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I also think it depends on where you are in the company, you should never accept the promotion to associate manager from sales rep or whatever, but if they're talking about giving you a team and making you a director or whatever that's a different situation. Basically if you're a low level grunt be willing to jump ship even multiple times per month if you have to.
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Does anyone have experience with (or advice on) negotiating 100% remote work in your existing position? It's looking more and more likely that I will soon have to move from San Diego to Santa Cruz so my bf can finish college for the next 2 years. I currently work for a very large company and am happy in my job (currently on my third role) and at the company (been there about 3 years). My ideal situation would be to keep my current job and work remotely. The benefits are great and I've been happy with their evaluations of me and my promotions/bonuses. They think I am high potential and a high performer so moving to a new company and having to prove myself again is not something I want to do if I don't have to. I'm also hoping for a promotion to manager in a year or two and don't want to jeopardize that by moving companies. I plan to ask my manager if they would be willing to allow me to work remotely. The risk is that they say no and I am out a job. This wouldn't be the end of the world since I am confident I could find an equivalent job in a month or less -- while there aren't many companies or jobs in Santa Cruz, worst case scenario I could work in Silicon Valley / San Jose and commute as I've worked in tech and biotech and have 5-6 years of experience. Even if they did this, I highly doubt they would get rid of me immediately as they would want me to cross-train a replacement which would buy me some time to look for a new job. I do think they would say yes, but I'm not sure. I know normally it's not a good idea to put yourself in a situation where you could be out of a job without another one lined up, but I think I have a few things going for me: a) I started this job a few months ago and the previous manager and analyst have cross-trained me on everything and have now moved into new jobs at the same company. I know they would not want to have to re-train anyone to do this job again, especially before the busy season coming up. b) The VP thinks i'm doing an awesome job so far c) I work remotely 1 day a week on average with no issues d) I've worked for my current manager for the past couple years and we have a good working relationship already e) I have to travel to the bay area 4-5x a year for this job as it is (most of the team is in SF) and would be willing to travel to San Diego a few times a year if needed f) This would be temporary, only for the next couple years or so after which I would move back g) Another person on my team had to move and now works remotely most of the time but is not in as central of a job as I am. Additionally this person may have performance issues related to working remotely though I'm not sure. I know the VP wants this person to be in San Diego to work more closely with some of the teams here. But I've already worked with all of these teams in the past and know everybody. Plus, so much of what we do is via email/IM/conf call as it is and I already plan to work from home a few days a week anyways and have my manager's approval to do so. It's possible the VP could ask me to work out of the SF office but I'm not willing to do that any more than once a month since it is a really long commute. Any glaring issues with my plan or other suggestions? I'm not planning to have this conversation for another couple weeks but it will all depend on when I find out for sure if we have to move or not and I want to be prepared in case everything happens quickly.
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Quick sanity check: I'm looking for a new job. I just had what I think was a pretty positive interview with a company today that has absolutely baller benefits. I'm not here to ask about that. On my way home I got a phone call from a guy at a different company who did the usual, "What are you making now and what do you want to make?" thing. I told him I can't divulge my current salary and as for what I would earn, I would need to discuss the responsibilities of the position to get a better idea as to what value I would offer to the company. He insisted and said, "Well if we do extend an offer we will need a paystub to verify your current salary to proceed with giving you the offer." I said, "Have a nice day then." I am being underpaid at my current company and am trying to move my salary up to mid-range for my market value. Giving them my current salary sounds like a loving death sentence for negotiations with a new company like that. Thoughts?
