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Carecat posted:Total amount of man hours spent arguing about gaming and gender: More than the rest of human history combined
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Jul 24, 2017 14:39
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You forgot about the latest version of whatever tatty volleyball game was not translated into English. The real fear with the gamers are dead stuff is that the community get wider, and suddenly nobody much placates to them anymore. It's like gentrification of the games space, but the people getting pushed out to the shabby fringes actually deserve it.
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Jul 24, 2017 14:41
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Its weird because those games were already pretty niche and inaccessable to people outside of their own specific bubble with extremely little chance of hitting mainstream appeal. Having random people complaining about pixelated tits or whatever really doesnt do as much damage as they think it does.
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Jul 24, 2017 14:53
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But that is all about avoiding higher age ratings, a mainstream media reaction and/or retailers refusing to stock your game. None of that is impacted by SJWs or feminists.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:06
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The titty game in question also already had an English language option and wasn't region locked. All they're complaining about is having to buy it through amazon japan not amazon us. It was truly the worst possible hill to die on.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:13
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Wait, they're complaining about having to import games from Japan? I remember back when gamers loved that poo poo, because it meant that they had the games that normies didn't. What changed?
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Jul 24, 2017 15:18
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Yup. In addition the the game's US release was cancelled due to low sales of the previous American releases, not some sort of media pressure. Turns out everyone just imported the game from Japan instead of waiting for the US release.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:27
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It's because these losers have no greater identity. Gamer is a surrogate identity or just a straight up dog whistle for the whiteman club. Women and black people being recognized as people who play video games with marketing decisions being made around them infringes on that. What's being lost is the sense of tribe. The complaints about anything in the video games is superficial.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:33
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Guavanaut posted:Wait, they're complaining about having to import games from Japan? Free market economics is censorship. The latest version of this is the director for the senran kagura games, which are porn games disguised as brawler games, said in an interview that future releases might be toned down because he was the big gaming news sites to review and talk about his games.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:34
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It's because these losers have no greater identity. Gamer is a surrogate identity or just a straight up dog whistle for the whiteman club. Women and black people being recognized as people who play video games with marketing decisions being made around them infringes on that. What's being lost is the sense of tribe. The complaints about anything in the video games is superficial. I notice too that they really loving hate representation. When trans characters started showing up in movies and TV, I didn't hear a bunch of uprising about it, but the second a trans character is in a video game, there's a loving fit thrown online from the GG crowd. Although, to be a little fair to them, it doesn't help when it's handled with a total lack of subtlety like in Mass Effect Andromeda.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:36
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BigRed0427 posted:Free market economics is censorship. Well that makes sense, the "rationals" have outright said that the Internet, including private sites, are "public spaces" and free speech means freedom from all consequences no matter what you say.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:39
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WampaLord posted:I notice too that they really loving hate representation. When trans characters started showing up in movies and TV, I didn't hear a bunch of uprising about it, but the second a trans character is in a video game, there's a loving fit thrown online from the GG crowd. It doesn't matter to these fuckos how it's handled, the mere fact that a game includes little nods to inclusion is the ultimate sin in their eyes. It's always "shoved down their throats".
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Jul 24, 2017 15:44
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I vaguely remember people being REALLY insistent that skull kid in Nier wasn't gay despite it being explicitly stated in the game.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:56
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Just because Tracer kisses her roommate on the lips doesn't mean she's gay!
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Jul 24, 2017 15:58
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BigRed0427 posted:Free market economics is censorship.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:59
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BigRed0427 posted:Free market economics is censorship. I don't understand why anyone plays trash games like that instead of watching some porn, rubbing one out, and moving on to playing actually good games. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 16:19
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Huzanko posted:I don't understand why anyone plays trash games like that instead of watching some porn, rubbing one out, and moving on to playing actually good games. Electronic GFE.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:25
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Also, I know this is the Youtube Intellectual Mock thread, but this entire Twitter episode is gold: http://drinking-tea-at-midnight.tumblr.com/post/163301247860/themightyglamazon-tabbran-darthkres tl;dr Some sexist d-bag gets very irate and flips tables over being called "lemon man".
