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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Al! posted:

remember that article posted earlier in the thread about the facebook cafeteria workers who live out of a garage? well they make like 17 and 19 an hour, which if my household was pulling in that kind of combined income id be sitting pretty even in overpriced hipstar rear end pdx. the bay area is a cyberpunk dystopian capitalist hellhole straight out of william gibson and its extremely rich white oligarchs see nothing wrong with that
it's absolutely a dystopian capitalist hellhole.

hmm i wish i had more to add but i don't really

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Venom Snake posted:

again Idk wtf is up with her taking to the right of a literal wall street senator

She's the biggest big-money fundraiser for the Dems. Anything she does is in furtherance of the overriding "get money" directive.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's absolutely a dystopian capitalist hellhole.

hmm i wish i had more to add but i don't really

The HBO SV show owned especially how it lampooned that VC weirdo who compared rich white guys in SF to jews being persecuted in Nazi Germany.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vox Nihili posted:

She's the biggest big-money fundraiser for the Dems. Anything she does is in furtherance of the overriding "get money" directive.

This keeps getting thrown at me but the money shes getting sure as gently caress isn't winning elections

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Al! posted:

remember that article posted earlier in the thread about the facebook cafeteria workers who live out of a garage? well they make like 17 and 19 an hour, which if my household was pulling in that kind of combined income id be sitting pretty even in overpriced hipstar rear end pdx. the bay area is a cyberpunk dystopian capitalist hellhole straight out of william gibson and its extremely rich white oligarchs see nothing wrong with that

1BR apartments in that area are around $2500/month.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

zegermans posted:

Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart, I gave you this! Such a waste.



your not my dad

Al! posted:

reminder, trump has killed more civilians in 6 months than obama did in 8 years.

also reminder, to the democrats and media, this makes him "presidential"

how many civvies has trump killed? obama is responsible for thousands

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
hi im a consumer jest fyi but i dont really want to consume that much healthcare or ill get a tummyache and where would be the healthcare coverage on that if i ate it all huh

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Venom Snake posted:

This keeps getting thrown at me but the money shes getting sure as gently caress isn't winning elections

Remember how our Dread Abuela spent 1.4 billion, double budget as Trump and still the lost the GE?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
would like to consume the new prdocut, deathcare by death

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

etalian posted:

Remember how our Dread Abuela spent 1.4 billion, double budget as Trump and still the lost the GE?

uh excuse me uhhh the russians hacked it umnmm urrr

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




consumption
death
trump

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Venom Snake posted:

again Idk wtf is up with her taking to the right of a literal wall street senator

california is very bad

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE
https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/889928808127705089

the media is the enemy of the people

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

So maybe Sanders was just being nice to Mccain so he could then give him a final push from the mortal coil when he revealed this.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

that motherfucker is riding a goddamn horse, and it's almost white

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

how. how is she so loving tone deaf?!?!

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Matt Zerella posted:

how. how is she so loving tone deaf?!?!

She lives in a district overrun by lovely limousine liberal types like The Zuck

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
everyone in the bay area needs to help primary her rear end

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao at least half the democrats just applauded mccain marching in to vote yes

https://youtu.be/H7Q9ZEdOLSE

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I've hesitated saying anything so far because I'm pretty angry myself and understand people are pissed and need to vent, but try to dial back the weirdly-specific McCain murder fantasies guys.

i'm not even mad, if the american populace isnt pissed off enough about these oligarchs to riot, they get what they deserve.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

etalian posted:

She lives in a district overrun by lovely limousine liberal types like The Zuck

fuckin hell. this tops the "look, were capitalists" poo poo.


unbelievable.

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE


lmfao

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


sorry sarah but mccain is a turdy man

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

she used the word lovely and john mccain in a sentence so its already associ8'd

yer done lady, shoo~

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.8d6ce6ff317d
Cheers for McCain, then a speech like impassioned prophet

quote:

By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar | AP July 25 at 6:39 PM
WASHINGTON — The maverick stood with his party on Tuesday, casting a crucial vote in the Republican drive to repeal “Obamacare.” But then, like an angry prophet, Sen. John McCain condemned the tribal politics besetting the nation.

Confronting an aggressive brain cancer, the 80-year-old Arizonan served notice he would not vote for the GOP legislation as it stands now. McCain’s impassioned speech held the rapt attention of his colleagues in the Senate chamber.

“Stop listening to the bombastic loudmouths on the radio, television and the internet,” he intoned. “To hell with them! They don’t want anything done for the public good. Our incapacity is their livelihood.”

A few minutes earlier, McCain dramatically entered the chamber for the pivotal vote, his first since surgery and his cancer diagnosis in Arizona. Unified for once, Republicans and Democrats applauded and whooped for the six-term lawmaker. “Aye,” he said, thumbs up with both hands, for the GOP vote to move ahead on debate.

After he voted, McCain stood at his seat and accepted hugs and handshakes from all senators in both parties, drawing laughter from the spectators’ gallery when he and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders exchanged an awkward embrace.

McCain then spoke his mind. His face was pale, cheek bruised, a red scar and stitches above his left eye where doctors had removed a blood clot. But his voice was strong. He offered a bit of self-deprecation, saying he was “looking a little worse for wear.”

