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Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Crain posted:

Do they really think that most people are knee deep in poon whenever they want it? And they're just some odd exception, but through no applicable fault of their own?

You can thank the hyper-sexualized media for that (and hentai). Everyone is loving all the time except them.

Crain posted:

Sure it's great fun, but I've seen them go so far as to state that it's a "fundamental human need" like food or water or shelter.

I think companionship is a fundamental (unenforceable) need, but they can't really understand that that's what they need, not sex.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
No that's higher up on the triangle, you have to max out food and sex before you get stat bonuses from companionship.
:goonsay:

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008
I'd say they used intelligence, wisdom, strength and charisma as dump stats... but what did they dump them into? A death grip on the chicken?

fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Lightning Lord posted:

"Social Justice Warrior" actually originated from social justice communities themselves, it referred to people who were aggressively serious, humorless and extremely overzealous about the whole thing. Like, those people who sent death threats to a young woman for drawing Steven Universe fan art they perceived as "whitewashing" the characters are textbook SJWs by that definition.

Like "fake news" it got co-opted.

I would be an SJW, but I'm too busy avoiding STDs.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Crain posted:


I just can't wrap my head about being that loving obsessed with...loving. I'm not trying to humble brag about anything, and hell If you just put numbers on paper I'm probably in the same boat as them. But, like, I just don't give a poo poo. Looking around at the adults I know, friends, family, etc. Do they really think that most people are knee deep in poon whenever they want it? And they're just some odd exception, but through no applicable fault of their own?

it's not really about sex, it's about poor social skills and lack of ability to form meaningful relationships. but it's easier to frame it in terms of "i'm unfuckable" versus "i'm unfriendable" because they probably have superficial friendships with other awkward nerds

Midig
Apr 6, 2016

Huzanko posted:

I don't understand why anyone plays trash games like that instead of watching some porn, rubbing one out, and moving on to playing actually good games.

I mod a lot of Skyrim and frequently visit the nexus and /r/skyrimmods. Sometimes I check out TesGeneral on 4chan and remember why I left the last time. Lots of waifu mods, sex mods, character followers that are basically made for pedophiles. I really hate that part of the modding community. Something about the freedom to make what you want compels them to make the most poo poo content possible:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mod...D9279%26v%3D0.3

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rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

boner confessor posted:

it's not really about sex, it's about poor social skills and lack of ability to form meaningful relationships. but it's easier to frame it in terms of "i'm unfuckable" versus "i'm unfriendable" because they probably have superficial friendships with other awkward nerds

Pretty much. It's not so much that their inceldom is the problem, it's the symptom. The problem is these people are by hook or crook anti-social, and stand zero chance of making a real connection with anyone. I'm not certain the problem is even fixable. Just like a lot of stuff involving these guys, the solution is limiting their ability to screw the world up for normal people. I also don't expect this to be successful, because it would probably require getting rid of the wild west anonymous internet that lots of people seem very invested in.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Midig posted:

I mod a lot of Skyrim and frequently visit the nexus and /r/skyrimmods. Sometimes I check out TesGeneral on 4chan and remember why I left the last time. Lots of waifu mods, sex mods, character followers that are basically made for pedophiles. I really hate that part of the modding community. Something about the freedom to make what you want compels them to make the most poo poo content possible:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mod...D9279%26v%3D0.3

jesus. wtf is wrong with these people. just add gore mods and weapon/quest mods like a normal person. not meticulously done horse vaginas.

BirdOfPlay
Feb 19, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

rkajdi posted:

Pretty much. It's not so much that their inceldom is the problem, it's the symptom. The problem is these people are by hook or crook anti-social, and stand zero chance of making a real connection with anyone. I'm not certain the problem is even fixable. Just like a lot of stuff involving these guys, the solution is limiting their ability to screw the world up for normal people. I also don't expect this to be successful, because it would probably require getting rid of the wild west anonymous internet that lots of people seem very invested in.

