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Jul 25, 2017 23:00
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Proposing the Panamanian Control Act, mandating that we colonize or conquer the lands that once fell under our control at the southern end of America, before the French set our settlements ablaze. America is our continent, especially that region.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:04
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Proposing the It Was Just Laying Around Act: Conquer the colonies that have rebelled from Morocco.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:07
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 Proposing The SEAconquista. Vassalize Sardinia by force, butter them up a little with diplomacy, marriage, maybe a little dosh, then force convert them once they like us more. The Mediterranean will belong to Muslim powers only, as will it's trade.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:07
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Also, another idea group was just unlocked, but I held off on actually picking one because I figured it wouldn't be so clear-cut as "largest faction wins all" with an absolutist sultan. Here's our current ideas: And this is what's available:  Religious ideas is off the table, for obvious reasons. hashashash fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 23:14
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Merchants ought to fold trade ideas into their proposal no matter what else we decide. E: a loyalist/ulema coalition getting more conversions would be in character for the zealous sultan.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:22
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paragon1 posted:
If the parliamentarian will allow I propose we extend this to include current Moroccan colonies and exclude colonies that might lead us into a war with the Celts.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:25
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Proposing the Bazaar of the Bizarre act: Build trade depots and/or marketplaces in the provinces with our most valuable trade goods.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:27
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/ Proposing a Coalition motion: Death to All Infidels. *Convert everyone not currently a true Sunni to the faith of our beloved Sultan, to suppress revolts. *Pounce on one of our rivals when they are isolated and weak, and when we have the manpower and resources to do so. In specific: -If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war. -The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible. -Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus. -Moroccan intervention takes priority over French. Additional submissions will be considered, and added in if need be. What one cannot achieve, the many can. AJ_Impy fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 23:34
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AJ_Impy posted:
If Morocco isn't on the table here, there's nothing to discuss. Islam at home, empire abroad.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:39
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I, Dansar Rabb al'Ustul, propose the Continued Made in al Andalus act. Manufactories and workshops are to be built in all provinces in the Sevilla trade node. Other buildings, except for fortifications, may be destroyed to make place.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:45
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:If Morocco isn't on the table here, there's nothing to discuss. Islam at home, empire abroad. Morocco is one of our Rivals unless I misremember, so they should be on the table as we want them to be. EDIT: In all my haste I forgot to vote... AJ_Impy posted:
This looks like an intriguing proposal, and while I personally do think acknowledging them is more appropriate than force-converting them I also see the need of compromise if we want to get our stuff through.
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Jul 25, 2017 23:54
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Proposing another extension of the Made in Al-Andalus Act Production is king, and we've still got time to game the institution spawn. I'd rather see the merchants using their policy slots on ideas or more colonies (Asia/Africa are looking woefully under-exploited), let us Loyalists look after the home front. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 00:06
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Crazycryodude posted:
Second!
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Jul 26, 2017 00:12
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Proposing the Madressa Expansion Act:
Let's focus on the traditions of learning and knowledge embedded in our faith. Let the Sultan and the Loyalists spread Islam by the sword, we of the Ulema shall spread it by the book...
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Jul 26, 2017 00:57
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The Taifas duty is, first and foremost, to the military, and certainly NOT to any projects by mad imams seeking to attack our Dhimmi. Such proposals offer nothing for us and quite the opposite actually run counter to our security goals. Professional Practice Logistics Act The Sultan is obligated to ensure that: 1. Our fortresses along the Pyrenees are reinforced as heavily as possible. 2. That constructions and decisions to increase and maintain our manpower continue. 3. And that our defense alliances be kept intact.
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Jul 26, 2017 01:16
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Is that the best the Taifas can do? If the Ulema wants to make our subjects feel a little more Andalusian, why not let them? We need Tangiers more than we need Christian rebels! Edit-Endorsement withdrawn, for now. Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 01:30
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I propose the Absolute Freedom Act removing all historic limits on our Sultan's powers to govern as he wished. Practically, this act will serve as legislative cover for any of the Sultan's future actions that might conflict with previously established norms (such as the older traditions of tolerance for Christians) or outdated taboos against our sovereign's efforts for the centralization of power (any de facto restrictions on the monarch from supposedly "infringing" on the "rights" of our bloated aristocracy or of the spoiled children living in our freewheeling colonies). I am NOT proposing to negate any currently pending policy proposals that will be passed during this session. I only want to make it more narratively plausible for the Sultan to chart his own path away free of the shackles of history.
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Jul 26, 2017 01:35
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Is that the best the Taifas can do? If the Ulema wants to make our subjects feel a little more Andalusian, why not let them? We need Tangiers more than we need Christian rebels! We do need Tangiers, and letting our army waste away while we help the Ulema cause trouble is how we will fail to get it when we take back power. Steady, careful military maintenance is how we have conducted ourselves in past minorities, and it paid off in spades once we got that power back! Let the others ruin our country on their own, while we prepare to fix it again. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 01:37
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Rodyle posted:We do need Tangiers, and letting our army waste away while we help the Ulema cause trouble is how we get it when we take back power. Steady, careful military maintenance is how we have conducted ourselves in past minorities, and it paid off in spades once we got that power back! Redundant proclamations like that make us impotent! The Ulema is offering help further our real goals, in exchange only for the chance to convert a few heretics and heathens. Let them give it their all! Succeed or not, the Moroccan campaign is back on the books.
