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It's a massive clusterfuck, and the GD Marie Ågren is still getting her full salary even though she was fired six months ago. Hopefully Anna Johansson get fired though since she's completely incompetent and only has her position because of who her father was.
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lol if you think that S is actually left wing as opposed to the soulless gråsossar they've been for the past three to four decades.
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Jul 24, 2017 08:27
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Cardiac posted:And here I thought the current coalition was against privatization? See, there's your problem
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This god drat nation is farcical Can't at least the opposition torpedo the government so we can have some all-star political chaos?
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol if you think that S is actually left wing as opposed to the soulless gråsossar they've been for the past three to four decades. Well, to be fair being soulless gråsosse have worked enormously better than being fringe left wing so why give up a winning concept ? The question is how many ministers will go? Johansson is given, maybe Ygeman, possibly Hultqvist. If the opposition was smart, they would use this and other examples as a way of saying S is only after power. That would of course require them to be smart.
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Cardiac posted:Well, to be fair being soulless gråsosse have worked enormously better than being fringe left wing so why give up a winning concept ? It comes down to whether you seek power for the sake of power or if you have an actual desire to effect social change. The winning concept for a long time has been to use triangulation to find the sweet spot where you can maximise votes and tactically weaken opponents, usually at the cost of adopting their policies. It worked for M under Fredrik Reinfeldt and, as the pendulum swung back, for S under Löfvén, albeit not as convincingly. But S are mostly happy to jettison old ideas about social democracy as long as it means retaining centrist voters. As long as they get to be nominally on top they don't mind having half their policies sounding like they're out of (nya) M's playbook.
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Jul 24, 2017 10:29
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privatization is good
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Jul 24, 2017 10:47
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No actually I looked it up and it's bad
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Beeswax posted:It comes down to whether you seek power for the sake of power or if you have an actual desire to effect social change. The winning concept for a long time has been to use triangulation to find the sweet spot where you can maximise votes and tactically weaken opponents, usually at the cost of adopting their policies. It worked for M under Fredrik Reinfeldt and, as the pendulum swung back, for S under Löfvén, albeit not as convincingly. But S are mostly happy to jettison old ideas about social democracy as long as it means retaining centrist voters. As long as they get to be nominally on top they don't mind having half their policies sounding like they're out of (nya) M's playbook. Staying in power is the main game for politicians and that means catering to the public. S have the best track record on this than basically every other Democratic Party. All politicians are populists and pragmatists in varying degrees, except the idealists and those are the ones one should be worry about. The issue with S has more to do with S internal politics, where the internal game in S often seems to trump reality. Considering the recruitment issue in Swedish politics, we will continue to see this behavior in all parties.
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Jul 24, 2017 10:55
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Beeswax posted:No actually I looked it up and it's bad You are incorrect
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Jul 24, 2017 10:58
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I have it on good authority that it is better to blow stuff up than to privatize them.
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Cardiac posted:Well, to be fair being soulless gråsosse have worked enormously better than being fringe left wing so why give up a winning concept ? You mean that being a soulless gråsosse has worked insofar that it has let them coast along on the achievements made when S was actually left wing?
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Cardiac posted:All politicians are populists and pragmatists in varying degrees, except the idealists and those are the ones one should be worry about. This is terrible Reinfeldtian nonsense, but I don't expect us to find any common ground to discuss it on. Government Handjob posted:I have it on good authority that it is better to blow stuff up than to privatize them. Can confirm.
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Zzulu posted:privatization is good Good for Serbs!
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Cerebral Bore posted:You mean that being a soulless gråsosse has worked insofar that it has let them coast along on the achievements made when S was actually left wing? When was that? You have like 100 years of history to choose from.
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Here's a question. Is there a swedissh political party that isn't A) Hilariously corrupt B) Outragously inept or C) Horribly evil?
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A) No. B) No. C) gently caress no. This goes for all political parties anywhere, ever.