I don't think the incel phenomenon can be boiled down to them being anti-social, because, then, they'd not want that companionship. I think it's more about them having hosed social skills. I was a "late bloomer" and went through similar things as what incels are complaining about. Like, I don't think it's important for a bunch of people to say "there, but for the Grace of God, go I" about this, but the fact that a fair number of poster could shows that it's a tad extreme to just write them off as a lost cause.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

jesus. wtf is wrong with these people. just add gore mods and weapon/quest mods like a normal person. not meticulously done horse vaginas.

Nude patches are a part of my gamer culture. :colbert:

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

rkajdi posted:

Pretty much. It's not so much that their inceldom is the problem, it's the symptom. The problem is these people are by hook or crook anti-social, and stand zero chance of making a real connection with anyone. I'm not certain the problem is even fixable. Just like a lot of stuff involving these guys, the solution is limiting their ability to screw the world up for normal people. I also don't expect this to be successful, because it would probably require getting rid of the wild west anonymous internet that lots of people seem very invested in.

Right, I mean being fuckable or not isn't so much the issue (And really, if you go down that road of weird MRA types, you'll notice how many of them talk about the act of sex in clinical terms, as though it's just something you have to do rather than want to) but it's more about inadequacy. They're socially awkward people who have been told by like-minded people that the real reason they're awkward is because of women.

All of a sudden the problem isn't them, it's these bitches who are standing in their way. It's also why there's this weird obsession with 'chads' or whathaveyou. What a surprise that they have special ire reserved for men who can actually talk to women.

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator

Pembroke Fuse posted:

Also, I know this is the Youtube Intellectual Mock thread, but this entire Twitter episode is gold: http://drinking-tea-at-midnight.tumblr.com/post/163301247860/themightyglamazon-tabbran-darthkres

tl;dr Some sexist d-bag gets very irate and flips tables over being called "lemon man".

Pro-click, although it may be as long as those "do you like the color of the sky" posts few years back.

If you don't like going to tumblr, here's the twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/markiplayer/status/886040753872539654

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Midig posted:

I mod a lot of Skyrim and frequently visit the nexus and /r/skyrimmods. Sometimes I check out TesGeneral on 4chan and remember why I left the last time. Lots of waifu mods, sex mods, character followers that are basically made for pedophiles. I really hate that part of the modding community. Something about the freedom to make what you want compels them to make the most poo poo content possible:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mod...D9279%26v%3D0.3

I have never understood the urge to turn a game into lovely porno. Whatever you can mod into the game can be found easier and better quality in just, you know, porn.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Who What Now posted:

I have never understood the urge to turn a game into lovely porno. Whatever you can mod into the game can be found easier and better quality in just, you know, porn.

I thought the parts where it's things like horse vaginas and child sex followers sort of makes the point. The mods are for sick fucks who want to have sex and porn that is illegal in decent places and in any case is highly or entirely predatory. The fact that you can't find the interest in any of this speaks to the idea that you are more well-adjusted than the loons we talk about on the thread. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm damning you with faint praise.

DrVenkman posted:

Right, I mean being fuckable or not isn't so much the issue (And really, if you go down that road of weird MRA types, you'll notice how many of them talk about the act of sex in clinical terms, as though it's just something you have to do rather than want to) but it's more about inadequacy. They're socially awkward people who have been told by like-minded people that the real reason they're awkward is because of women.

Yeah, that 's close to my assessment too. Seeing the selections of Roosh books that show up online in various places, the sex described in there doesn't exactly come off as fun for either party. Initially, it made me think that Roosh was just putting on a show, since much of his audience was just as inexperienced as he was. But on further contemplation, it's just that the guy uses sex as a score for himself, so actual pleasure in the event doesn't matter for either party. And a decent fraction of his followers are similar dead-behind-the-eyes sociopaths who agree with this position.

