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derra posted:You have no way to penetrate his 95% evade. Buildup doubles M, not A, so will still do no damage. High level Samurai crits would be better than Gaia Bell hits, but this is a party I would not consider it possible to TC. I was worried about that. Thanks for the answer - now I know I can just power through and beat the game.
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 loving ugh. So, this had an interesting little wrinkle to it. Apparently, Countering breaks !Guard. Meaning that if I just put this on Auto-battle (speeds up animations) and Guard all the time, there is still a way for Ruggy to break through my protection if the ATB stars align for him. Solution: keep the cursor on the WM with Knight's ATB charged, wait for attack + counter, immediately reapply Guard. This means no speeding up the fight through all of this tedium. A Brave Blade counter (onehanded, ofc, I need the slot) deals round 1k damage as Omniscient is always back row on Mobile. AND Regen works for him. Ughhhhh. Oh, and of course the death reaction also triggers through berserk so you cannot do this with just one character (outside of Shell/Reflect)... Anyway, it's done, I killed Rugmaster 3000 with a sword to the face, thanks for the advice guys! Now to reap my true reward: the Kaiser Knuckles.
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Simply Simon posted:Now to reap my true reward: the Kaiser Knuckles.  Also you could've dispelled him before you berserked him. 
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I'm not sure that would work, he has Protect/Shell/Regen innately. Can you Dispel things like that? I'm at the Crystals with Monk-Black-Beastmaster-Knight and I'm debating taking the Flame Shield because I'm not sure I can hurt the fire one. None of the HP-crit releases (Maelstrom/Hurricane) are auto-hit, are they? I don't want to take the time to kill the other three, release and hope for a 15-20% hit chance, then reload every single time. And Knight is dying with Galuf so chances are I won't have any shield users anyway.
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OzFactor posted:I'm not sure that would work, he has Protect/Shell/Regen innately. Can you Dispel things like that? Sure can. As long as it's not an "always" status, it's dispellable. Compare Rugwizard to Necrophobe's Barriers: code:code:
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Kyrosiris posted:That's how it works in all versions, yeah. The thing that makes Omniscient different in mobile is that he can somehow still cast Return while Berserked, whereas in every other version, React: scripts are turned off by Berserk. I didn't know Berserk no longer broke scripts in the iOS version. Is that specific to the Omniscient fight or does it work for anyone? Mountaineer posted:Rune Chime would probably work to at least do damage. Only if it hits. Which, well, you know.
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Simply Simon posted:loving ugh. Woof. I'm almost positive that's new to mobile.
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Jul 21, 2017 17:03
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I love how every year, "don't play any version except for FF5A" becomes more and more obvious.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I didn't know Berserk no longer broke scripts in the iOS version. Is that specific to the Omniscient fight or does it work for anyone? Well, it's just an assumption, based on that Omni can still Return while Berserked, which he shouldn't be able to. As for if it hits anything else,  .
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Samuel Clemens posted:I didn't know Berserk no longer broke scripts in the iOS version. Is that specific to the Omniscient fight or does it work for anyone? I think it's just him, but I can test it. Who else has a counter script that can be Berserked? Omega can't be.
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Soup du Jour posted:I love how every year, "don't play any version except for SNES" becomes more and more obvious.
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Jul 21, 2017 17:24
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OzFactor posted:I think it's just him, but I can test it. Who else has a counter script that can be Berserked? Omega can't be. The most obvious one is Apanda, who loses all his counter attacks when berserked in the older versions.
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Well, I got my fifth job, and it's Beastmaster again. I would have been happy with literally anything except a dupe. I might give it a job fair reroll but I don't want to risk a dupe again--it's not the money, it's the time it takes for it to run. Maybe I'll just RNG myself something and then ask for it specifically.
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Note to thread: if you are going to get a fifth job, buy all the spells before leaving W1.
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Linoge posted:Hello Goons, I triple crowned with a very similar team (samurai, white mage, thief and monk) but only because I was on emulator. I needed to abuse save states as he has moves that will just flat out kill you if used and they will be used in what is a very long drawn out battle. I was level 58 and it was rough going even when using save states to change his algorithm up. Your only sources of damage are bare-handed or katana crits. I berserked my monk and my samurai to pump up damage output, but you just miss all the time. I can't even imagine what level you'd have to be to do that legit without save states.
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Kyrosiris posted:
Oh well, lesson learned for next time. This way, I might have just been able to push him into a phase more friendly to reflecting things back at him with the Lamp alone...
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OzFactor posted:I think it's just him, but I can test it. Who else has a counter script that can be Berserked? Omega can't be. BERSERK MINOTAUR AND THEN THROW AN ASSASSIN DAGGER AT HIM ...because he reacts by killing himself: code:DACK FAYDEN fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 20:43
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OzFactor posted:Note to thread: if you are going to get a fifth job, buy all the spells before leaving W1. Also get the bard songs. That got me last year with upgrade.