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Jul 24, 2017 16:27
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Huzanko posted:I don't understand why anyone plays trash games like that instead of watching some porn, rubbing one out, and moving on to playing actually good games. This is my reaction to when devs take out titty armour/generally make games less pandering and the typical manchildren throw a fit. They seem to just want their dicks catered to 24/7.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:28
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Electronic GFE. Man there are better ways to get even that than waste time on a lovely musou game where you play as a big-titty anime girl.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:30
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SteelMentor posted:This is my reaction to when devs take out titty armour/generally make games less pandering and the typical manchildren throw a fit. They seem to just want their dicks catered to 24/7. I don't get that either. It's not the 90s anymore, where you need to jerk-off to either the Sears catalog or MAYBE wait 2 hours for a 1 minute mpeg to buffer over RealPlayer. This is all just about incels who don't want games to cater any more to women because it's seen as a victory for women who won't gently caress them. It's the same with Republicans and Nazis (but I repeat myself), too. "I don't gently caress" => "I hate that which will not gently caress me and anything they do gently caress." Authoritarianism and patriarchy are psychosexual.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:35
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Huzanko posted:Man there are better ways to get even that than waste time on a lovely musou game where you play as a big-titty anime girl. Yeah, I think I was mistaken. I would say that there is strong tendency to want control over their subjects, not companionship. From an incel's perspective, women should literally be subservient, slightly animated fleshlights. Sexual gratification is secondary to control and personal empowerment (like legal rape?).
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Jul 24, 2017 16:41
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Even then, there's an entire subgenres of explicit porn games out there to cater to whatever psychosexual fuckups they have. That they're so fervently devoted to what amounts to softcore teasing is mindboggling.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:44
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The incel thread in GBS is fascinating. They exhibit an incredible amount of self-loathing while simultaneously despising all women for not having sex with them, even though at least one probably would if they got over their self-loathing. They just assume all women will inevitably reject them and use that as the basis for their contempt.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:45
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Also, I know this is the Youtube Intellectual Mock thread, but this entire Twitter episode is gold: http://drinking-tea-at-midnight.tumblr.com/post/163301247860/themightyglamazon-tabbran-darthkres This is pretty amazing.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:49
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Just because Tracer kisses her roommate on the lips doesn't mean she's gay! Yo man, friends do that all the time. Just friends being friendly. Friends also eat each other out all the time as a gesture of friendship.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:55
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Yo man, friends do that all the time. Just friends being friendly. Friends also eat each other out all the time as a gesture of friendship. Just two besties going halfsies on an double ended dilz. No big deal. I do that with my roommate all the time.