I'd like to think there's a decent number of women who are as frustrated in the same ways as these incel guys. However, we don't train women constantly that sex is their right regardless of the other person's wishes, so you just end up with sexually pent up awkward women instead of barely controlled rapists in waiting.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

SteelMentor posted:

This is my reaction to when devs take out titty armour/generally make games less pandering and the typical manchildren throw a fit. They seem to just want their dicks catered to 24/7.

And my reaction to people modding fallout and skyrim so that everyone is walking around with giant titties and bikinis on.

Like, how do you get from fallout/skyrim to weird fetish planet? How does the rest of the game jive with that?

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

It jives with it in being possible to put into it

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

OwlFancier posted:

And my reaction to people modding fallout and skyrim so that everyone is walking around with giant titties and bikinis on.

Like, how do you get from fallout/skyrim to weird fetish planet? How does the rest of the game jive with that?

idk. never did it. like i can sorta understand nude skins, sex perverts plus the perfect underware always looked bad, but the "hot sexy babe companion" mods, looks creepy as gently caress. also i think there were some mods/edits to make various dragon age characters white.

Fados
Jan 7, 2013
I like Malcolm X, I can't be racist!

Put this racist dipshit on ignore immediately!

rkajdi posted:

I thought the parts where it's things like horse vaginas and child sex followers sort of makes the point. The mods are for sick fucks who want to have sex and porn that is illegal in decent places and in any case is highly or entirely predatory. The fact that you can't find the interest in any of this speaks to the idea that you are more well-adjusted than the loons we talk about on the thread. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm damning you with faint praise.

I think you're making a jump that's unreasonable, it's not like you can install literal child sex simulator mods from the nexus (correct me if I'm wrong), afaik they don't allow it. Regardles you can probably get some pretty sick stuff closing in on actual illegal material but even then there is quality difference between a nexus mod and an actual pedophiliac porno movie (i would hope).

And even though I think it shouldn't be allowed to publicly serve pedo mods, (not privately cause I don't think you'd be able to internally program the game to restrict this short of banning game modability altogether), I disagree thst you can actually call it predatory to enjoy such mods because there is still a big difference in indulging in material of virtual characters who are made of pixels and watching actual pedo porno made at the cost of material children, who are in fact being predated.

rkajdi posted:

Yeah, that 's close to my assessment too. Seeing the selections of Roosh books that show up online in various places, the sex described in there doesn't exactly come off as fun for either party. Initially, it made me think that Roosh was just putting on a show, since much of his audience was just as inexperienced as he was. But on further contemplation, it's just that the guy uses sex as a score for himself, so actual pleasure in the event doesn't matter for either party. And a decent fraction of his followers are similar dead-behind-the-eyes sociopaths who agree with this position.

I'd like to think there's a decent number of women who are as frustrated in the same ways as these incel guys. However, we don't train women constantly that sex is their right regardless of the other person's wishes, so you just end up with sexually pent up awkward women instead of barely controlled rapists in waiting.

On the other hand hete I completely agree, the fact that Roosh kind of openly admits that he's worked up a life of picking up girls and not even enjoying the sex, is actual predatory behavior, and means that he's a de facto sociopath that should be imprisoned.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Fados posted:

I think you're making a jump that's unreasonable, it's not like you can install literal child sex simulator mods from the nexus (correct me if I'm wrong),

I'm pretty sure you can, actually.

Or rather I'm pretty sure you can install mods that let you gently caress anyone in the game with everything that entails.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Say what you want about TYT or Michael Tracey, this is still a relatively interesting interview with a person writing about the Alt-Right and the like, author of "Kill All Normies" Angela Nagle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bybELxJJtwY

Fados
Jan 7, 2013
I like Malcolm X, I can't be racist!

Put this racist dipshit on ignore immediately!

OwlFancier posted:

I'm pretty sure you can, actually.

Or rather I'm pretty sure you can install mods that let you gently caress anyone in the game with everything that entails.

