Winter Stormer posted:

Final Fantasy XIV is a real and good MMO which has facial emotes as well as the regular MMO bullshit emotes. Here's my catgirl demonstrating "/ouch" during /blackrangerposea in front of some shifty dude the latest expansion added.



(Sorry for darkness, it's night in game)

Tippis posted:

And then there's Katherine Johnson — the OG computer:


…as in, the person who computed the launch windows, orbits, return paths and everything else that made space flight safe(ish) for everything from Mercury to Apollo to the space shuttle program (and who double-checked the machine calculations, because you can't fully trust those with something that important).

The Titanic posted:

Yes this has been my opinion for a long, long time.

The huge majority doesn't play it at all.

The people who already bought in are mostly mitigated, forced to use cumbersome Spectrum, reducing their communication ability.

Somebody on discord was talking about their role play stuff, and it's been spotted on Twitter, and CIG seems to pander to it a lot. I guess I'm curious if all these people are playing the game right now via their role play stuff. Though I can't imagine there are millions of people, they probably have more fun with that than actually trying to role play inside the game.

Curiously enough, one of CIGs big pushes has been immersion and apparently feeding the role playing community they have, but I have not seen any moves towards making the game itself role play friendly. Things like modeling liquid in a glass is the absolute dumbest poo poo, and won't help anybody be immersed, role play, or have a better gameplay experience in any way. The most they have for role play immersion is a global chat window and emotes. The emotes are also seemingly of the usual useless MMO variety like dancing and saluting.

They keep promoting their facial animation, but it's in regards to motion capture movies. They should be trying to press the boundaries and allow users minute control over facial features, like small smiles, knowing winks, clever things that no MMO (that I know of) have done before to feed a social role playing community instead of a action based one.

With CIG maybe launching with next to nothing to keep players out occupied, the role play community is their best hope to keep fanning the money flames.

Ultimately though CIG is just a glorified Photoshop sales simulator, trying to see and test how lovely of a Photoshop can sell to set the bar for how much effort needs to go into a Photoshop before people will not buy it. The car they're selling is worse than some fan Photoshops now, but it's still selling.

Combat Theory posted:

Titanic, I think it was C-Bag who asked me about my thoughts on Derek and I mentioned there that actually the strongest argument against cig is the game on people's computers. That has been the case for the better of 2 years now (since the introduction of the PU, the gameplay quality has been in a constant downward spiral). I mean I looked through this thread for many months from the outside and I think what sticked to most people is the videos of pgabz doing basic stuff in the PU that looks absolutely hilarious already because the game design and code execution are so bad.

Now imagine you don't just scratch the the surface of the game but you actually go in and analyze the whole behavior, networking and game stats with payoff for pvp in mind. You find absolutely horrible poo poo. And you don't need a big happening to expose that. It's on people's computers the moment they download the game. There are so many horror stories to be told I think I deliberately forgot half of them.

But just let me make an example shall I? One of my favorite issues, the desync

Star citizen uses a technique called spline based prediction, which means that for the movement of other ships over network, your client uses additional information like speed, acceleration and even jerk (the change of acceleration over time) to interpolate or predict the movement between networking updates. If you know the flight parameters of the ship (another great story of cig hose ups by the way) and the refresh rate of the network updates, you can calculate the worst case positional desync for a given ping.

Let's say you play international with 200ms of ping. After some mechanical mumbo jumbo you reach a positional desync max of 15 centimeters for an agile fighter.

Sounds pretty good honestly, especially considered that this desync is a singular event and despite any ping can be held at zero as long as the player on the other end doesn't change his flight inputs.

But not for cig.

Fidelity first in mind, cig introduced a time buffer into the prediction code. This time buffer allocates a certain amount of movement lag between the physical ship and it's visual representation. It intentionally desyncs the visual ship from the actual combat code so to speak. All for havin the fidelity of smooth movement on your client.

This comes with huge tradeoffs. Their entire combat model is now desynced from the visual happening by a distance of speed*time buffer. Usually between 20-70 meters.