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Jul 24, 2017 22:28
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I think the only play there is to act like it's okay without saying so directly, and then refusing to hand it over after you've gone through the interview process and they're invested in you. Still, it's a pretty unreasonable request and I would have done the same as you, whether or not I was underpaid.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:36
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If anyone asked to see a paystub from the old place to start a new job I would be unable to contain my laughter, what a stupid loving request. Would you also like the pap smear results from my ex? gently caress off.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:39
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I think the only play there is to act like it's okay without saying so directly, and then refusing to hand it over after you've gone through the interview process and they're invested in you. Still, it's a pretty unreasonable request and I would have done the same as you, whether or not I was underpaid.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:55
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As if to imply that your previous salary should have any bearing on your newly negotiated salary, which it really should not.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:57
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Pryor on Fire posted:If anyone asked to see a paystub from the old place to start a new job I would be unable to contain my laughter, what a stupid loving request. Would you also like the pap smear results from my ex? gently caress off. I've seen it asked in commission sales jobs.
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Jul 24, 2017 23:04
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Hoodwinker posted:He said the whole reason they do it is because, quote, "We got burned by a guy who we went through the whole interview process with and then quoted a ridiculously high number, wasting our time." That part rubbed me the wrong way because that's not the kind of attitude I loving want from a company that's trying to sell me on them.
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Jul 24, 2017 23:09
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh man I would have turned that one around and asked what the "ridiculously high" number was. You can mirror whatever weasel-words they use to avoid saying it to avoid saying yours. It wasn't worth it. I've already got high confidence that the company I actually want to work for will extend me an offer, and I've got high confidence I can negotiate it up to a reasonable level if it's not to start with. I already know the other company that called does not have a great work environment. I was just entertaining the conversation. I'll remember your idea for later amusement though, if I need it.
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Jul 25, 2017 00:20
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Hoodwinker posted:He said the whole reason they do it is because, quote, "We got burned by a guy who we went through the whole interview process with and then quoted a ridiculously high number, wasting our time." That part rubbed me the wrong way because that's not the kind of attitude I loving want from a company that's trying to sell me on them. "Oh. Can I see your company's books, then? I've gotten burned by companies who've gone through the whole interview process with me and then quoted me a ridiculously low number, wasting my time."
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Jul 25, 2017 09:34
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Hoodwinker posted:Quick sanity check: gently caress that clown and gently caress that company. Literally the only argument for not shutting them down right then is that you could have wasted more of their time before you refused them, but your time is more valuable than to be spent wasting others' out of spite.
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Jul 25, 2017 14:43
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:gently caress that clown and gently caress that company.
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Jul 25, 2017 14:56
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Some regions in the US are making it illegal to ask for a salary history. I think NYC is the only one that has actually banned it so far. If you want, it seems like a good opportunity to practice true assertiveness. Don't give weasel answers, just say "No. This is not information I will share."
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Jul 25, 2017 15:42
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I'll share my salary if they me what everyone who works there makes.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:55
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Hoodwinker posted:He insisted and said, "Well if we do extend an offer we will need a paystub to verify your current salary to proceed with giving you the offer." I said, "Have a nice day then." And if he's okay with that? I say, why not? Our pushback against such practices is because companies use the info for leverage in negotiations. If the negotiations are done and dusted, I don't see the point of fighting some HR hermit on their antiquated hiring policy. But I'm guessing he's not actually okay with the above scenario and would want your payslip right now. In which case they can go screw themselves.
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Goons, gently caress that guy, because the company I had that interview with yesterday just extended me an offer. I asked the lady to repeat it twice just in case I didn't hear it properly, but I believe my salary just went from $73,700 to $100,000. Thanks, thread. Edit: Got the offer letter. gently caress yes. Hoodwinker fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 16:20
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Nicely done, that's a hell of a bump!
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Namarrgon posted:Some regions in the US are making it illegal to ask for a salary history. I think NYC is the only one that has actually banned it so far. State of Massachusetts is on that poo poo.
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Jul 25, 2017 17:49
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Hoodwinker posted:Goons, gently caress that guy, because the company I had that interview with yesterday just extended me an offer. I asked the lady to repeat it twice just in case I didn't hear it properly, but I believe my salary just went from $73,700 to $100,000. Thanks, thread. Big congrats to you!