Well I went and checked and there's explicit mention in the nexus guidelines about mods that would allow pedophiliac content to be experienced being prohibited. Those that pop up usually get flagged by the community and removed. There is some controversy with some mods that make too easy where one needs only to fiddle with a couple of texture files but no direct stuff like you mentioned.

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator

Who What Now posted:

I have never understood the urge to turn a game into lovely porno. Whatever you can mod into the game can be found easier and better quality in just, you know, porn.

Nah man, porn games hadn't yet reached the levels of some of those skyrim mods.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Fados posted:

I think you're making a jump that's unreasonable, it's not like you can install literal child sex simulator mods from the nexus (correct me if I'm wrong), afaik they don't allow it. Regardles you can probably get some pretty sick stuff closing in on actual illegal material but even then there is quality difference between a nexus mod and an actual pedophiliac porno movie (i would hope).

Considering the discussion is for people adding realistic horse vaginas and "character followers that are basically made for pedophiles" from Midig's original post. I'm not a Skyrim expert (I play other games, and thus don't have time to play Skyrim) so I'm taking them for their word on it. It also lines up pretty well with the stuff I've seen out of corners of the JRPG crowd, where you have people complaining about not getting panty shots/bath scenes of 16 year olds (Bravely Second/Agarest 2) and have entire normal entries in game series devolved into lovely pedo fetish quasi-dating games (Star Ocean: The Last Hope).

quote:

And even though I think it shouldn't be allowed to publicly serve pedo mods, (not privately cause I don't think you'd be able to internally program the game to restrict this short of banning game modability altogether), I disagree thst you can actually call it predatory to enjoy such mods because there is still a big difference in indulging in material of virtual characters who are made of pixels and watching actual pedo porno made at the cost of material children, who are in fact being predated.

Incorrect. Pedophilia is wanting to have sex with a person that cannot consent. This problem is definitional, meaning the only way to get around it would be to change how consent is formed, effectively defining down rape. Same with bestiality. There's an argument that someone simply having these urges and not acting on them is allowable, and I'm willing to entertain it. However, the preferred method of sexuality for these people is still predatory, and indulging in interactive porn for this can be rightly seen as a step toward actualizing. Interactivity is something that can't be easily dismissed, and seems like a pretty straight line towards actually offending. The solution is to either not indulge in anything of their preferred sexuality be it virtual or real, or get placed in a box to protect innocent children from them.

Again, I'd like to hope the gator crowd (which is really the Sargon crowd we spend lots of time discussing otherwise) wasn't rife with these people, but the stuff with 8chan shows that community is either themselves pedos or entirely fine with helping support the distribution of child porn. Either way, it's the kind of thing that needs to be punished or stamped out.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
back in the day if someone had sex with an animal both they and the animal could be put on trial haha

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, the moral objection against bestiality isn't one of consent. Otherwise we'd put the entire of the meat and dairy industry on trial for even worse things.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
sometimes people would be character witnesses for the animals 'oh she wasn't that type of donkey'.

seriously

e/

here we go lol

Jacques Ferron was a Frenchman who was tried and hanged in 1750 for copulation with a jenny (female donkey).

The trial took place in the commune of Vanvres and Ferron was found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging.In cases such as these it was usual that the animal would also be sentenced to death,[4] but in this case the she-rear end was acquitted. The court decided that the animal was a victim and had not participated of her own free will. A document, dated 19 September 1750, was submitted to the court on behalf of the she-rear end that attested to the virtuous nature of the animal. Signed by the parish priest and other principal residents of the commune it proclaimed that "they were willing to bear witness that she is in word and deed and in all her habits of life a most honest creature."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ferron_(bestiality)

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Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
Did they have an animal jail?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
it's called a farm

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

JFairfax posted:

it's called a farm

Can animals get probation?

How can animals have fair trials when they cant understand court proceedings

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

How can animals have fair trials when they cant understand court proceedings

Most people in court don't understand court proceedings. My dog and I would have exactly the same level of understanding as to when you are and aren't allowed to lick the judge.

