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Vinylshadow posted:The closer she is to dying, the better off she feels as a character, meaning The Husbands of River Song and the library two-parter are arguably her best outings
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Fil5000 posted:To be fair, even FOUR minutes is ages. For someone who can calculate thousands of thoughts per millisecond...yeah, I can see why the Doctor has a hard time settling down and retiring His ADHD dial is somewhere in the eighties at least
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Ephemeron posted:Her appearance in the Name of the Doctor was rather well done, too. That moment where the Doctor catches her hand as she goes to slap him!
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Jul 25, 2017 16:43
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Cleretic posted:Oh poo poo, I just realized why this happened. It was really up in the air how much they were going to be able to do for the 50th anniversary special, so they set up for what was essentially the 'last resort' option where they could only get Jenna and Matt, where they'd essentially use the conceit of fixing the Doctor's timestream for a high-concept clip show. Clearly, what happened is that the plan for Day of the Doctor only fell into place fairly late, to the point where they couldn't write their way out of their contingency plan. Ha ha, that would've sucked so hard. Lol if that's actually anywhere close to the reason why we had that weird mess at the end of that series.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:49
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Gaz-L posted:That moment where the Doctor catches her hand as she goes to slap him! River: Then why didn’t you speak to me? The Doctor: Because I thought it would hurt too much. River: I believe I could have coped. The Doctor: No. I thought it would hurt me. And I was right. {he kisses her} Since nobody else in this room can see you, God knows how that looked. There is a time to live and a time to sleep. You are an echo, River. Like Clara, like all of this. In the end, my fault, I know. But you should have faded by now. River: It’s hard to leave when you haven’t said goodbye. The Doctor: Then tell me, because I don’t know. How do I say it? River: There’s only one way I would accept. If you ever loved me, say it like you’re going to come back. The Doctor: Well then. See you around, Professor River Song. River: ‘Til the next time, Doctor. The Doctor: Don’t wait up.
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toanoradian posted:Because of that Clara is the only companion who've seen every Doctor and is also the most important companion. Heck off. The whole climax of the Impossible Girl plot is that "The Impossible Girl" is a Manic Pixie Dream Girl fantasy that the Doctor focuses on instead of treating Clara like the real person she is. She's only "important" because she makes sacrifices and aspires to Doctorishness in a way few past Companions have - but when female characters exhibit the same character traits as Matt Smith or Peter Capaldi's Doctors, they're "arrogant" or "reckless" or "shrill".
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Jul 25, 2017 17:20
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Stabbatical posted:Even in series 9, The Hybrid stuff was badly handled too. Clara's increasingly suicidal stunts (which I viewed as some kind of reckless grief/self-destruction in reaction to Danny having died and re-died horribly) was a really subtly done arc though. Ah did I say 9? I meant 10. That hybrid stuff was mince.
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Not so much because they are girls but because they aren't over 2000 years old, drat near indestructible, and can't see all of time and space. The way the doctor interacts with River, Missy, bad wolf rose and the tardis is very different to how he interacts with humans in general. The arc is there with Clara all through season 9, and aside from the concerned looks, he first directly addresses it quite early on with the there is only room for one doctor speech. He is aware that there is a problem and acknowledges that he let it go to far at the end, but if you think about it, Clara had a death wish and there is no guarantee that if he'd dropped her off on earth then she wouldn't have done something stupid and got herself killed by thrill seeking, so it was catch 22.
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learnincurve posted:Not so much because they are girls but because they aren't over 2000 years old, drat near indestructible, and can't see all of time and space. The way the doctor interacts with River, Missy, bad wolf rose and the tardis is very different to how he interacts with humans in general. Yeah there's another speech comes across worse than the writers probably intended it to. "Don't go around trying to make things better, that's for immortals. All you fragile's need to keep your heads down and leave the villains to your betters."