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Jul 26, 2017 01:43
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And how are they helping us? "Pounce on our rivals" they say. Which rivals? To what end? If they want to us to aid their disruptive activity then they should at least offer us, in precise terms, our desired pieces of Morocco and the breakup of France (giving pieces of land to Germans, Provence, etc), depending on what wars we find ourselves in
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Jul 26, 2017 01:50
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paragon1 posted:
I sponsor this.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:01
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I'll never help out the Ulema in their conversion efforts. And that war proposal is just wayyy too vague, it could easily lead to a blunder. Therefore might as well support Rodyle's act.Rodyle posted:The Taifas duty is, first and foremost, to the military, and certainly NOT to any projects by mad imams seeking to attack our Dhimmi. Such proposals offer nothing for us and quite the opposite actually run counter to our security goals. Supporting.
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Rodyle posted:And how are they helping us? "Pounce on our rivals" they say. Which rivals? To what end? True enough. Fine, I'm withdrawing my endorsement until the following changes are made to the proposal: -If Morocco or France become involved in a war or rebellion, Al-Andalus will immediately declare war. -The war goals against Morocco are the seizure of Tangiers, and then as much adjoining territory as possible. -Against France, it is their removal from the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary and possible without directly taking territory for Al-Andalus. -Moroccan intervention takes priority over French. Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 02:04
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Rodyle posted:We can't take turf while out of power. Right, totally forgot that. My bad.
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Jul 26, 2017 02:08
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The subjugated nations point begs some questions. I'm not even sure what tags exist under France in vanilla, much less the mod. Could we break off Aquitaine and give what's left of southern Burgundy to Provence? That would simultaneously cut France off from our borders and the Med and might very well be worth putting off Tangiers for. If we can't do that, then the focus should be in gutting Morocco for her coast and her colonies.
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Rodyle posted:The subjugated nations point begs some questions. I'm not even sure what tags exist under France in vanilla, much less the mod. Could we break off Aquitaine and give what's left of southern Burgundy to Provence? That would simultaneously cut France off from our borders and the Med and might very well be worth putting off Tangiers for. If we can't do that, then the focus should be in gutting Morocco for her coast and her colonies. I'll change it to pushing the French off the Mediterranean by whatever means necessary without taking territory for ourselves.
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the JJ posted:If the parliamentarian will allow I propose we extend this to include current Moroccan colonies and exclude colonies that might lead us into a war with the Celts. Absolutely not. This is not a bill for war with Morocco. If I intended a direct confrontation with Morocco I would just propose declaring war on them. In fact, taking newly independent colonies under this act should in no circumstances be allowed to draw us into war with another European power.
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Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out!/ Proposing the More Men for the Sultan's Army Coalition I think both our factions share an interest in building our nation's military strength. In previous wars our weakness was running out of manpower, forcing the Sultan to hire mercenaries and take on massive debts to defend the nation. We can solve this problem by adopting Quantity Ideas to bolster the size of our army. Amendment: While this likely goes without saying, the money thus saved by reducing the cost of our military should instead be put toward the economic and cultural development of Al-Andalus. Mountaineer fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 03:42
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Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! Agreed. We should increase the size of our military so that the Sultan may spread the word of Allah easier to the misguided fools in France and the poor heathens in North America
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Jul 26, 2017 04:04
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I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius, who is totally not a Roman, propose the Father Cares for Children Act. I encourage the council to yield authority to our beloved Sultan, long may he reign, to focus on improving the prosperity of Greater al-Andalus within the borders his wise father declared to be our charge in the eyes of the Prophet. Let us leave Morocco for the dogs and France to give itself away. We finally have Iberia for ourselves. Let us let our Sultan focus his benevolent hand on it.
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Jul 26, 2017 04:40
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paragon1 posted:
Supporting this!
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Jul 26, 2017 05:03
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Mountaineer posted:Too bad the New Taifas aren't in charge. I think we're due for a military idea set. Well, there's always coalitions, so let's so if this works out! Support(I'd like to support something with farther reaching power for the sultan, but unless something more suitable is proposed, I believe supporting this is healthiest for Al-Andalus.) Snipee posted:
I like the intention of this act, but is it even legal to propose, and would it be useful considering policies only last one session according to the rules? Zakrelo fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 06:01
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Technowolf posted:
Supporting.
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Jul 26, 2017 06:49
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paragon1 posted:
Gotta be honest, this sounds like a thousand times more trouble that it's worth. They rebelled for a reason, they'll just be a headache to us. If we have to act like Taifas with one of our policies, make it the Panamanian one, folks.
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Were their Carribean holdings among the colonies that rebelled? Because if so why aren't we obsessing over that The Carribean trade node is out economic backbone. We should be striving to fortify our control over it.
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GunnerJ posted:Gotta be honest, this sounds like a thousand times more trouble that it's worth. They rebelled for a reason, they'll just be a headache to us. Suggesting we can't control colonies better than Morocco smdh.
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Jul 26, 2017 07:02
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Crazycryodude posted:
This, but make sure the Sultan is the owner of these new manufactories, fluffwise.
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GunnerJ posted:Gotta be honest, this sounds like a thousand times more trouble that it's worth. They rebelled for a reason, they'll just be a headache to us. They rebelled because they're strong in comparison to morocco or because the AI drove up tariffs way too high. None of these are a problem for us.
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