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Huh, hadn't thought about sticking the throwing axes on archers. I have been slowly working on getting them a set of longaxes. But that's a great idea. For now they're on my one quick hands guy. I'll have to dig up some nets. Are they sold by fishing docks?
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 I'm totes turning this guy in to a WS style Macebro. Look at that loving trait combo. Edit: Hey WS do you have any Flail builds? Is it the same as mace but replace mace with flail? Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Gridlocked posted:Look at that loving trait combo. When he's not benched due to being too drunk to fight again that is; let me tell you about the many wonders of two of your best bros being a Drunkard or Fragile, respectively. quote:Edit: Hey WS do you have any Flail builds? Is it the same as mace but replace mace with flail? If your flail bro has good enough Melee Defense or HP to make do with only one out of Steel Brow or Colossus I'd probably give him a second Mastery geared towards dealing with heavily armored enemies as well. Probably daggers, or maybe hammers. late e: Also, you could go full retard, give him Bags & Belts and let him switch to a Berserk Chain against heavily armored enemies. I'm gonna say that's probably not optimal, but... e: Arcturas posted:Huh, hadn't thought about sticking the throwing axes on archers. I have been slowly working on getting them a set of longaxes. But that's a great idea. For now they're on my one quick hands guy. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Jul 23, 2017 13:42
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Oh wow I only just realized they made bags and belts worth taking again. I wonder when that happened. Still sad they made fast adaptation not work against ghosts anymore. Ghosts are the worst.
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh wow I only just realized they made bags and belts worth taking again. I wonder when that happened.
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh wow I only just realized they made bags and belts worth taking again. I wonder when that happened. 1.1 and uuurk i was thinking Fast Adaptation would be a good thing on a swordie VS ghosts but apperntly not now
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Day 80 and I fight my first goblin ambushers. Those fuckers do not care one bit that all of my dudes are badasses. Goblins are the worst. Actually fought a plethora of wolf riders a week before. Lucked out on the map but they still killed their way through my company.
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Gridlocked posted:1.1 Maybe it still works with melee attacks? I havent actually checked that. It used to work with ranged attacks though.
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Affi posted:Day 80 and I fight my first goblin ambushers. I sometimes have trouble with them as well. Usually having agile/dodgy spearmen use spearwall to guide them into my melee blenders is the way to go, but they still manage to slip the net now and again.
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how did they change B&B? i haven't played recently and the wiki says it just gives 2 new slots still.
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Jul 24, 2017 14:31
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Coolguye posted:how did they change B&B? i haven't played recently and the wiki says it just gives 2 new slots still. No extra fatigue for the stuff in your pockets?
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oh so it's back to its former glory of pre 1.0? that OWNS.
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Ugh, was having so much fun getting back into the game, killing raiders and orcs and undead. Great times all around. Then every encounter becomes loving skeletons and now I don't want to play anymore God I loving hate skeletons, I wish I could remove them from the game. They are just so... unsatisfying to fight. They are all mostly identical so there's no real prioritization beyond kill the fuckers with the pikes first. They having boring but effective behaviour. Immune to all the fun stuff like fear, injuries, and ranged attacks. It's just... even if I win, it never feels like the fight was worth it. I would never willingly seek out a fight with skeletons the way I would with almost everyone else. I really hope I don't get the damned Ancient Dead crisis again.
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Speaking of undead, what're the best weapons to deal with them? Just piles of greatswords, hammers, and cleavers?
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Arcturas posted:Speaking of undead, what're the best weapons to deal with them? Just piles of greatswords, hammers, and cleavers? Greatswords can reach the backline, so they're the best against Legionary bricks. I also play with a Two-handed Hammer and a Greataxe bro in the center of my front line, and those two together can carve through the sword & board Legionaries in a turn or two, then use Footwork to start tearing into the backline. Ancient Dead shields have poo poo durability, so a Greataxe or Longaxe wielder with Axe Mastery is guaranteed to one-shot them. And yeah, Cleavers are good as well, since Ancient Dead fights are just about putting out as much damage as possible before your bros run out of Fatigue and the Legionaries with polearms have shredded their armor. Against regular Undead, a lot of weapons can be good. Cleavers are good, not just because they can prevent reanimations, but also because, Bleed effect or not, they do a ton of damage against enemies in light/medium armor. Fallen Heroes with two-handed weapons are the most threatening individual enemies, but a bro with a Mace and shield can just go Stun, Knock Back, and that Fallen Hero is not attacking for his next two activations. Bow archers are obviously the best against Necromancers, and also against the Nachzehrers that like to hang out with Wiedergänger hordes. Swords and spears help against ghosts and can put out a lot of attacks for little Fatigue.
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Flank with greatswords and mace specialists if you got any, hammers, clubs and long axes at the line.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:30
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Jul 24, 2017 19:53
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If I could mod one thing about this game I would make it so bros keep getting proper stat increases after Level 11.
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I would make it so fallen heroes headgear wasn't penalised. Because that poo poo looks dope on my dudes heads!
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I would make barbers also be haberdashers so there was a point. And also combine it wirh a no helmets mod.