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Jul 25, 2017 18:10
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Jul 25, 2017 18:12
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DoctorWhat posted:Heck off. The whole climax of the Impossible Girl plot is that "The Impossible Girl" is a Manic Pixie Dream Girl fantasy that the Doctor focuses on instead of treating Clara like the real person she is. She's only "important" because she makes sacrifices and aspires to Doctorishness in a way few past Companions have - but when female characters exhibit the same character traits as Matt Smith or Peter Capaldi's Doctors, they're "arrogant" or "reckless" or "shrill". I agree that The Doctor projected a weird fantasy about her onto her the entire time and was very duplicitous with why he was interested in taking her into the TARDIS but plenty of companions have been self-sacraficing and aspired to be or became like The Doctor in some way. I mean, it was Rose's two (then four) series arc. Same for Martha and Amy. That's not unique to Clara. Part of the reason that story didn't intrest me too much was, well, why would I want to watch The Doctor be a creep? 11 was a weird alien who didn't get people or good taste but he was a like a big teenage boy in the way that arc was done. That may be why I enjoyed seeing Clara with 12 more. He let her be her own person, with no fantasy. It just ended up being a tragically unhealthy relationship for both of them. marktheando posted:Ah did I say 9? I meant 10. That hybrid stuff was mince. A mince of 70% fat and 30% bollock meat... like a Hybrid?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZDf9LcJbA Lovely, like all of their work
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Wait Was there a Dalek story this last season? Season 10? I don't think there was. I don't remember one
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Burkion posted:Wait There was a cameo of a Dalek (and some Movellans) in the Pilot
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I hope that's enough not to get poo poo from the Nation estate
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Burkion posted:I hope that's enough not to get poo poo from the Nation estate
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Burkion posted:I hope that's enough not to get poo poo from the Nation estate There wasn't a Dalek episode in season 6 either, just cameos in a few episodes.
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Bicyclops posted:There wasn't a Dalek episode in season 6 either, just cameos in a few episodes. They definitely had more presence there. I don't even remember their cameo in this one. The Stone Dalek was basically The Villain, as much as there could be one, in the finale of 6. EDIT: never mind I just remembered that was season 5. Huh.
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Yeah, I'm halfway through season 6 in my rewatch and haven't seen a Dalek yet, I don't think. I don't even remember where they show up, but I think it's in the finale, in the alternate "everything is together" timeline or w/e
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I think the Doctor interrogates the top half of a wrecked Dalek in either the penultimate season six episode or the finale.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the Doctor interrogates the top half of a wrecked Dalek in either the penultimate season six episode or the finale. Penultimate season 6 episode is "Closing Time", with stormageddon and the cybermen, the finale is "the wedding of river song", and I have no memory of seeing it, but according to a quick google "Series 6 is the first series of the 2005-present revival not to include Daleks, save for a cameo appearance by the Supreme Dalek in the finale. ". Has the bbc/nation estate "There must be a dalek every season" thing ever been confirmed or is it still just a rumor? In any case if it is a thing and they counted "Cameo in the finale" then they shouldnt have a problem with "speaking role in the first episode" of this season. If it is a thing I wish it wasnt, I feel like most Doctor Who villains suffer if they have too much repetition (See; Angels, Weeping and Silence, The), Daleks feel like more of a threat if they arent a thing he defeats once a year, every year.
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marktheando posted:Ah did I say 9? I meant 10. That hybrid stuff was mince. Ten had a good overarching plot because it was nothing more than a subplot. They resolved "who's in the vault" by episode 6, and the finale tied it up without taking over the whole thing.
