan is right: you can always go back to consulting if things don't work out.

I am assuming that 20-30% more money will easily absorb any incremental car expenses.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


I'm indeed not looking for additional work at the consultancy firm outside my fulltime job at the customer. If I do it doesn't mean more pay and it usually means putting in a lot of extra hours. And that's indeed the reason my opportunities are limited there.

I've seen and heard several examples of people moving into and out of the team I'm working with now so that's definitely an option. I also have witnessed a lot of folks doing all the trainings they want to follow as well as some the company wants them to follow (all during working hours and no strings attached).

If the offer is good enough I'll have to seriously consider it. As you guys said, I can always go back to consulting. Getting recruiters on a daily basis so I can always fall back on that if it doesn't work out.

Thanks for the insights!

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


My girlfriend just graduated with a Master's in Sociology with a focus in Immigration and Criminal Justice (her thesis was on attitudes towards immigrants). She wants to get into policy and work with politicians to write laws that improve rights for immigrants, but she has no idea where to even start to go down that road. I really haven't been able to think of anything better than beg the ACLU for an internship.

We'd be willing to move if it was necessary.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Sounds like she wants to be a staffer on Capitol Hill. Or work for an association/lobbying firm. Might have to do the first before you can land at the latter. No clue. Unless she wants to do this at the state level, she is probably going to need to move to the DC area.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

KillHour posted:

My girlfriend just graduated with a Master's in Sociology with a focus in Immigration and Criminal Justice (her thesis was on attitudes towards immigrants). She wants to get into policy and work with politicians to write laws that improve rights for immigrants, but she has no idea where to even start to go down that road. I really haven't been able to think of anything better than beg the ACLU for an internship.

We'd be willing to move if it was necessary.


Tyro posted:

Sounds like she wants to be a staffer on Capitol Hill. Or work for an association/lobbying firm. Might have to do the first before you can land at the latter. No clue. Unless she wants to do this at the state level, she is probably going to need to move to the DC area.

Being in the Washington, DC area I can tell you that staffers are mostly paid in prestige and not so much in money (pay is low). Many Congresspeople prefer staffers from the same state they represent (because then you can better understand their constituents) to boot, and being from the same district is a big plus for Representatives. It's not a hard and fast rule, but it's likely that with two equally qualified candidates, they're going to take the one that's closest to them so to speak.

People mainly get picked up by lobbying firms not necessarily for the knowledge they have but the people they know. Even with what I've said above, she's got a better chance of being a staffer straight out of a Master's program than she ever will getting picked up by a lobbying firm. The bonus to that is the typical career path is staffer -> lobbyist (because then you can better leverage your personal connections with Congresspeople).

Also, I hope your budget can handle living in DC because rent prices here are not kind. Expect to pay around $1500/mo for a 700 sq ft. 1 bedroom, and even then that's on the low side of a 1br estimate in DC unless you live quite far outside the District.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!
Wink wink

JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Dec 23, 2019

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


How do people these days feel about coding bootcamps? They were recommended in this thread several years ago but the industry has since ballooned so people might be thinking of them as a place that turns out hacks.

I ask because I'm currently a CG animator, but the pay is not great, the respect is low, and it really limits where you can work. I'm used to spending hours and hours in front of a computer fiddling with things to make clients happy, and I think that skill could be used in programming if I could get my head around enough of it to get a junior dev job. My experience with coding is doing half a python online course and learning some MEL scripting. I've also never been really interested in math though I always did well in school. I'm not sure about my logical problem solving skills.

Anyway just basically wondering if this sounds insane or not and whether bootcamps are still legit or whether I'm just trying to grab at what looks like a too-good-to-be-true opportunity.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!
Most of the bootcamp value comes from 2 components; the network, and the effort you put in... and coding bootcamp quality seems to vary wildly. I have heard some great success stories from bootcamps in the tech areas of SF/Seattle/Austin. For example; https://adadevelopersacademy.org/ which gives you a straight up internship at a firm while in bootcamp, then you graduate and ostensibly make bank there.

However, I've also heard of some poo poo ones. That halfway through a year announced they were shutting down at the end, which means no network.

With that said, I live in one of the tech hubs and fresh out of undergrad kids are still getting $70k+ starting positions. I'd assume bootcamp kids are in that same neighborhood. The tech bubble may slowdown when capital investment loses their boner for startups, but there's always going to be practical jobs because coding is an extremely useful toolbox of skills that translates to essentially every industry.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Interesting. Thanks for the advice! I probably wouldn't actually go for the bootcamp unless I get laid off at my current job or it becomes so boring to me that I crave a career change. In the meantime I'll probably do some JavaScript courses online so that I keep familiar with programming, so if I do make the leap it's not such an alien thing.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

In an update about being a congressional staffer, I get the weekly email blast they send out for positions. A lot of these entry-level positions start at $30,000. Remember what I said earlier is that you can expect your average rent will be $1,500 in the good old District of Columbia.