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator

JFairfax posted:

sometimes people would be character witnesses for the animals 'oh she wasn't that type of donkey'.

seriously

e/

here we go lol

Jacques Ferron was a Frenchman who was tried and hanged in 1750 for copulation with a jenny (female donkey).

Wow, 1750? I've come across a book explaining the religious background on animal trials in the middle ages, but 1750 is what, the Renaissance? Weird.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Post-Renaissance, more like the last days of the Early Modern (which overlaps quite a bit and ends with the American and French revolutions). Liberté, égalité, bestialité.

Edible Hat
Jul 23, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
How likely is it that fuckface Disney just fired will become an alt-right star?

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Edible Hat posted:

How likely is it that fuckface Disney just fired will become an alt-right star?

Pewdiepie has gently caress you money at this point and doesnt care anymore if they call him alt-right

Edible Hat
Jul 23, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I was talking about Jake Paul, a human being I was blissfully ignorant of until yesterday.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Edible Hat posted:

I was talking about Jake Paul, a human being I was blissfully ignorant of until yesterday.

I'd put it at 50/50 after how well it's been working for PDP. Both have the same base audience (pre-teen girls) and it seems both wore out their welcome with their main content networks. Being alt-right seems to be the easiest way to make a cheap buck at the moment, so you're going to see lots of people jump onto it. But I doubt it'll stay long term (5+ years) because I think we're reaching the point where regular society is going to start curtailing the ability of internet randos to have the kind of influence they have. Either payment systems, video hosting sites, or just society at large is going to come down on this and the money will evaporate overnight.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

rkajdi posted:

I'd put it at 50/50 after how well it's been working for PDP. Both have the same base audience (pre-teen girls)

:raise:

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Am I missing something? I thought a huge amount of PDP's popularity was with young girls who like his good looks and kiddy humor. The whole thing with him is that he's transitioning to an older and shittier audience. Or am I totally misreading him? I'm not a fan, and the two videos of his I saw (I think they were FNAF related) were borderline unwatchable.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

rkajdi posted:

I'd put it at 50/50 after how well it's been working for PDP. Both have the same base audience (pre-teen girls) and it seems both wore out their welcome with their main content networks. Being alt-right seems to be the easiest way to make a cheap buck at the moment, so you're going to see lots of people jump onto it. But I doubt it'll stay long term (5+ years) because I think we're reaching the point where regular society is going to start curtailing the ability of internet randos to have the kind of influence they have. Either payment systems, video hosting sites, or just society at large is going to come down on this and the money will evaporate overnight.

Yes it sure will be a good thing to see the big corporatist movement to curb peoples free speech!

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Yes it sure will be a good thing to see the big corporatist movement to curb peoples free speech!

Free speech isn't being curtailed. You are using a business's site to host your videos, or another one to take in your payments. Both of these businesses can decide that they don't want to do business with people involved with harassment. It's no more a free speech violation than saying that some rando doesn't get to put an anti-immigrant sign up on my yard without permission.

Your free speech rights do not extend to forcing other people to echo your speech. Unless you somehow think cracking down on the alt right is a violation of civil rights, at which point you're basically arguing the the government should force other entities to carry bigotry if they don't want to. At that point we basically have anarchy anyway, since you are forcing open channels for people to start pushing advocacy of violence against protected minority groups.

EDIT: Do you consider what happened to Lauren Southern to be a free speech violation? Because that's the kind of thing I'm advocating.

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Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
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PewDiePie is old and boring now. It's all about these young ex-vine dudes with no shirts doing pranks, buying expensive cars and click baiting the gently caress out of everything. They feel so fake and manufactured like the boy bands of old, I assume some massive corporation is behind them all.

I know people were worried about young people watching pewdiepie but all my nephews friends watch and mimic these people https://www.team10official.com/ They get way more views than pewdiepie, they aint doing any alt right poo poo. Hell, they hang around with movie stars

that isn't to say they don't do dumb poo poo, just a different kind

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