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I've listened to the first two parts of "Only the Monstrous" and I like it so far. Nothing amazing, but John Hurt is killing it as expected. I wish I had more to say about it, but that's about all there is. It's fine and John Hurt rules. I do like the War Doctor version of the theme a lot.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the Doctor interrogates the top half of a wrecked Dalek in either the penultimate season six episode or the finale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdoYLJBLRw
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SiKboy posted:Has the bbc/nation estate "There must be a dalek every season" thing ever been confirmed or is it still just a rumor? In any case if it is a thing and they counted "Cameo in the finale" then they shouldnt have a problem with "speaking role in the first episode" of this season. If it is a thing I wish it wasnt, I feel like most Doctor Who villains suffer if they have too much repetition (See; Angels, Weeping and Silence, The), Daleks feel like more of a threat if they arent a thing he defeats once a year, every year. speeking of weeping angels, one thing I'm surprised Moffet did not do, along with being the one to address the Valeyard thing as long as he was playing with regenerations, was make a "genesis of the angels" episode before someone else did. maybe he'll still write one for chibnall.
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I always thought the rumoured Nation deal was "once per year". Hence why they used that clip from "The Pilot" to introduce Bill last year.
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I love that basically Bill's only exposure to Daleks is running away from them, and then watching them get jobbed to show how powerful the Pilot is.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:speeking of weeping angels, one thing I'm surprised Moffet did not do, along with being the one to address the Valeyard thing as long as he was playing with regenerations, was make a "genesis of the angels" episode before someone else did. The Angels' origin was hinted at way back in series 5: quote:What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if one day our dreams no longer needed us? When these things occur and are held to be true, the time will be upon us. The time of Angels.
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I've been rewatching Capaldi's run and it doesn't really surprise me they picked a female Doctor given the amount of softening up we've gotten the past few years. First the Master regens into Missy, then in Hell bent we see the General regent into a woman (and she quips about being a man like she had previously been a woman before), then this past season the Doctor mentions offhand that the Master had previously been a woman. This was set up for at least three years, so not a shock at all (though obviously they could gone either way).
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Slowpoke! posted:I've been rewatching Capaldi's run and it doesn't really surprise me they picked a female Doctor given the amount of softening up we've gotten the past few years. First the Master regens into Missy, then in Hell bent we see the General regent into a woman (and she quips about being a man like she had previously been a woman before), then this past season the Doctor mentions offhand that the Master had previously been a woman. This was set up for at least three years, so not a shock at all (though obviously they could gone either way). And don't forget the mention of the Corsair, back in 11's run.
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jivjov posted:And don't forget the mention of the Corsair, back in 11's run. Or, for that matter, The Curse of Fatal Death. Which sure, was a comedy sketch, but I remember Moffat in the making of feature saying he didn't see any reason it couldn't happen canonically too.
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docbeard posted:Or, for that matter, The Curse of Fatal Death. Which sure, was a comedy sketch, but I remember Moffat in the making of feature saying he didn't see any reason it couldn't happen canonically too. He seemed aware that there'd been behind the scenes discussions of doing it in the old show. Which makes him a bigger fan than Peter Capaldi, who doesn't seem to have known that and keeps insisting on Moffat getting all the credit for the idea
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Vinylshadow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZDf9LcJbA It wasn't until I watched this that I realised the end of Last Christmas calls back to Time Of The Doctor. I should have realised after he helped Clara with her cracker. As if that ending wasn't perfect already  E: love a bit of symmetry      
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2house2fly posted:The Angels' origin was hinted at way back in series 5: Aren't all monsters in a work of fiction ideas that came to life? 
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I'm listening to Rat Trap as it's one of the few 5/Tegan/Nyssa/Turlough audios I haven't yet got to. And five minutes in I remember why. This is pretty much a textbook example of "tell, don't show", complete with a scene where all the secondary characters literally say their full names, occupations and why they're there. And now another one is giving her entire backstory and career history unprompted. This is some sub Pip and Jane level poo poo.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:speeking of weeping angels, one thing I'm surprised Moffet did not do, along with being the one to address the Valeyard thing as long as he was playing with regenerations, was make a "genesis of the angels" episode before someone else did. maybe he couldn't think of an origin story that would contradict their other appearances enough
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Cerv posted:maybe he couldn't think of an origin story that would contradict their other appearances enough They were actually the voord all along.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Aren't all monsters in a work of fiction ideas that came to life? 
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