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Jul 25, 2017 18:29
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Hoodwinker posted:Goons, gently caress that guy, because the company I had that interview with yesterday just extended me an offer. I asked the lady to repeat it twice just in case I didn't hear it properly, but I believe my salary just went from $73,700 to $100,000. Thanks, thread.  I love posts like these 
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Hoodwinker posted:Goons, gently caress that guy, because the company I had that interview with yesterday just extended me an offer. I asked the lady to repeat it twice just in case I didn't hear it properly, but I believe my salary just went from $73,700 to $100,000. Thanks, thread.
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dead lettuce posted:Does anyone have experience with (or advice on) negotiating 100% remote work in your existing position?
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So I got a job offer for a position that I really want, but their starting salary is quite low, just barely hitting the average for my city and just barely over the national average for my position, from looking at glassdoor.com. I've been told by my interviewers(none of the HR staff) that with my qualifications I should be able to negotiate a higher salary. I've drawn up the points in my response to the official job offer from the hiring manager as to why I believe I deserve a higher starting salary. My question is... what exactly do I ask next? Currently my question for the hiring manager is "Is XX.XX/hour the top of the salary range for the position?" Is that a good question to ask? I feel like it's kind of giving them the option to say "YUP THAT IS THE HIGHEST" but I also don't know if I should specifically ask for a higher salary at this point. They gave a hard number to start, is it my turn to add like 20% on to it right now? Edit: I also need a response in by tomorrow 
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Jul 25, 2017 19:57
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Hoodwinker posted:Just want to take this opportunity with my good fortune to quote this poor goon who got bowled over by my first post. Apologies, gentle goon. You deserve the support of this thread as well. You are too nice!! Congratulations on a $30k bump, that is huge and definitely one of the best outcomes I've seen after following this thread a while. I also assume this means my plan is rock solid 
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Johnny Truant posted:So I got a job offer for a position that I really want, but their starting salary is quite low, just barely hitting the average for my city and just barely over the national average for my position, from looking at glassdoor.com. I've been told by my interviewers(none of the HR staff) that with my qualifications I should be able to negotiate a higher salary. I've drawn up the points in my response to the official job offer from the hiring manager as to why I believe I deserve a higher starting salary.
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Johnny Truant posted:So I got a job offer for a position that I really want, but their starting salary is quite low, just barely hitting the average for my city and just barely over the national average for my position, from looking at glassdoor.com. I've been told by my interviewers(none of the HR staff) that with my qualifications I should be able to negotiate a higher salary. I've drawn up the points in my response to the official job offer from the hiring manager as to why I believe I deserve a higher starting salary. Hi re-read the thread title. Do not talk about ranges Do not ask. Talk about your price. Tell them what your price is. Be confident and assertive.
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I want to tell you guys my tale of horror which is currently unfolding. The VP of a company reached out to me about a job opportunity, which I interviewed for, twice. I got an offer. But the offer was low on specifics. It told the annual salary but didn't give much in the way of other benefits at all. I reached out with a list of questions like "what's your 401k", etc. Still, I felt that I had an offer so it was ok to give my two weeks notice to my current employer. Alarms should be ringing in your head now. My current employer is working hard to replace my position and I haven't heard back from the new employer. I've called, texted, emailed. I have left time in between each call and email so it didn't look desperate but the fact is, at this point I am. I'm going to have to beg to get back my old job if this guy doesn't get back to me. I cannot stand employers "ghosting" you. It is so unbelievably rude. But also I made a terrible decision and it may or may not come back to gently caress me.
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Nothing is ever real until you have it explicitly in writing and signed*. I feel so bad for you. Beg your old/current job back asap. *I've already verbally and via email accepted a job but I'm not going to quit my current one (or even hint at it) until I sign something.