That's 60% of your pre-tax pay going straight to rent, by the way. Not to mention the fact that DC has a high cost of living. And that's if you get the job - DC area schools are pumping out prospective staffers by the hundreds/thousands, and the Ivy League grads like to come here to play too.

A former Press Secretary for a Republican congressperson once gave me this immortal advice about working in politics in DC - unless your name carries money or power, it's a hard business to get into.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


LuiCypher posted:

In an update about being a congressional staffer, I get the weekly email blast they send out for positions. A lot of these entry-level positions start at $30,000. Remember what I said earlier is that you can expect your average rent will be $1,500 in the good old District of Columbia.

That's 60% of your pre-tax pay going straight to rent, by the way. Not to mention the fact that DC has a high cost of living. And that's if you get the job - DC area schools are pumping out prospective staffers by the hundreds/thousands, and the Ivy League grads like to come here to play too.

A former Press Secretary for a Republican congressperson once gave me this immortal advice about working in politics in DC - unless your name carries money or power, it's a hard business to get into.

We know. She has no connections or money, but she's determined to make a difference on a larger scale than doing grunt work for the rest of her life. Luckily, I make ~$100k so I can support us for a bit while she digs her heels in. Probably have to sell the house though.

How does becoming a staffer work? Do you just show up and drop off your application or is it more of a "who you know" thing?

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Bootcamp kids are going to be more like $30-$40k salaries in most areas, except for the one we had who turned out amazing and became our CTO within five years I think they started him at like $180K because he interviewed at facebook and that's what they offered.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

KillHour posted:

We know. She has no connections or money, but she's determined to make a difference on a larger scale than doing grunt work for the rest of her life. Luckily, I make ~$100k so I can support us for a bit while she digs her heels in. Probably have to sell the house though.

How does becoming a staffer work? Do you just show up and drop off your application or is it more of a "who you know" thing?

:shrug: I imagine it's like most other jobs - if you know someone in the office who's willing to speak to the staff member responsible for hiring staffers that's always a big plus. For everybody else (including me), there's a general mailing list for the House that you can subscribe to here:
https://www.house.gov/content/jobs/hvaps_subscribe.php

For the Senate, I'd keep this website bookmarked:
https://www.senate.gov/employment/po/positions.htm

Surprisingly enough, while you should work for people who you like and represent your views (i.e., if you are a Pro-Choice Democrat, it probably will not do for you to work for a Pro-Life Republican who takes every possible opportunity to poo poo on Pro-Choicers), you should always be able to leave your politics at the door. For all the acrimony and warring that occurs in the media between the parties, they are at some point going to have to work together to get poo poo done. Yes, you may think your counterpart on the other side is a partisan shitheel (and they may, in fact, be a partisan shitheel). But you are going to have to work with each other at some point. Senators and Representatives from both sides appear together in public often especially during public meetings where they discuss issues like the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I've been to one of those meetings, and never once did they devolve into anything involving name-calling despite fundamental disagreements about free trade on a philosophical level. Civility is key.

Although for many people civility is going to be hard after today, and understandably so.

LuiCypher fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 25, 2017

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


LuiCypher posted:

:shrug: I imagine it's like most other jobs - if you know someone in the office who's willing to speak to the staff member responsible for hiring staffers that's always a big plus. For everybody else (including me), there's a general mailing list for the House that you can subscribe to here:
https://www.house.gov/content/jobs/hvaps_subscribe.php

For the Senate, I'd keep this website bookmarked:
https://www.senate.gov/employment/po/positions.htm

This is great. Thank you so much.

mad_Thick
Aug 4, 2014

Kanish posted:

What the hell GI Bill are you using that its paying for undergrad + masters + 100k/year?

I'm in California. My UC Davis tuition was completely covered by the school, plus I received about 1.7k per quarter. If I go to school in San Francisco for a Masters, my GI Bill will cover tuition, plus whatever money I receive from the Pell Grant (usually 5.5k a full academic year), BAH is nearly 4.2k in SF. So I would end up with over 100k, and a Masters.