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Jul 24, 2017 16:59
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Electronic GFE. Huzanko posted:I don't get that either. It's not the 90s anymore, where you need to jerk-off to either the Sears catalog or MAYBE wait 2 hours for a 1 minute mpeg to buffer over RealPlayer. I mean, there's also a power fantasy aspect to it. Games are a 'safe space' where their feelings of being on the outside are validated, where nothing is wrong and it's not their fault they can't talk to women or form meaningful connections, it's Folding Ideas talks about this in his critique of Fight Club. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td88z08a_4c Here, he points out that people who gather sometimes fail to recognise the underlying reasons for some action and ascribe meaning to the action itself. He actively goes on the talk about how gamers typically pretend that misogyny occurs outside their system, in the 'dudebro' culture, and thus they can't be misogynist.because they reject 'sportsball' and the trappings that come with it. What's notable is that they do the same thing with girls in their video games. Take Senran Kagura, for example. 'These girls aren't a sex thing, look at how much rear end they kick!' It doesn't matter that the character is dressed like a stripper, it doesn't matter that every motion is designed for you to ogle her. In their mind, she does badass things, like 'enlightened women' do, so who cares that sh'e's a sex object. You don't complain that Scarlett Johansson in the Avengers is sexy, why should you here? What's also interesting, the Folding ideas only kinda goes into, is that these groups often create a hierarchy identical to the one that they're rejected from, albeit with them at the top, and that they therefore enjoy the privilege they feel is afforded to them, In Fight Club, Tyler Durden enjoys free bus rides, free meals, all sorts of perks for being 'one of the insiders'. Enjoying titty anime is 'one of the perks'. The issue isn't with the system, but the desired form. 'Gamers' constantly pretend that they were bullied for being gamers, because the movies of the 80's focused heavily on them as the stereotypical 'losers'. So they're 'the underdogs', the 'freedom loving rogues' who don't conform. Except the reason they weren't accepted into the previous system wasn't games, but their lack of social grace. And the new system is exactly the same, just with them on top. So when feminists or mainstream people or, hell,anyone with a dissenting opinion comes along and recognises the system, or tries to change it, they fight back. Because if their system is taken from them, then their identity goes. And then maybe they'll have to face the fact that their system was the same, that they created a facsimile because they 'couldn't hack it' in the real world. Ready Player One is basically a perfect example of that: A pretentious pile of the authors favourite cultural flotsam, where the main character literally leaves the 'crappy' world behind, because that's how the author sees himself. EDIT: Pembroke Fuse posted:Yeah, I think I was mistaken. I would say that there is strong tendency to want control over their subjects, not companionship. From an incel's perspective, women should literally be subservient, slightly animated fleshlights. Sexual gratification is secondary to control and personal empowerment (like legal rape?). Torchlighter fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 17:05
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rkajdi posted:EDIT: Also look like Kevin Logan's channel got taken down due to mass flagging. Wonder how long that will last for. He's got a back up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCYbGeTvLoXoBaTP-i96UtZw
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Jul 24, 2017 17:17
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Torchlighter posted:
In the incel thread there are reddit posts about how they know prostitutes really despise them and shudder at their touch, and that makes them so angry that they want to hurt and humiliate the prostitutes even though they're literally getting exactly what they have agreed to pay for. They're some scary loving dudes.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:40
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Crain posted:Hell even the SJW label makes more sense now since they never had to deal with a large population that just agrees with each other about not being an rear end in a top hat to people, and the Evangelicals who pushed back before would legit call themselves "Holy Warriors". "Social Justice Warrior" actually originated from social justice communities themselves, it referred to people who were aggressively serious, humorless and extremely overzealous about the whole thing. Like, those people who sent death threats to a young woman for drawing Steven Universe fan art they perceived as "whitewashing" the characters are textbook SJWs by that definition. Like "fake news" it got co-opted.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:48
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business hammocks posted:The incel thread in GBS is fascinating. They exhibit an incredible amount of self-loathing while simultaneously despising all women for not having sex with them, even though at least one probably would if they got over their self-loathing. They just assume all women will inevitably reject them and use that as the basis for their contempt. Ultimately I get that the whole "incel" identity is more about hating women than it is about not having sex, but even then the focus on how sex is so loving important in their lives just weirds me out. Sure it's great fun, but I've seen them go so far as to state that it's a "fundamental human need" like food or water or shelter. I just can't wrap my head about being that loving obsessed with...loving. I'm not trying to humble brag about anything, and hell If you just put numbers on paper I'm probably in the same boat as them. But, like, I just don't give a poo poo. Looking around at the adults I know, friends, family, etc. Do they really think that most people are knee deep in poon whenever they want it? And they're just some odd exception, but through no applicable fault of their own? The reality of what sex actually is to the world at large, post HS/College/early post college at least, is so detached from what they like to claim that I just can't figure out where their hosed up world view came from. I'm sure most of the mentality comes from porn and not having (or listening) to role models and figures in their lives. I can't even really come up with a good analogy it's so out there. We need something akin to Big Brothers, Big Sisters for people like this. Just force them to get out, meet nice people and try to break them out of these self made complexes.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:49