That means their entire procedual damage model (which is shader based on the ship model), their targeting solutions, their hit registration and hit recognition, their entire combat model... Is off by a ridiculous amount. Stuff like the damage model or explosive projectiles which use check physics with either three visual or the physical model simply refuse to work. You can't use explosive projectiles in multiplayer. The damage model doesn't display in multiplayer. And it has been that way since late 2015.

This is the water on the Mills of us who say the game is doomed. Much more than any dubious happening behind the scenes. Everyone can see this. Everyone can experience this.

Combat Theory posted:

Talking about women in computer science, I'm sure some of you already knew the story of Margaret Hamilton, but for those who don't, she was the programmer for the Apollo guidance computer. Here's a picture of her with the printed out source code that she wrote for it.

Combat Theory posted:

Titanic, I think it was C-Bag who asked me about my thoughts on Derek and I mentioned there that actually the strongest argument against cig is the game on people's computers. That has been the case for the better of 2 years now (since the introduction of the PU, the gameplay quality has been in a constant downward spiral). I mean I looked through this thread for many months from the outside and I think what sticked to most people is the videos of pgabz doing basic stuff in the PU that looks absolutely hilarious already because the game design and code execution are so bad.

Now imagine you don't just scratch the the surface of the game but you actually go in and analyze the whole behavior, networking and game stats with payoff for pvp in mind. You find absolutely horrible poo poo. And you don't need a big happening to expose that. It's on people's computers the moment they download the game. There are so many horror stories to be told I think I deliberately forgot half of them.

But just let me make an example shall I? One of my favorite issues, the desync

Star citizen uses a technique called spline based prediction, which means that for the movement of other ships over network, your client uses additional information like speed, acceleration and even jerk (the change of acceleration over time) to interpolate or predict the movement between networking updates. If you know the flight parameters of the ship (another great story of cig hose ups by the way) and the refresh rate of the network updates, you can calculate the worst case positional desync for a given ping.

Let's say you play international with 200ms of ping. After some mechanical mumbo jumbo you reach a positional desync max of 15 centimeters for an agile fighter.

Sounds pretty good honestly, especially considered that this desync is a singular event and despite any ping can be held at zero as long as the player on the other end doesn't change his flight inputs.

But not for cig.

Fidelity first in mind, cig introduced a time buffer into the prediction code. This time buffer allocates a certain amount of movement lag between the physical ship and it's visual representation. It intentionally desyncs the visual ship from the actual combat code so to speak. All for havin the fidelity of smooth movement on your client.

This comes with huge tradeoffs. Their entire combat model is now desynced from the visual happening by a distance of speed*time buffer. Usually between 20-70 meters.

That means their entire procedual damage model (which is shader based on the ship model), their targeting solutions, their hit registration and hit recognition, their entire combat model... Is off by a ridiculous amount. Stuff like the damage model or explosive projectiles which use check physics with either three visual or the physical model simply refuse to work. You can't use explosive projectiles in multiplayer. The damage model doesn't display in multiplayer. And it has been that way since late 2015.

This is the water on the Mills of us who say the game is doomed. Much more than any dubious happening behind the scenes. Everyone can see this. Everyone can experience this.

Dark Off posted:

and is there anykind of anti cheat process slowing this thing down?

Sindai posted:

I can't wait to slowly carry crates of salvage one by one from a wreck onto my ship. If there's one thing I crave in an action game, it's hours and hours of crate carrying. Bet those idiots who designed every other game ever to let you put stuff in your inventory with the press of a button are feeling pretty stupid now.

Dark Off posted:

interesting stuff i take it you went digging into the code to know this.
Do you happen to know how much of this is done client side?
and is there anykind of anti cheat process slowing this thing down?

Combat Theory posted:

Talking about women in computer science, I'm sure some of you already knew the story of Margaret Hamilton, but for those who don't, she was the programmer for the Apollo guidance computer. Here's a picture of her with the printed out source code that she wrote for it.