But since I am more interested in going back into the military as an officer, I'm using some of my GI Bill at SF City College for languages, so I can have some cash in my pocket.

kedo
Nov 27, 2007

LuiCypher posted:

:shrug: I imagine it's like most other jobs - if you know someone in the office who's willing to speak to the staff member responsible for hiring staffers that's always a big plus. For everybody else (including me), there's a general mailing list for the House that you can subscribe to here:
https://www.house.gov/content/jobs/hvaps_subscribe.php

For the Senate, I'd keep this website bookmarked:
https://www.senate.gov/employment/po/positions.htm

This is pretty accurate. I interned in a congressional office a long while ago and every single staffer was A) from the same legislative district as the representative they worked for, B) terribly, desperately, earnestly interested in a career in politics, C) a good student doing some sort of public policy, international affairs or pre-law track. For higher level staffers A doesn't matter quite as much, and even midlevel staffers can move around in their general region.

If she can get any letters of recommendation from elected officials (even local) in her hometown from the same party, get those. Other than that the same rules apply like most other jobs, just as LuiCypher said. Honestly it's a probably a pretty trying time for staffers right now, so there are probably plenty of openings. Government moves really slow, especially when it comes to hiring, but has a certain inevitability to it. Even if she doesn't land exactly the job she wants immediately she should consider moving to DC and getting a job in a related field/office. It's not like there's a dearth of political jobs here.

Also w/r/t pay – I live in DC and do not know a single person under the age of 25 who doesn't have multiple roommates. Most live in group houses with 5-10 other people.

kedo fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jul 27, 2017

Crudus
Nov 14, 2006

I hope this post isn't too rambling: I need advice about how to find and start a career in my thirties with minimal "professional" experience in my twenties and a horrible degree choice. I'm thirty now.

I was a smart kid who didn't develop discipline when things started to become challenging at the end of high school and so I coasted through AP classes but didn't seek out college credit courses or work toward scholarships. I ended up going to the local college and got my degree in music. I have been able to do some cool things in my twenties like doing the JET program for two years, and ended up working briefly in Tokyo before coming back to the states. Stronger and stronger as I neared the end of my twenties there was the looming realization that I had to figure out some sort of career path for my future. I started to think about fields I was interested in, taught myself some programming, tried to ask friends who were in career paths what they had done, but I never really figured out something I could do before things culminated in a harsh crash when the sales job I had in Tokyo ended up being for a horrible company and I could not find another job that wasn't more English teaching (which I was burned out on) due to a lack of qualifications from not having studied anything remotely practical in college.

Discipline to study is something I have taught myself as an adult and I have accomplished some significant-to-me things with it, such as getting an N2 language proficiency (business level) in Japanese largely through self driven study, completing some small musical collaborations, or learning to code. In all the jobs I have worked, I am always one of the most efficient and focused workers, and its unbearable at times knowing that I have such a huge potential but no idea what to do with it.

I understand I'm going to have to get further training to move into a professional field and with that is going to be a necessary expenditure of money which I don't really have. Where I'm at now saving money toward education is a very slow process so whatever I choose needs to be a guaranteed payoff. I want to use the drive I've nurtured to find a career path and start working hard toward it but I'm crippled by the fear of making the wrong choice and ending up unable to get a good job in the future and saddled with more student debt. When I try to research careers online its hard to find anything but listicles or motivational blogs, and where I'm living now back in my hometown I don't have professional friends anymore to turn to for advice.

If I don't figure anything out it seems my path will be to tread water forever doing admin type jobs, possibly moving into slightly better ones where I end up earning a decent income but never really being able to put enough away to achieve financial independence. Which when I think about it just seems like a recipe for eating a bullet when I'm old and look back at my life feeling I've accomplished nothing.

So.

Are there resources out there I'm missing? Some kind of online career counseling or job-placement kind of things? Have you been in this situation, and what did you do? I feel like with the type of brain I have, I could be successful as an engineer, or a research scientist, or some kind of analyst, but I don't know subsets of which of these fields I would not be too old for to compete by the time I could complete whatever additional training I would need. Which fields are going to consider someone starting fresh at (probably) 33-35?

I realize this post is vague in a lot of ways, but I'm going to follow the thread to have whatever conversation or provide more details or answer questions about my background. I need to figure this out and this subforum seems like the best resource I have right now.

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn
I did a Bachelors with a pretty even split between politics\economics\business and graduated top of class from a private school that's well respected in my country but not really known abroad.