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Journey of the Quadzerker: Part VII I Thief Knife'd up two more Aegis Shields and two more Bone Mails.     LET'S loving DO THIS    Two blocks on the first Tidal Wave. My strategy was to facetank/block rather than give up Hermes for Coral. First Chicken Knife swing misses...  ...but the rest of the team does well in the first round.    Thank you Bone Mail!  Thank you Diamond Helm!   SECOND CHICKEN KNIFE SWING MISSES   KRILE  Slightly better.   Block on Maelstrom was good, but rolling L2Old was absolutely critical.   FINALLY    LENNA  Two straight physical blocks!   A quick Chicken Knife poke...  BONE MAIL   KRILE  Now I'm nervous...    Krile  DIE FUCKER   YESSSSSSSSSS   That was fun. It might seem like a few nights of pointless RNG manipulation to some, but any time I got past the Mighty Guard/L3Flare roll I was on the edge of my seat. The robot is literally impossible so I'm hanging up my for good. I hope you enjoyed the journey.Next time: Reroll!
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Doom Goon posted:What a terrible waste of an Assassin Dagger [1:43 AM] KataraniSword: code:[1:43 AM] disastranagant: no one knows [1:44 AM] Koobes: even the designers were confused [1:44 AM] disastranagant: it's just some special case the dataminer didn't understand [1:44 AM] KataraniSword: I mean [1:44 AM] KataraniSword: "No Clue" is just the "enemy kills itself" move [1:45 AM] KataraniSword: but [1:45 AM] KataraniSword: you can't use the assassin dagger as an item [1:45 AM] See Ker: can you throw it [1:45 AM] KataraniSword: even if you wanted to [1:45 AM] See Ker: that would be react:throw though [1:45 AM] KataraniSword: ........... [1:45 AM] KataraniSword: hm 1:54 AM] KataraniSword: code:[1:54 AM] KataraniSword: So apparently Minotaur, and Minotaur alone, instantly dies without fail if you chuck the Assassin Dagger at him [2:35 AM] Woomy: Okay, let's see if Minotaur can be insta killed by AD [2:35 AM] Woomy: At least in Steam [2:35 AM] KataraniSword: remember: it apparently has to be thrown [2:35 AM] KataraniSword: according to the scripts, at least [2:40 AM] Woomy: AHAHAHA, IT WORKS [4:04 PM] See Ker: [e:KataraniSword] was looking through the algorithms faq for battle scripts(edited) [4:04 PM] See Ker: and Minotaur (and only Minotaur) has a special script [4:04 PM] See Ker: that makes him die instantly if you throw assassin dagger at him [4:04 PM] alcharagia: ... [4:04 PM] alcharagia: lol wut [4:04 PM] Cool Ghost: lol [4:04 PM] Keeby: haha what [4:04 PM] Exerci: I love it [4:04 PM] Mega64: I saw that before but didn't realize it triggered by throwing it [4:04 PM] Mega64: That's freaking nuts and amazing [4:04 PM] Fenrir: lmao wow [4:05 PM] Fenrir: that's amazing. [4:05 PM] OFSheep: I can record it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ank9SAoZa7A
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Doom Goon posted:What a terrible waste of an Assassin Dagger It really, really is. For a niche case that nobody would even notice or think about. Like, I'd expect this on Twintania, not freakin' Minotaur. Plus, what team with Ninja actually has trouble with Minotaur? You have dual-wield and !Image, you've got literally no worries in that fight.
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Bregor posted:Journey of the Quadzerker: Part VII Nice!
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Well quad-Zerk was fun but let's do a Popular run and hopefully wreck some poo poo... 
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Fiesta just got over the 18k goal. 
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So why does Minotaur have a special reaction for being on the receiving end of a thrown Assassin's Dagger? That seems like an odd thing to intentionally program.
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It seems to me like that's something they just wanted to happen in general, but scrapped it in development. So they scrubbed all other instances of it but forgot him. It makes sense to me but who knows.
