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Minge Binge posted:the anti-nuclear hysteria post three mile and chernobyl reminds me of the tragedy of darth climateus the wise. Don't forget the oil embargo and the ban on burning natural gas in power plants that pushed us so heavily towards coal. Minge Binge posted:The thing about wind, hydro and solar is that its output depends on a predictable climate..... Well, have you heard of this little thing I like to call climate change? Climate and weather modeling is very good, especially for the next 30 years, which is the general lifetime for renewables. Nevada won't stop being sunny and the plains will keep being windy.
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Trabisnikof posted:Climate and weather modeling is very good, especially for the next 30 years, which is the general lifetime for renewables. Nevada won't stop being sunny and the plains will keep being windy. I sure hope so!
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Climate Change: The Circumcision of America's Penis
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enraged_camel posted:Not soon enough... You know it's not like those Floridians just sink into the sea one day. Most of them will see the change coming and move ahead of time. This tragedy just means more Floridians moving into non-Florida states. It's the worst possible outcome.
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davebo posted:You know it's not like those Floridians just sink into the sea one day. Most of them will see the change coming and move ahead of time. This tragedy just means more Floridians moving into non-Florida states. It's the worst possible outcome. There are enough in Michigan half the year that I've taken to describing climate change as "Summer Forever".
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The Groper posted:There are enough in Michigan half the year that I've taken to describing climate change as "Summer Forever". The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Climate Change: Now we can swim any day in November
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davebo posted:You know it's not like those Floridians just sink into the sea one day. Most of them will see the change coming and move ahead of time. This tragedy just means more Floridians moving into non-Florida states. It's the worst possible outcome. If I am remembering right Trump told the EPA, NASA and other agencies to stop using the words "climate change" or looking into it at all. He desperately wants to protect the real-estate market from reality.
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call to action posted:If Daytona Beach doesn't feel significant climate change effects before twenty-one-loving-hundred, I will posthumously eat my hat That chart means over 10% of the usable land area inundated at least 26 times a year. Edit: according to their specific report, Dayton Beach would be 19% inundated 26+ times a year by 2100 under the "high climate change" scenario. http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2017/07/rising-seas-data-by-year.xlsx Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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i'm no expert but it feels like a 10+% flooding event *once* a year for a few consecutive years would be enough to tank a local RE market
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davebo posted:You know it's not like those Floridians just sink into the sea one day. Most of them will see the change coming and move ahead of time. This tragedy just means more Floridians moving into non-Florida states. It's the worst possible outcome. That's myopically optimistic. The truth is that they won't move because the layman will see the change coming, but because one day the local economy will abruptly start failcascading, and even then you won't see mass migration until the first hard hurricane hits (with no economic interests left to foot the repair bill). So it's not just Floridians: it's homeless , jobless, hungry and disgruntled Floridians.
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Conspiratiorist posted:That's myopically optimistic. Yeah it's not like this is anything new. Look at what hurricane Katrina did in terms of human migration patterns.
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Accretionist posted:I'd be surprised if local county governments weren't already putting the screws to flood zones in ways they never have before. Unfortunately the local governments are run by real estate developers and others with a vested interest in pretending there actually isn't any flood risk at all or it's just no big deal. You gonna tell your voters their property is a liability? The sane response is to buy them out now and block further development, but nobody wants to recognize that.
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Increased insurance rates and decreased coverage, alongside infeasible permitting requirements for building and rebuilding, could be used to whither flood zone populations. It looks like there's already friction along those lines in Florida due to already-necessary rate and policy changes (mostly due to Katrina and Sandy's burden on the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP)). Article: Remember the flood insurance scare of 2013? It's creeping back into Tampa Bay and Florida From: Tampa Bay Times Date: 2015 August 5 quote:Three years ago, Tampa Bay was roiling over massive flood insurance rate hikes. Home sales in some neighborhoods literally stopped. Real estate agents warned the market could collapse. Lawmakers held town halls and rallied from Tallahassee to Washington for help. The article's long and detailed. In a nutshell, the key variables are flood-zone maps and flood-insurance rates and subsidies. There's also talk of increased prevalence and acceptance of private flood insurance and private flood maps. I wonder if we'll see a glut of cheap, useless, private policies and delusional zoning? It'd be amazing if the GOP manages to protect real estate bubbles by letting people be completely on their own when their house gets flooded, their community's devastated and they're not permitted to do any repairing or rebuilding unless they put their house on stilts. Edit: Squalid posted:Unfortunately the local governments are run by real estate developers and others with a vested interest in pretending there actually isn't any flood risk at all or it's just no big deal. You gonna tell your voters their property is a liability? The sane response is to buy them out now and block further development, but nobody wants to recognize that. Hopefully there's plenty of local government where the dominant industries don't care and the bureaucracy's less interested in what developers think than in avoiding financial implosion until well after they start collecting pensions. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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StabbinHobo posted:i'm no expert but it feels like a 10+% flooding event *once* a year for a few consecutive years would be enough to tank a local RE market Even less than this will probably do it. That chart is showing when areas become literally uninhabitable because they're flooding so often. I imagine most of those areas will be largely abandoned by everyone who can afford to get out long before that happens.