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Im Ready for DEATH posted:I want to tell you guys my tale of horror which is currently unfolding. The VP of a company reached out to me about a job opportunity, which I interviewed for, twice. I got an offer. But the offer was low on specifics. It told the annual salary but didn't give much in the way of other benefits at all. I reached out with a list of questions like "what's your 401k", etc. Still, I felt that I had an offer so it was ok to give my two weeks notice to my current employer. Alarms should be ringing in your head now. My current employer is working hard to replace my position and I haven't heard back from the new employer. I've called, texted, emailed. I have left time in between each call and email so it didn't look desperate but the fact is, at this point I am. I'm going to have to beg to get back my old job if this guy doesn't get back to me. I cannot stand employers "ghosting" you. It is so unbelievably rude. But also I made a terrible decision and it may or may not come back to gently caress me. How definitive was the offer? They might have found another candidate more willing to accept. My policy has always been to not consider an offer anything more than hot air until the contract is signed.
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I had a phone screener with a large company that I want to work for in a similar role. I've been in this role for about 2 years. The current compensation question came up and I deflected it as suggested. She was fine with that. I'd never done that before, I always volunteered it right away like a dummy, so thanks thread for the confidence! I really don't want to give out my current info because, based on glassdoor and a friend that works there, the total compensation (stock & bonus) is about 50k more than I make now. Plus a pension which I don't already have.
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What do you guys do when you are applying online and it asks for a current salary? I recently ran into a job application that had a pull down menu where you had to select one, ex: 0-9k, 80-90k. I thought of putting in 0-9k but I'm worried that it will cause the application to be automatically sorted in the do not read pile.
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Put it at double your current salary and say you misread if questioned about it? I dunno, I'd probably have done 0-9k but that's pretty obnoxious.
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Either highest or lowest with the caveat that if you really want the job you may want to change to selecting the highest reasonable range for the position.
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SEKCobra posted:How definitive was the offer? They might have found another candidate more willing to accept. My policy has always been to not consider an offer anything more than hot air until the contract is signed. Turns out I spooked them by asking for more than 2 weeks vacation. Silly American me, wanting more than 2 weeks to spend with my family. I was able to let them know that I was just feeling the waters and they approved the offer now. But poo poo I was sweating bullets for a bit.
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Jul 27, 2017 23:47
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I hope you have already started looking for a new job to get away from this new job.
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I've been talking to two different companies about positions they are trying to fill, and in both cases I was able to deflect naming a number of first. In both cases the HR/"talent acquisition" rep said "well, our budget for the position is $X". Generally speaking, how reliable is that specific language about budgets? Because both "position budgets" are way above what I make now and I wouldn't even push hard to negotiate on the number if offered in either case. I just don't want to psych myself up and have them say "syke, actually it's way less"
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C-Euro posted:I've been talking to two different companies about positions they are trying to fill, and in both cases I was able to deflect naming a number of first. In both cases the HR/"talent acquisition" rep said "well, our budget for the position is $X". Generally speaking, how reliable is that specific language about budgets? Because both "position budgets" are way above what I make now and I wouldn't even push hard to negotiate on the number if offered in either case. I just don't want to psych myself up and have them say "syke, actually it's way less" In my experience (software) it's reliable as an indicator of where the manager will start to negotiate hard. In some companies, it's the number where the manager will start having to go to HR to approve pay grade exceptions.
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Negotiated my salary up about $7,000 dollars, thanks for all the advice, thread! 
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I just wanted to pop in and thank you guys too. Today's my first official day as an Application Development Manager with my former client. They came back with the full 40% bump, and they worked everything out with my former employer. I followed the thread's advice and just told them what was up with no chance for a counter. Honestly now that it's done, even besides the money I feel like a change has been overdue. I've been pretty complacent the last few years. You guys were right about the lawyer too. I have some Extremely Legal severance paperwork that I technically have 18 days to sign and send back, and I'm going to bring it to an employment lawyer to make sure I understand all the terms. I feel like I jumped into signing the original non-compete before I understood everything.
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