I worked for about half a year in a temporary job as a lab assistant, then worked for a year in Compliance on a graduate scheme in a bank in the UK. My manager bullied me really bad and I plunged very deeply into depression, got fired for health issues, then it took me about half a year to recover enough to work and to find a job. I had to move back to Poland and for four months or so I've been a junior accountant in a large international retail company.

I'm very capable and extremely ambitious, but plagued by health issues. Sometimes my depression flares up badly, I have trouble with sleep, and my physical health is poo poo to boot - I get ill easily, every week or two I get migraines that last a whole day or two and are completely disabling, plus stomach issues which sometimes end up with me spending a third of a day in the bathroom.

My current job is understanding and flexible enough for me to work around it, and I love that. The pay is okay but far from my ambitions - especially as my girlfriend is American and if she moves to me she will have trouble finding work, so I'd have to support her. The job is really boring as I'm mostly booking invoices in SAP and writing an emails to sort out issues. No formal accountancy training, though I figure I'd be pretty decent at it. I really want something more challenging to keep my mind stimulated, and all my colleagues are disgustingly racist.

I'm trying to start my own company, but should that fail, I want a more challenging and higher earning job. I'm supremely confident in my abilities, intelligence and work ethic, but I'm terrified that I won't be able to hold a job with my health issues. I find literally every industry interesting in different ways, though my skills and background probably lend themselves best to some manner of financial services.

What are some of the career paths\specific companies that might be understanding and allow me flexibility? Some amount of remote work would be perfect as I'd be able to work when I'm too unwell to leave the house. I'm highly internationally mobile: what countries should I focus my search in if I only know English and Polish?

Zeppelin Insanity fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jul 31, 2017

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!

Pryor on Fire posted:

Bootcamp kids are going to be more like $30-$40k salaries in most areas, except for the one we had who turned out amazing and became our CTO within five years I think they started him at like $180K because he interviewed at facebook and that's what they offered.

What? Where?

clam the FUCK down
Dec 20, 2013

I'm looking for some advice in the mental health field. I'm currently a contracted crisis worker -- I go around and work with people that have had a recent traumatic event, mental health emergency, or are needing forensic testing for civil commitment, and was hired out of graduation because of my internship experience at 30k/yr to work between 3-4 facilities in my area. After a year of working here, I have been able to work in homes, hospitals, and offices. The amount of networking I have done has been great, but I feel like I'm not progressing towards much in the way of a better position. My overall goal is something in the area of clinical director or working in policy.

Degree in psych, not a great GPA (3.0), but 2 years of Research Experience up to Research Coordinator
3-years in mental health (combining internships and this last year after graduation)
So at this point I have an OK resume for a professional psych masters (social work, counseling, school psych) not for clinical or most other PhD programs, and I'm trying to decide on getting my Masters or continuing in the industry for a while.

I have been considering FEMA, FBI (victims’ response), and the Red Cross for disaster counseling as well as school psychology. Ideally, I would like to go to a university for a counseling psych PhD, but I don't think I am academically ready or have enough career experience to supplement. I could do a MSW program (2yr) or schools psych (3yr) and the PhD later. The more I put off a masters, the longer it will take to receive a licence which boosts pay considerably. My company is willing to hire me at a higher rate (60k) during my masters, so I could potentially go part time. That would be hedging with some serious student debt, though (however, all of my work qualifies for PSLF). OR I could try to find a better paying job and save.

Anyone currently in this field?

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


How much debt would you pick up during the master's, and what's your expected first year salary?

clam the FUCK down
Dec 20, 2013

ultrafilter posted:

How much debt would you pick up during the master's, and what's your expected first year salary?

Likely 20k for an LCSW or other master's program. Two years following, I would have work which was 60k or so, after licensure most get some boost.

With a PhD it would be closer to 80-100k in debt, but after graduation qualifying for director positions which can easily hit 100k.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
aren't most PhD programs funded?

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


clam the gently caress down posted:

Likely 20k for an LCSW or other master's program. Two years following, I would have work which was 60k or so, after licensure most get some boost.

With a PhD it would be closer to 80-100k in debt, but after graduation qualifying for director positions which can easily hit 100k.

The rule of thumb I've heard and generally think is OK is that taking on less debt than what you expect to make in your first year after school is fine. It's only when your debt to first year salary ratio gets over 100% that you start running into trouble (and of course 99% isn't necessarily all that hot).

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


ultrafilter posted:

The rule of thumb I've heard and generally think is OK is that taking on less debt than what you expect to make in your first year after school is fine. It's only when your debt to first year salary ratio gets over 100% that you start running into trouble (and of course 99% isn't necessarily all that hot).

This is a good call


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

aren't most PhD programs funded?