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StabbinHobo posted:i'm no expert but it feels like a 10+% flooding event *once* a year for a few consecutive years would be enough to tank a local RE market That's the status quo in parts of Florida already.
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Paradoxish posted:Even less than this will probably do it. That chart is showing when areas become literally uninhabitable because they're flooding so often. I imagine most of those areas will be largely abandoned by everyone who can afford to get out long before that happens. Yeah the report/map is based on an empirical derivation / definition of "uninhabitable" that soars wayyyy above most peoples' threshold for bailing out their living rooms and being unable to get to work.
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Under the High scenario by 2045 the following amounts of these communities will be underwater every other week on average: 27% of Atlantic City NJ 29% of Miami Beach FL 12% of Savannah GA 42% of New Orleans LA 25% of Galveston TX By 2100 you can add hundreds of more communities to biweekly flooding, including: 14% of Oakland CA 14% of New Haven CT 24% of Wilmington DE 54% of Miami FL 24% of Boston MA 36% of Jersey City NJ Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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dex_sda posted:Learn to swim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo (personally I prefer Cali to AZ but this is a classic)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40686984quote:Sea level warning as Greenland darkens Ice bugs! 
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It's funny how all the risk-minimizing, complex-system-misunderstanding that science has done to get us to this point could have all been avoided, if only we subscribed to the Gaia Principle and admitted that we pretty much know nothing about our the impact of human activity - thus working to minimize that impact wherever possible
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call to action posted:It's funny how all the risk-minimizing, complex-system-misunderstanding that science has done to get us to this point could have all been avoided, if only we subscribed to the Gaia Principle and admitted that we pretty much know nothing about our the impact of human activity - thus working to minimize that impact wherever possible I'm really sorry, and I want to apologize in case I'm misreading this, or missing sarcasm, but this might be a super super dumb post.
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Good news everyone! "Allowable 'carbon budget' most likely overestimated" by about 40%! https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170724114116.htm https://skepticalscience.com/paris-carbon-budget-40-percent.html "2017 is so unexpectedly warm it is freaking out climate scientists" https://skepticalscience.com/2017-SkS-Weekly-Digest_29.html https://thinkprogress.org/no-el-nino-still-hot-39162a5cc5bc Gotta keep up morale! We are hosed
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Trabisnikof posted:Also FYI it is an unscientific claim to state "most humans will be exstinct due to climate change by 2100." lol "most" Pretty sure the extinction of a species has a certain prerequisite vis-à-vis the proportion of its members being dead
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Trabisnikof posted:Also FYI it is an unscientific claim to state "most humans will be exstinct due to climate change by 2100." Most humans currently living will be dead by 2100, yes. I mean, assuming we don't figure out some sort of immortality treatment and make things even worse.
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Conspiratiorist posted:That's myopically optimistic. So maybe forget about the Mexico border wall and build one around Florida instead? We can call it the Florida-Georgia Line!
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Scientists dim sunlight, suck up carbon dioxide to cool planet Geo-engineering the dystopic norm for the future of business as usual.
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MyMomSaysImKeen posted:Scientists dim sunlight, suck up carbon dioxide to cool planet It's cool that they are actually sucking the CO2 out of the air with that. It is very sad to see that such a massive project is removing the equivalent of only 45 American's yearly footprint.
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MyMomSaysImKeen posted:Scientists dim sunlight, suck up carbon dioxide to cool planet What a steal! At $600 a ton, per the article, we'd only need to spend $22.9 trillion dollars a year to bring us to net zero carbon. Note though, we'd have to spend far more than that piddling amount to take out carbon we put in years ago.
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call to action posted:What a steal! At $600 a ton, per the article, we'd only need to spend $22.9 trillion dollars a year to bring us to net zero carbon. Note though, we'd have to spend far more than that piddling amount to take out carbon we put in years ago. So all it would take to solve this problem is like half the money in the entire world, a complete cessation of fossil fuel usage immediately, and a switch to renewable energy resources also effective immediately. I'm feeling good about this, guys.
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Burt Buckle posted:So all it would take to solve this problem is like half the money in the entire world, a complete cessation of fossil fuel usage immediately, and a switch to renewable energy resources also effective immediately. Hey, at least those are all things that exist. Half the money in the world is a finite, obtainable thing.
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Maybe we could try to have it reversed in 200 years instead of 500? You know, for the kids.
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