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 Classic run (WHM/THF/RDM/BLM) completed by the skin of our teeth 
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Upgrade isn't really the best, but sometimes you end in comedy as interactions appear. Wind: Red Mage, AKA "I am not loving grinding dualcast W1" Water: Berserker, AKA "At least I killed the sandworm first" Fire: Ranger, aka Bowserker aka "Holy poo poo the Sol Cannon dies fast to four thunder bows" Earth: Mystic Knight, aka 4 Rapid Fire Spellblades for the rest of time I killed Omega by just going in with Hermes sandals and lucking out on counters. Rapidfire thundaga chicken knife did about 7300 per hit (so about 29k per rapidfire)
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 This was a nice and easy third run. Just some short comments: - Knight: absolute MVP of the run. I hadn't gotten this before, so I was super into seeing Garula melt, hitting everything way earlier than I was used to for thousands of damage with Two-Handed, and ultimately just Berserkering a Brave Blade wielder to absolutely mutilate everything. My biggest problem was some terrible hit chances occassionally, what was up with all the misses? I thought Berserk IMPROVED hit chance? (incidentally, this is how I did get my third Elven Mantle in Walse even though I never ran) - White Mage: the second MVP of the run (is this possible to say? I don't care). I also never had White Mage before, so I was constantly surprised by what they could do, seeing as they have almost all the Debuffs as well as all the heals. The only hard part was Omniscient because I really wanted Holy, see above for that saga; then poo poo melted even more. Two sources of heavy single target damage, basically. In the end, I had four !White users and a completely insane Knight slicing NED up who couldn't do anything. - Geomancer: It's a super mixed bag on Mobile, because sometimes it's great to always have Twister available (lol Dragon Pod), sometimes it sucks giant balls (every other boss fight). I could deal a whopping total of 600 x4 damage to NED with White Mage Magic, a Black Robe and an Air Knife. Otoh, Cave-In is loving bonkers and it's like a 50% chance to happen in ANY underground setting, like the Trench, the Pyramid, the Deep Sea Shrine...and that carried me through a LOT of otherwise tedious dungeons. I attribute to !Gaia a lot of my completely nonexistant problems in keeping the Brave Blade powered. - Monk (#FifthJob from Red Mage): I'd have vastly prefered the RM. Monk did make Omniscient possible with the crazy Guard-Counter tactic, but I'd have been able to do him in with RM easily. Other than that, I did kill some enemies in the walk up to the fourth Hermes Sandals with Kaiser Knuckles equipped (I'm a cheap bastard, okay) and...um...my White Mage has higher HP than the Geomancer in the final bossfight?  I don't know how to prove exactly that this is right before NED, but I guess you could extrapolate from the stats and just believe me otherwise. Thought the "Rift - Final Floor" would show up somewhere but it doesn't, whatever. I thought of toxxing myself to do this but decided to...just do it, and I'll just donate a tenner regardless. It was worth it, was fun. Again, with this team composition I had very few moments where I was "ugh if I only could flee". Most of them were Exdeath's Soul encounters in the Sealed Temple, for which I didn't reset but ground them down with Berserk + Brave Blade (rear end in a top hat has sky-high evade, apparently so uuuugh). End level: 34 (so not that high?). Mobile helps a lot, I admit, because if you do wipe to something bad or get a really annoying back attack, you can just quit, Resume and start after the last encounter you won or the last door you entered. If I wanted to, I'd never wipe to anything, though. I got a Grand Cross that killed one character, confused two (!) others and put the third in critical...then I ate an Almagest. And I still won. Monk finally hit herself for like 30 damage twice (from 300 HP, bless your piddly fists from back row), then it was an Arisapalooza. And Shell everyone up again, of course!
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ultrafilter posted:So why does Minotaur have a special reaction for being on the receiving end of a thrown Assassin's Dagger? That seems like an odd thing to intentionally program. Why do Fairy Orcs have a special reaction for being hit by Cure? (According to Algorithm FAQ, they target your entire party with Curaga) Why does Ramuh cast Mini on your entire team if you Mini him? Why does using a Gold Needle on an old man fix his bad back? (Seriously, do it on the fights with the Jura Aevis old men. Really works!) FF5's AI scripts are full of weird little things that make no sense.
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KataraniSword posted:Why do Fairy Orcs have a special reaction for being hit by Cure? (According to Algorithm FAQ, they target your entire party with Curaga) 
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KataraniSword posted:Why does using a Gold Needle on an old man fix his bad back? (Seriously, do it on the fights with the Jura Aevis old men. Really works!) Acupuncture in Final Fantasy? More likely than I thought.
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OzFactor posted:I think it's just him, but I can test it. Who else has a counter script that can be Berserked? Omega can't be. Omega can be blessed kissed, because Matrix are inconsistent with bug fixes. And he does indeed counter still.
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Simply Simon posted:My biggest problem was some terrible hit chances occassionally, what was up with all the misses? I thought Berserk IMPROVED hit chance? Berserk does nothing but "Attack = Attack * 3 / 2" and removes your ability to control the character. Swords are 100% hit weapons aside from the Blood Sword, so you were probably just running into physical evasion.
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Kyrosiris posted:Berserk does nothing but "Attack = Attack * 3 / 2" and removes your ability to control the character. Swords are 100% hit weapons aside from the Blood Sword, so you were probably just running into physical evasion. A poo poo Wiki posted:The party should change into Monks and wait until the Jackanapes casts Moon Flute. When berserked the party will have a higher hit rate, and will only need to survive three or four rounds to kill the Jackanapes.
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Simply Simon posted:I didn't fact check because surely they wouldn't have made up such a frivolous claim??? The problem being that anybody can edit a wiki, and while moderators can and do take deletion by non-recognized members as vandalism, non-defamatory additions are usually waved by. In turn, it turns out a lot of their mechanical info comes from GameFAQs, and I don't mean the algorithm guide, either.
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Simply Simon posted:Shows me for trusting the FF Wiki. That thing is utter and complete garbage, so yes, that's on you.
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