Dark Off posted:

https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11
heres the the code she wrote

Tippis posted:

Hawt.
Also explains why the print-out is so… well… tall — that's a lot of lines when you also figure that the original is probably teletyped or something to that effect, with a pretty appalling number of lines per page.

The Titanic posted:

They keep promoting their facial animation, but it's in regards to motion capture movies. They should be trying to press the boundaries and allow users minute control over facial features, like small smiles, knowing winks, clever things that no MMO (that I know of) have done before to feed a social role playing community instead of a action based one.

Combat Theory posted:

Talking about women in computer science, I'm sure some of you already knew the story of Margaret Hamilton, but for those who don't, she was the programmer for the Apollo guidance computer. Here's a picture of her with the printed out source code that she wrote for it.

Sillybones posted:

I really don't think that is true. It seems a bit an unreasonable number of pages.

Edit: Because women can't code. In case you missed that in my post.

Einbauschrank posted:

So that's the character Amy Farrah Fowler is based on. They even got the fashion sense right.

Combat Theory posted:

Titanic, I think it was C-Bag who asked me about my thoughts on Derek and I mentioned there that actually the strongest argument against cig is the game on people's computers. That has been the case for the better of 2 years now (since the introduction of the PU, the gameplay quality has been in a constant downward spiral). I mean I looked through this thread for many months from the outside and I think what sticked to most people is the videos of pgabz doing basic stuff in the PU that looks absolutely hilarious already because the game design and code execution are so bad.

Now imagine you don't just scratch the the surface of the game but you actually go in and analyze the whole behavior, networking and game stats with payoff for pvp in mind. You find absolutely horrible poo poo. And you don't need a big happening to expose that. It's on people's computers the moment they download the game. There are so many horror stories to be told I think I deliberately forgot half of them.

But just let me make an example shall I? One of my favorite issues, the desync

Star citizen uses a technique called spline based prediction, which means that for the movement of other ships over network, your client uses additional information like speed, acceleration and even jerk (the change of acceleration over time) to interpolate or predict the movement between networking updates. If you know the flight parameters of the ship (another great story of cig hose ups by the way) and the refresh rate of the network updates, you can calculate the worst case positional desync for a given ping.

Let's say you play international with 200ms of ping. After some mechanical mumbo jumbo you reach a positional desync max of 15 centimeters for an agile fighter.

Sounds pretty good honestly, especially considered that this desync is a singular event and despite any ping can be held at zero as long as the player on the other end doesn't change his flight inputs.

But not for cig.

Fidelity first in mind, cig introduced a time buffer into the prediction code. This time buffer allocates a certain amount of movement lag between the physical ship and it's visual representation. It intentionally desyncs the visual ship from the actual combat code so to speak. All for havin the fidelity of smooth movement on your client.

This comes with huge tradeoffs. Their entire combat model is now desynced from the visual happening by a distance of speed*time buffer. Usually between 20-70 meters.

That means their entire procedual damage model (which is shader based on the ship model), their targeting solutions, their hit registration and hit recognition, their entire combat model... Is off by a ridiculous amount. Stuff like the damage model or explosive projectiles which use check physics with either three visual or the physical model simply refuse to work. You can't use explosive projectiles in multiplayer. The damage model doesn't display in multiplayer. And it has been that way since late 2015.

This is the water on the Mills of us who say the game is doomed. Much more than any dubious happening behind the scenes. Everyone can see this. Everyone can experience this.

his nibs posted:

Found a connoisseur cat, who appreciates fidelity

Combat Theory posted:

poo poo

Sillybones posted:

I really don't think that is true. It seems a bit an unreasonable number of pages.

AP posted:

Meridian posted:

I do have a little bit more insight into MoMA's posting style though now. Am...I MoMA? Maybe he was inside us all, all along.

Winter Stormer posted:

Final Fantasy XIV is a real and good MMO which has facial emotes as well as the regular MMO bullshit emotes. Here's my catgirl demonstrating "/ouch" during /blackrangerposea in front of some shifty dude the latest expansion added.



(Sorry for darkness, it's night in game)

ManofManyAliases posted:

There's a little bit of MoMA in everyone.