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qhat posted:I never knew what rainy season actually was until I moved to Vancouver. And that's coming from a Londoner. london was really nice. when we were visiting we were like "this would be a great place to live if the dev salaries weren't such poo poo".
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cis autodrag posted:the amount of time i can endure the bay area is entirely contingent upon whether the drought continues or i get to see rain. this constant, weirdly intense sun is depressing me. give me gray skies and raindrops on the window. alright let me fill you in here. the acute drought mostly ended this past winter. i mean it's not like we're totally cool all good on water forever, but there was a big period of rainfall and you just missed it by a few months. everything has been substantially more green and lush this year than in a few years past. it doesn't rain a lot in the silly con valley, we're in the rain shadow of the santa cruz mountains. and even so, the clouds and rain are basically confined to the winter months. it is currently the height of summer, so yes you are going to get intense sun. welcome to california  try going to the forest, or the beach, or basically anywhere but a south bay suburbif you insist on gray skies you can try sf but it won't be raindrops, it'll be fog
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qhat posted:They were serious in the sense that they asked me it several times in different roundabout ways. My guess at the time was they recently hired someone who left after a short time and this time they wanted to make sure that wouldn't happen again, no matter how futile that actually is.
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curufinor posted:if you want this oneupmanship game, I once saw 50 cm of rain come down in 20 minutes in korea no you didn't. i mean sure your bus maybe flooded but you didn't see 50cm of rain in 20 minutes
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Jul 25, 2017 07:41
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fart simpson posted:no you didn't. i mean sure your bus maybe flooded but you didn't see 50cm of rain in 20 minutes maybe he was in a dip
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cis autodrag posted:london was really nice. when we were visiting we were like "this would be a great place to live if the dev salaries weren't such poo poo". Yeah. The rent is completely insane there too. Just moving to the other side of the atlantic to Canada of all places instantly got me a much higher disposable income.
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Jul 25, 2017 10:04
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The only real upside of England is that the weather is never consistently too hot or too cold, and there's still plenty of brighter spells in the winter (although still hovering around 0C ofc).
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Jul 25, 2017 10:08
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are Canadian visas difficult to get for European computer touchers?
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Maximum Leader posted:are Canadian visas difficult to get for European computer touchers? You can get PR easily with nothing more than a Master's degree and a few years foreign work experience in computer touching. You can also get a working holiday visa for 1-2 years depending on what country you're from. Honestly the biggest challenge is finding a job in Canada when you're not a web "developer". They don't produce important things here.
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Jul 25, 2017 10:19
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from what I've seen a job that would pay 100k usd here in 'merica will pay 70k cad which is equivalent to 55k usd and that's in a big city like vancouver or toronto where the cost of living is super high
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qhat posted:I never knew what rainy season actually was until I moved to Vancouver. And that's coming from a Londoner. yeah I spent a year in Portland and now appreciate what a rain season is.
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qirex posted:from what I've seen a job that would pay 100k usd here in 'merica will pay 70k cad which is equivalent to 55k usd and that's in a big city like vancouver or toronto where the cost of living is super high
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Jul 25, 2017 16:22
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britain has been really good at making sure filthy computer touchers stay in their place, I looked into it briefly and even senior developers over there are on like 50,000 gbp
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Jul 25, 2017 16:26
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qirex posted:britain has been really good at making sure filthy commoners stay in their place
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i cant name a single british computer tech company with a gun to my head
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:i cant name a single british computer tech company with a gun to my head lmao yeah i can only think of defunct ones like acorn
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:i cant name a single british computer tech company with a gun to my head Does ARM count?
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Tigren posted:Does ARM count? It uh really ought to. They have the good sense not to be headquartered in London though. Otherwise it's going to depend on your particular industry. Sophos is reasonably well known in enterprise security/antivirus for example, Imagination are the guys who (currently) own MIPS and used to make Apple's mobile GPUs, etc, etc. Plenty of reasonably large/well-known companies here, just (except ARM) no-one as well known as Apple or Microsoft. Which considering the relative sizes of the UK and the US isn't too surprising.
