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Peven Stan posted:The left used to shoot fascists and reactionaries like McCain. I think you mean the ideal of the bourgeois liberal reformer They also used to shoot a lot of innocent people who they thought were reactionaries. Once you start shooting and stop thinking, it becomes pretty difficult to tell the true reactionaries apart from random dude who doesn't agree with you.
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LinYutang posted:If he was convinced to show up they probably have the votes. Godspeed America! the defense bill that's going up for a vote this week was probably a bigger reason he showed up than this and i doubt mitch knows what votes he has right now, let alone back when mccain agreed to come
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I wasn't completely on board with all the grave dancing, but now I can say with a clear conscience that I hope this vote gives him a loving embolism.
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Jul 25, 2017 15:39
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I wasn't completely on board with all the grave dancing, but now I can say with a clear conscience that I hope this vote gives him a loving embolism. Don't worry. Glioblastomas are one of the worst kinds of cancer you could have. They are extremely aggressive, and frequently recur even after surgery and chemo. Not only that, but the prognosis is terrible. In most cases, by the time the tumor is identified the patient has only two or three years to live. And finally, glioblastomas completely consume the ability of those they afflict to think rationally or to remember basic facts. With any luck in a year he will be unable to go anywhere without a nurse and an aide or two, and even then he won't be able to make any decisions for himself. BlueberryCanary fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 15:51
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Not necessarily. He's not going to drag himself off his sickbed to be outvoted. He's doing it because he is literally the deciding vote.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:14
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I still can't get over a man dying of brain cancer stripping away healthcare from millions of people.
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BarbarianElephant posted:He's not going to drag himself off his sickbed to be outvoted. He's doing it because he is literally the deciding vote. he dragged himself off his sickbed to get more money for the military, which is also a thing being worked on right this second i dont think he cares that much about the mtp on healthcare
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Hollismason posted:I still can't get over a man dying of brain cancer stripping away healthcare from millions of people. "If I'm going to die... I'm going to take as many of the fuckers with me as I can!"
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Jul 25, 2017 16:30
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Paul is a yes on the MTP so they almost certainly have it. The question is what they pass, if anything. A skinny repeal is the big thing being floated now, that pretty much just kills the individual and employer mandates and the device tax. I can't see how that's doable with 50 votes, and they're using the 60-vote threshold as an excuse to not do the full Cruz-amended BCRA so they're not exactly planning to run roughshod over the parliamentarian, so who knows? It seems like the plan is "kick something, anything over to the conference committee and fix it there" but the pressure on House to just pass the Senate's bill will be huge. Upside is that this leaves Medicaid untouched. Downside is that it will absolutely death spiral the market.
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Jul 25, 2017 16:56
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The rumor mill I'm hearing says that Portman has disconnected his offices' phones. That does not bode well.
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the only way MTP fails is if Collins, Murkowski and Capito are the noes. Of course, there's 0 chance Paul votes for the final product, so I think the MTP is no guarantee of final passage, but it's a huge step in the wrong direction
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the only way MTP fails is if Collins, Murkowski and Capito are the noes. Of course, there's 0 chance Paul votes for the final product, so I think the MTP is no guarantee of final passage, but it's a huge step in the wrong direction Heller could easily be a no, but is busy trying to vanish entirely and may just lock himself in a broom closet to miss the vote.
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Hollismason posted:I still can't get over a man dying of brain cancer stripping away healthcare from millions of people. Boomers gotta Jack Ruby literally everyone younger than they are
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BlueberryCanary posted:Don't worry. Glioblastomas are one of the worst kinds of cancer you could have. They are extremely aggressive, and frequently recur even after surgery and chemo. Not only that, but the prognosis is terrible. In most cases, by the time the tumor is identified the patient has only two or three years to live. And finally, glioblastomas completely consume the ability of those they afflict to think rationally or to remember basic facts. And he'll still be coming to Congress to vote. I mean, look at Strom Thurmond -- he was 93 and completely unaware of anything going on around him and he was still wheeling into Congress to vote the way his Republican buddies told him to.
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Even their new plan seems to be to run roughshod over the rules. Their new plan seems to be to pass just any bill and then go to conference with the House. Then the conference can come up with a full bill that both sides pass. The problem with this is that the Senate currently has a rule to prevent new matter from being inserted in conference reports. Any bill that comes out of conference has to be made entirely out of provisions in the original House or Senate bill. If anything else has been added, any Senator can make a point of order that material has been added. The Senate can waive the point of order but only by getting 60 votes to disregard. McConnell is going to try to pretend that it doesn't matter what they pass, but it matters in a very serious way unless they're prepared to pull out the Nuclear Option.