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What signals an ambush? Yesterday I met a group of orcs in a "hunt greenskins" mission in a forest, and we lined up proper in two lines on each end as usual, and today I had the exact same mission, and engaged them, but this time I got the "cannot see attacker" message and they swarmed from all sides, killing all my best dudes before I knew what happened.
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Is it wise to have heavy armor on your Bros before they reach level 3? I've had some lucky loot drops and some damaged gear in the cities that I was able to purchase so my 7 front line guys are rocking heavy helmets and chest pieces and its around day 5. Should they be in lighter stuff until they can handle the more heavy gear? I'm wondering if the extra fatigue is worth the increased survivability.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Is it wise to have heavy armor on your Bros before they reach level 3? I've had some lucky loot drops and some damaged gear in the cities that I was able to purchase so my 7 front line guys are rocking heavy helmets and chest pieces and its around day 5. Should they be in lighter stuff until they can handle the more heavy gear? I'm wondering if the extra fatigue is worth the increased survivability. I would say generally if they're not dropping below 60 fatigue you're probably okay. Below 60 in any fight you will very quickly get into serious fatigue issues where your guys can only swing their weapons once or twice before they're exhausted, at which point the added protection from the heavy armour probably isn't going to do them much good because your enemies will be hitting you twice as often as you hit them. Even 60 is actually too low but it's about the lowest you can go and still expect to get away with it most of the time.
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vyelkin posted:I would say generally if they're not dropping below 60 fatigue you're probably okay. Below 60 in any fight you will very quickly get into serious fatigue issues where your guys can only swing their weapons once or twice before they're exhausted, at which point the added protection from the heavy armour probably isn't going to do them much good because your enemies will be hitting you twice as often as you hit them. Okay, cool. I don't remember offhand but the lowest fatigue on the front line is around 71 iirc. I'll be bumping the fatigue with the next few level ups. Getting the Brawny perk at level 3 or 4 should help a lot too.
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I put my newbies in heavy armor if I have it even if it sinks their fatigue low enough to make them less useful, because let's be honest - they're not gonna be useful anyway. Their job is to stand around, eat enemy attacks (since the enemy will prioritize them and their lower defenses over my more skilled folks) while my experienced mercs deal the bulk of the damage, and try to survive long enough to gain a few levels. Even early in the game, I'll tend to distribute heavy armor and remove shields - it eats attacks effectively (maybe using two handers!) and lets them do more damage with their swings, and the lack of shields restores some of that missing fatigue.
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That early in the game I'd actually be willing to drop below 60 Fatigue for heavy armor. A lot of the early game enemies just bounce off anything heavier than a Mail Hauberk. Auxiliaries, Direwolves and basic Wiedergängers expecially. Against Brigands and Armorerd Wiedergängers you'd need to prioritize targets, but heavy armor can defang at least half of them.
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How useful is that unbalanced debuff that hammers and pikes place on hits? I haven't gotten stuck with it myself for ages, so I can't check.
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The what.
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Tias posted:How useful is that unbalanced debuff that hammers and pikes place on hits? I haven't gotten stuck with it myself for ages, so I can't check. are you talking about staggered for hammers?
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Roobanguy posted:are you talking about staggered for hammers? Yes. Also, some effect with the same pictogram if you use your pikes pushback attack. I don't know if they're identical or if it's just the pic.
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Tias posted:Yes. Also, some effect with the same pictogram if you use your pikes pushback attack. I don't know if they're identical or if it's just the pic. couldn't tell you about the pike's since ive all but transitioned to war scythes/billhooks on my pikemen, but staggered can be useful. pushing an enemies turn all the way to the back of the order can let you kill them before they can fight back.
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How do you guys deal with those teleporting vampire fucks? Those things are just devastating.
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I was escorting a caravan last night and ran into some orcs for the first time. Yeah, gonna wait a long while before I take on those guys.
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counterfeitsaint posted:How do you guys deal with those teleporting vampire fucks? Those things are just devastating. Dismiss your missile guys from the order, have lots of mobile sword/cleaver/2H wielders, cut them to ribbons. Just keep maneuvering so you don't expose wounded brothers too much to their attacks.
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Also, everyone going into those fights needs heavy armor. I'd rather go into a fight against Necrosavants with less than 12 bros than have someone that will just be a blood bag. Nets and, if your bros are accurate enough (~80 Melee Skill or higher), Maces can also help keep them in place or at least prevent an attack.
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This ^^^^ In general, trimming off bros to meet difficult foes with optimally trained and equipped but less numerous veterans can be a good idea.
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Yeah necrosavants really come down to nets, stuns, heavy armour, and making sure anyone wounded is never exposed. You can game them a little bit and predict where they're going to go if you leave someone exposed, but the downside is then they're liable to get eaten. God help you if they attack while you're escorting a caravan because the caravan hands and donkeys are just a meal waiting to happen.
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Never open the box that lets them out, because it's a caravan fight that's also an ambush with a large group of 'em, and you get no chance to swap out dudes. What a nightmare that was.
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i've seriously never gotten the appeal of opening the loving boxes on a caravan. i mean yeah sure you could have a very nice payday if you roll well and everything comes up daisies. but if you don't roll well and poo poo goes south it usually goes south in such a way that people die. i can always go out and get more money, it's a lot harder to replace a good soldier after the first ~10 days, when you slowly start weeding out the abject morons.
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