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feedmegin posted:Which considering the relative sizes of the UK and the US isn't too surprising. the u.k. used to be a major center for computing, up there with the east coast and silly con valley. english electric / icl, amstrad, sinclair, etc were all headquartered in the uk. as with everything else in british industry, it all dried up and blew away in the 1980s
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:i cant name a single british computer tech company with a gun to my head banks and financial firms hire a lot of computer touchers
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:banks and financial firms hire a lot of computer touchers a few years ago I had a recruiter reach out to me for a design position at a bank in london and they seriously offered 38000 gbp as a "competitive salary"
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You can get around 60-70k GBP for being a senior dev in the UK, around 50k for being an intermediate. In Vancouver, a senior dev will get between 95k-120k CAD or more which is about the same as London, but the key thing is the cost of living is far lower than London. Still a far cry from the six figure USD you get in Cali, but it's much harder to get a visa to the USA.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the u.k. used to be a major center for computing, up there with the east coast and silly con valley. english electric / icl, amstrad, sinclair, etc were all headquartered in the uk. no it wasn't. they just thought they were because they didn't fully understand how badly America was already beating them
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the u.k. used to be a major center for computing, up there with the east coast and silly con valley. english electric / icl, amstrad, sinclair, etc were all headquartered in the uk. never heard of any of these things
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Amstrad and Sinclair made some popular consoles in the 80s (Amstrad CPC and ZX Spectrum)
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no they didn't.
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Shaggar posted:no they didn't. I guess the commodore 64 was far more dominant in the USA where it really matters.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the u.k. used to be a major center for computing, up there with the east coast and silly con valley. english electric / icl, amstrad, sinclair, etc were all headquartered in the uk. ...unless it involved making or selling weapons, especially to horrible people.
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qhat posted:You can get around 60-70k GBP for being a senior dev in the UK, around 50k for being an intermediate. In Vancouver, a senior dev will get between 95k-120k CAD or more which is about the same as London, but the key thing is the cost of living is far lower than London. Still a far cry from the six figure USD you get in Cali, but it's much harder to get a visa to the USA. I got the equivalent of 6k gbp/mo in my internship in school lol It was for a drat rare skill but lol
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the european computer companies were instrumental in showing the american companies that the best ways to make money were to either avoid selling to consumers [ibm/microsoft] or sell luxury computers [apple]
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:banks and financial firms hire a lot of computer touchers a lot of those might end up moving thanks to brexit since the whole reason why many of them are in the uk is to have a physical presence in europe and being able to access the entirety of the eu labor pool The_Franz fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 19:04
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UK was home to more than one non-tiny game studio, e.g. Bullfrog, Lionhead, Rare, 22Cans  , Core, Ocean, Eidos, etc.
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you wouldn't drag me to work into Trump's US for 300k a year
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I would happily let myself get dragged for much less than that
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qirex posted:britain has been really good at making sure filthy computer touchers stay in their place, I looked into it briefly and even senior developers over there are on like 50,000 gbp lol no
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cis autodrag posted:the amount of time i can endure the bay area is entirely contingent upon whether the drought continues or i get to see rain. this constant, weirdly intense sun is depressing me. give me gray skies and raindrops on the window. this is a normal summer in a mediterranean climate. it's actually a bit wetter than usual; it took until mid-june to stop raining when usually it's done by mid-april. IIRC the bay area got something like 50% more rain this winter than usual, leading to e.g. a lot of road damage from landslides that's still being fixed  bay area climate is driven by the ability for cold and/or moist air to come off the ocean. if you've got hills blocking that air then it's going to be warmer, and the further inland you go the less effect there is  to give an example of this effect, here's a gearth screenshot looking east into the peninsula from the ocean, looking at the santa cruz mountains along the last leg of hwy 84. the south bay is beyond the hill ridge at the back. a relatively contiguous valley goes from san gregorio via bellvale to la honda, providing a channel for ocean air to reach that area. as a result la honda can be as much as 10-15 degrees cooler than the surrounding area, despite it being around 9 miles from the coast (i.e. further than SF is wide)  if you want cold/damp then check out sf, daly city, or most of the coast. it's typically most cloudy/foggy in the mornings and just before sunset (illustations are from EBMUD's own gardening book "plants and landscapes for summer-dry climates", which catalogs plants that are fine with not getting any rain half the year) Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Janitor Prime posted:never heard of any of these things exactly the problem. they went from world leaders to non-existent overnight, and now no one realizes the industry ever existed english electric / icl was the #2 mainframe company behind ibm at one point. they were also the makers of the first "workstation" as we came to know it, the icl perq. amstrad and sinclair were makers of wildly popular "home computers" and horrendous, no-good home electronics Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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remember that euro salaries are post-tax numbers, so if you see something like €4k a month that's your actual take home pay. unlike us salaries where the tax man takes his cut of that big number and your $100k salary only ends up being $50k-$60k in your pocket
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The_Franz posted:remember that euro salaries are post-tax numbers, so if you see something like €4k a month that's your actual take home pay. unlike us salaries where the tax man takes his cut of that big number and your $100k salary only ends up being $50k-$60k in your pocket that may be true for the eu but i am pretty sure it's not the case in the uk as i understand it advertised salaries are almost always pre-tax, just like they are in the us
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Even 6.5 figgies before tax is quite acceptable.
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