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business hammocks posted:In the incel thread there are reddit posts about how they know prostitutes really despise them and shudder at their touch, and that makes them so angry that they want to hurt and humiliate the prostitutes even though they're literally getting exactly what they have agreed to pay for. They're some scary loving dudes. It's interesting and lovely how limited this self-recognition/loathing is. Instead of working to overturn society's constructs of masculinity or beauty they just drill down into that poo poo with the "sexual economy". The patriarchy is literally hurting them by making them believe they are revolting (compared to the masculine standard of appearance and capitalist achievement) and they just keep re-enforcing it.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:51
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Just two besties going halfsies on an double ended dilz. No big deal. I do that with my roommate all the time. My friends and I routinely jerk each other off in the locker room after a hot, sweaty workout. No homo.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:53
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business hammocks posted:The incel thread in GBS is fascinating. They exhibit an incredible amount of self-loathing while simultaneously despising all women for not having sex with them, even though at least one probably would if they got over their self-loathing. They just assume all women will inevitably reject them and use that as the basis for their contempt. I'm mad. I don't want a solution. I want to be mad.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:53
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Pembroke Fuse posted:It's interesting and lovely how limited this self-recognition/loathing is. Instead of working to overturn society's constructs of masculinity or beauty they just drill down into that poo poo with the "sexual economy". The patriarchy is literally hurting them by making them believe they are revolting (compared to the masculine standard of appearance and capitalist achievement) and they just keep re-enforcing it. pretty much. alot of them seem to believe(though this is more alt right types) that if they were born in middle ages/renassance/nazi germany. they would flourish. they wouldnt.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:57
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They're that guy from Confederacy of Dunces
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Jul 24, 2017 18:01
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Crain posted:Ultimately I get that the whole "incel" identity is more about hating women than it is about not having sex, but even then the focus on how sex is so loving important in their lives just weirds me out. Sure it's great fun, but I've seen them go so far as to state that it's a "fundamental human need" like food or water or shelter. i can sorta understand it. i could have been one of these people if i didnt have good parents/make other choices. i have various physical disabilities which has made it hard to date and alot of women wouldnt give me the time of day. and i would never get responses on dating sites. eventualy i got lucky and i found my current gf.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:06
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Dapper_Swindler posted:pretty much. alot of them seem to believe(though this is more alt right types) that if they were born in middle ages/renassance/nazi germany. they would flourish. they wouldnt. See also: Japan/Korea/other sufficiently foreign country will totally get me and accept me as a great person. Visits said country WHY IS NO ONE FAWNING OVER ME!?
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Torchlighter posted:'Gamers' constantly pretend that they were bullied for being gamers, because the movies of the 80's focused heavily on them as the stereotypical 'losers'. So they're 'the underdogs', the 'freedom loving rogues' who don't conform. Except the reason they weren't accepted into the previous system wasn't games, but their lack of social grace. Crain posted:Ultimately I get that the whole "incel" identity is more about hating women than it is about not having sex, but even then the focus on how sex is so loving important in their lives just weirds me out. Sure it's great fun, but I've seen them go so far as to state that it's a "fundamental human need" like food or water or shelter. Also they've read about as much of his works as Carl reads of any work ever, and many of his ideas have been strongly challenged by academia for legitimate reasons, but it's a cool triangle that you can read in the same time as it takes to read an infographic and it has sex as a physiological need, therefore  Crain posted:I just can't wrap my head about being that loving obsessed with...loving. I'm not trying to humble brag about anything, and hell If you just put numbers on paper I'm probably in the same boat as them. But, like, I just don't give a poo poo. Looking around at the adults I know, friends, family, etc. Do they really think that most people are knee deep in poon whenever they want it? And they're just some odd exception, but through no applicable fault of their own?
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