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McCloud posted:Here's a question. Is there a swedissh political party that isn't By Swedish or international standards? In the latter case none are particularly bad in any of the categories. Fun alternative: Borgerlig Samling
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Cardiac posted:When was that? Since you obviously slept during your history lessons, it was circa Hansson to Palme.
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Cardiac posted:And here I thought the current coalition was against privatization? 
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Next election I'm tempted to just grab a voting card from each party, shuffle them and stick a random one in the envelope and throw away the rest without looking. That or sneak in a photocopy of my butt. What does it even matter? 
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Jul 24, 2017 18:25
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I for one welcome our new SD overlords
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Cardiac posted:The question is how many ministers will go? Johansson is given, maybe Ygeman, possibly Hultqvist.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Since you obviously slept during your history lessons, it was circa Hansson to Palme. Including the time when S was in a ruling coalition with C? Or the time when S was part in the start of the institute for racial hygiene? Or the fact that Sweden didn't have particularly high taxes prior to the 60s? Also, which part of Palme? S success story is based on being able to join together working class with the middle class along with having an economy that kept growing rapidly until the 70s, due to reasons having nothing to do with S (see Picketty). It had very little to do with socialism and S downfall started in the 70s, when they verged to much to the left. BTW, S have spent a whole lot of effort in keeping V down throughout their history. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Cardiac posted:BTW, S have spent a whole lot of effort in keeping V down throughout their history.
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Poil posted:Next election I'm tempted to just grab a voting card from each party, shuffle them and stick a random one in the envelope and throw away the rest without looking. That or sneak in a photocopy of my butt. What does it even matter? Vote for me and I'll start deferring actual political decisions to this thread? 
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Jul 24, 2017 20:24
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Kindly gently caress off with your no true leftist bullshit, tia.
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol if you think that S is actually left wing as opposed to the soulless gråsossar they've been for the past three to four decades. Poil posted:Next election I'm tempted to just grab a voting card from each party, shuffle them and stick a random one in the envelope and throw away the rest without looking. That or sneak in a photocopy of my butt. What does it even matter? evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol if you think that S is actually left wing Cerebral Bore posted:Kindly gently caress off with your no true leftist bullshit, tia. 
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Strangely enough, words have meanings.
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol if you think that S is actually left wing as opposed to the soulless gråsossar they've been for the past three to four decades. I like how the term 'outsourcing' is being used instead of privatization when that is exactly what they did. Like the scandal is kinda eh to me but the decision that created the scandal in the first place speaks so much to the true colours of the people currently in charge of government.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Strangely enough, words have meanings. Please use better words to effect better posting
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Beeswax posted:Please use better words to effect better posting Is the concept of change confusing to you or what?
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No, I just think lovely, petulant posts like that add nothing to the thread.
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The outsourcing wasn't even a social democrat-initiated project, it goes way back to loving 2012. This summary of the Säpo investigation explained a lot.
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I wonder if they also think the person in charge of the fire alarm and emergency exits are also just making mountains out of molehills all the time.MiddleOne posted:Vote for me and I'll start deferring actual political decisions to this thread? evil_bunnY posted:Could at least make it goatse
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Poil posted:Hmmmm. What is your policy on no-restrictions assisted suicide?
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Poil posted:Hmmmm. What is your policy on no-restrictions assisted suicide? I worry that if we enacted that then the European Court of Justice and Commission would like to have words.
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Pft, what have they ever done for us? A Buttery Pastry posted:I assume this means you can legally kill anybody, as long as you remember to say that they wanted you to do it. Not sure how I feel about it, not an easy issue to untangle.
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The Netherlands are already basically doing that since 2002. The government followed by cutting mental-, addiction-, sick-care and pensions. Tired of being a burden to your family? Literally go kill yourself. We legalized suicide as a treatment option, yeee-haaw! This is an actual thing and it's terrifying
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