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Selachian posted:And he'll still be coming to Congress to vote. I mean, look at Strom Thurmond -- he was 93 and completely unaware of anything going on around him and he was still wheeling into Congress to vote the way his Republican buddies told him to. McCain should really resign after this. He's probably compos mentis enough that he's voting to repeal the ACA due to his own evil political views, but in 6 months he'll be essentially senile and incapable of making meaningful decisions.
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How fast can they get a new person in? I assume if McCain resigns and names a successor Arizona's Republican governor would appoint that person, could they start the next day or are there formalities that delay things?
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Jul 25, 2017 19:25
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BarbarianElephant posted:McCain should really resign after this. He's probably compos mentis enough that he's voting to repeal the ACA due to his own evil political views, but in 6 months he'll be essentially senile and incapable of making meaningful decisions. Agreed. At this point we basically have to hope the effects are obvious enough that he can't pretend to be fine.
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How much time do we have?
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Spiritus Nox posted:How much time do we have? 20 hours of debate, which will likely be spread over the rest of the week. I do not know when they start voting on amendments.
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Jul 25, 2017 20:27
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lol @ democrats giving this man a standing ovation right before he votes yes. politicians deserve the brain death they are given, what a shitbag.
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i hope mccain drops dead
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El Rooster Diablo posted:Agreed. At this point we basically have to hope the effects are obvious enough that he can't pretend to be fine. It won't make anything "better" for Democrats, though, because he's in a deep red state with a Republican governor appointing his replacement, and his successor is likely to be even more right wing than he is, the way the party is going. But he should still retire. His diagnosis is not consistent with being able to make decisions well, even if the treatment works he's going to have a chunk of his brain removed.
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BarbarianElephant posted:It won't make anything "better" for Democrats, though, because he's in a deep red state with a Republican governor appointing his replacement, and his successor is likely to be even more right wing than he is, the way the party is going. But he should still retire. His diagnosis is not consistent with being able to make decisions well, even if the treatment works he's going to have a chunk of his brain removed. That's very prejudiced of you against the differently abled.
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I hope McCain refuses to stand down while he's rendered a drooling, barely conscious Vegeta and his good good healthcare keeps him alive for a long, long time.
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Jul 25, 2017 20:47
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So what the gently caress happens now?
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Qu Appelle posted:So what the gently caress happens now? Either the Republicans in the senate tear each other apart over what will be in the bill and nothing is ultimately passed, or people die. Don't count on the former.
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:I hope McCain refuses to stand down while he's rendered a drooling, barely conscious Vegeta and his good good healthcare keeps him alive for a long, long time. I think your autocorrect just revealed something about you.
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https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/889602204826562564
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DLC Inc posted:lol @ democrats giving this man a standing ovation right before he votes yes. politicians deserve the brain death they are given, what a shitbag. Exactly. Neo liberalism centrism at its finest.
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evilweasel posted:20 hours of debate, which will likely be spread over the rest of the week. I do not know when they start voting on amendments. Now, or more accurately they're debating over the first amendment right now and will be voting as soon as that debate is finished which iirc should be within the hour. Edit// Or next couple of hours, god drat the Senate always moves slower than I remember. farraday fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40719743 At least there's some good news about healthcare today
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You know, we may be forcing the deaths of countless lives but man we're at least going out with fire-emoji level headlines.
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Azhais posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40719743 LOL the headlines for that study keep getting better. Medical reporting is so phoned in it's not even funny.
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Brock ready to do his part to bail the UFC out of this string of PPV duds http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723782-brock-lesnar-says-anytime-anywhere-regarding-possible-jon-jones-superfight Edit: whoops wrong forum! well Brock would need the access to healthcare McCain voted to start dismantling if he were not already a millionaire. threeagainstfour fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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threeagainstfour posted:Brock ready to do his part to bail the UFC out of this string of PPV duds hell yeah, i love to see brock tackle a motherfucker and hit him with his tiny hammer blows wait is this d&d or rowdy ringsports. i can't even tell where i post anymore.
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threeagainstfour posted:Brock ready to do his part to bail the UFC out of this string of PPV duds Wrong subforum, homie.
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Forceholy posted:Wrong subforum, homie. i mean, it's about a man with brain problems that's ten years past his prime so uh
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