Only in STEM

Does anyone here work in Internal Communications? I've discovered it's a thing and I'd like to work in that field too, if there's any advice.

clam the FUCK down
Dec 20, 2013

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

aren't most PhD programs funded?

They generally are for my industry, but I would make more just working at my company than living in poverty of doctoral fellowship. Most of that debt would be so my income could go towards not living in a studio apartment and not lowering my lifestyle to street urchin for the 8 years of a PhD. Seriously gently caress graduate teaching fellowships.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011



40k seems like the a junior dev wage in Canada. In the US it's usually higher.

Spagghentleman
Jan 1, 2013
Is there any demand for project managers nowadays? I'm working as an electronics tech for $28/hour CDN, basically at the ceiling of pay grade for the type of equipment I work on.

I work for a global company, so I would like to move up internally, and I'm looking at part time program with a local college for project manager specialist, which seems like the most straightforward way of getting out of the field. I've worked with project managers a lot, but they are pretty hush-hush about their work load, salary, etc.

I do have experience in fire alarm, construction, web development, data/telecom, and of course security (cameras, parking gates, intrusion, access control, whatever), so I guess if there's no room in my company I can look elsewhere.
I do have it pretty cushy in my current job (probably just because I'm used to the work and good at it at this point), I just find myself wondering "what if", and I don't think I wanna end up like one of the 30-year-seniority union guys pushing 250-pounds with a chip on their shoulder. Besides that, union contract makes it impossible to make more than top-rate, which I'm already at.

kedo
Nov 27, 2007

Spagghentleman posted:

Is there any demand for project managers nowadays? I'm working as an electronics tech for $28/hour CDN, basically at the ceiling of pay grade for the type of equipment I work on.

I do have experience in ... web development ...

In my experience yes, at least for this industry. Every single firm I've worked with in the past that has around one project manager per five to ten production employees. I have no clue what they make salary-wise, but I don't imagine it's as much as the people they work with who have technical/creative expertise.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?
Is an MBA still a worthwhile thing to pursue? It seems like everyone and their mom had or was going for one a few years back.

I'm still aimlessly poking in the dark trying to find a viable direction to go from where I am currently. I'm doing a bit more project management than previously, so figured some kind of overlap, and I could probably get my work to pay for part of the MBA.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

Is an MBA still a worthwhile thing to pursue? It seems like everyone and their mom had or was going for one a few years back.

If someone else is paying for it and it aligns with the direction you want to go (i.e., upper management), arguably yes.

If you're paying for it yourself and doing it just because you can't think of anything else to do, likely no.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

simplefish posted:

Only in STEM

Ph.D.s in other fields are generally funded as well. The rule of thumb is that if you don't get your Ph.D. funded, it's a very polite 'no' from the university/invitation to apply again next year with better experience or when they have more money to go around. Paying for your Ph.D seems like the height of lunacy given how long it takes you out of the employment market.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?

Guinness posted:

If someone else is paying for it and it aligns with the direction you want to go (i.e., upper management), arguably yes.

If you're paying for it yourself and doing it just because you can't think of anything else to do, likely no.

I don't have any real people management experience (certainly not formally) so I have no clue if this would even be a good fit for me. Keep trying to brainstorm, just haven't hit on anything that makes good sense.

LuiCypher posted:

Ph.D.s in other fields are generally funded as well. The rule of thumb is that if you don't get your Ph.D. funded, it's a very polite 'no' from the university/invitation to apply again next year with better experience or when they have more money to go around. Paying for your Ph.D seems like the height of lunacy given how long it takes you out of the employment market.

My Liberal Arts MA (PhD track) was funded plus a stipend and I still felt like it was a bad time. I can't imagine having debt on top of all that.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

I don't have any real people management experience (certainly not formally) so I have no clue if this would even be a good fit for me. Keep trying to brainstorm, just haven't hit on anything that makes good sense.


My Liberal Arts MA (PhD track) was funded plus a stipend and I still felt like it was a bad time. I can't imagine having debt on top of all that.

If you don't have a plan for it, don't get a MBA.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Tyro posted:

If you don't have a plan for it, don't get a MBA.

+1.


On the topic of project managers:

I've noticed "project manager" gets used as a general job title on general business reports (job aptitude, employment #s etc.) but it seems like the title is so broad, its practically meaningless.

There are project managers in many different fields. For example, construction and technology. Is there really enough similarity to change industries, or even report on as one bucket?

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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?
Thanks for the info. Best guess I had was totally general. Back to the drawing board, I guess.

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