He bemoaned the lack of legislative accomplishments in the current Congress and the GOP’s secretive process in working on repealing Obamacare. He issued a plea for Democrats and Republicans to work together.

Obama and the Democrats shouldn’t have pushed the Affordable Care Act through on party-line votes when they controlled Washington back in 2010, McCain said, “and we shouldn’t do the same with ours. Why don’t we try the old way of legislating in the Senate?”

That would involve committee hearings and testimony from experts and interested parties, an incremental process that could take months.

He blasted the path taken by Republican leaders “coming up with a proposal behind closed doors in consultation with the administration, then springing it on skeptical members, trying to convince them that it was better than nothing.

“I don’t think that’s going to work in the end, and it probably shouldn’t,” he said.

Debates in the Senate have become “more partisan, more tribal, more of the time than at any time I can remember,” he lamented.

With President Donald Trump threatening electoral retribution for Republicans who don’t toe the line, McCain urged senators to stand up for their own constitutional status.

“Whether or not we are of the same party, we are not the president’s subordinates,” he said. “We are his equal!”

People with health care problems had speculated on social media how McCain would vote, and his decision disappointed many. Addressing concerns that tens of millions will lose coverage if the Republican bill becomes law, McCain said the process is far from over.

“I voted for the motion to proceed to allow debate to continue,” he said. “I will not vote for this bill as it is today. It’s a shell of a bill right now.”

Arizona is one of 31 states that expanded Medicaid under President Barack Obama’s health care law, and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey is worried about tens of thousands losing their health insurance. That has to be addressed, said McCain.

The Arizona senator has emerged as one of Trump’s most outspoken GOP critics. During the presidential campaign Trump had mocked McCain for his capture by the Vietnamese.

The speech Tuesday received a standing ovation.

“He’s tough as a boot,” said Republican Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana. “Many people understandably would be curled up in bed in the fetal position.”

McCain’s return was reminiscent of a similar scenario involving McCain’s good friend, the late Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, who returned to the Senate in July 2008 while battling brain cancer to vote on Medicare legislation, his dramatic entry in the chamber eliciting cheers and applause. Kennedy died in August 2009. (The current Sen. Kennedy is no relation.)

McCain himself campaigned heavily on the “Obamacare” repeal issue last year as he won re-election to a sixth and almost certainly final Senate term. But he has not been a booster of the GOP health bill.

His best friend in the Senate, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, said he’s been impatient to get back to work.

“Is it surprising that he would get out of a hospital bed and go to work? No,” Graham said. “It’s surprising he’s been in the hospital this long.”

___

Associated Press writers Erica Werner, Kevin Freking and Matthew Daly contributed to this report.

Copyright 2017 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

UHD posted:

sorry sarah but mccain is a turdy man

you don't seem sorry at all!!!

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


we all applaud the devotion john mccain showed to killing the less fortunate today! :patriot:

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/25/full-text-john-mccains-senate-floor-speech/509799001/

quote:

“Mr. President:

“I’ve stood in this place many times and addressed as president many presiding officers. I have been so addressed when I have sat in that chair, as close as I will ever be to a presidency.

“It is an honorific we’re almost indifferent to, isn’t it. In truth, presiding over the Senate can be a nuisance, a bit of a ceremonial bore, and it is usually relegated to the more junior members of the majority.

“But as I stand here today – looking a little worse for wear I’m sure – I have a refreshed appreciation for the protocols and customs of this body, and for the other ninety-nine privileged souls who have been elected to this Senate.

“I have been a member of the United States Senate for thirty years. I had another long, if not as long, career before I arrived here, another profession that was profoundly rewarding, and in which I had experiences and friendships that I revere. But make no mistake, my service here is the most important job I have had in my life. And I am so grateful to the people of Arizona for the privilege – for the honor – of serving here and the opportunities it gives me to play a small role in the history of the country I love.

“I’ve known and admired men and women in the Senate who played much more than a small role in our history, true statesmen, giants of American politics. They came from both parties, and from various backgrounds. Their ambitions were frequently in conflict. They held different views on the issues of the day. And they often had very serious disagreements about how best to serve the national interest.

“But they knew that however sharp and heartfelt their disputes, however keen their ambitions, they had an obligation to work collaboratively to ensure the Senate discharged its constitutional responsibilities effectively. Our responsibilities are important, vitally important, to the continued success of our Republic. And our arcane rules and customs are deliberately intended to require broad cooperation to function well at all. The most revered members of this institution accepted the necessity of compromise in order to make incremental progress on solving America’s problems and to defend her from her adversaries.

“That principled mindset, and the service of our predecessors who possessed it, come to mind when I hear the Senate referred to as the world’s greatest deliberative body. I’m not sure we can claim that distinction with a straight face today.

“I’m sure it wasn’t always deserved in previous eras either. But I’m sure there have been times when it was, and I was privileged to witness some of those occasions.

“Our deliberations today – not just our debates, but the exercise of all our responsibilities – authorizing government policies, appropriating the funds to implement them, exercising our advice and consent role – are often lively and interesting. They can be sincere and principled. But they are more partisan, more tribal more of the time than any other time I remember. Our deliberations can still be important and useful, but I think we’d all agree they haven’t been overburdened by greatness lately. And right now they aren’t producing much for the American people.

“Both sides have let this happen. Let’s leave the history of who shot first to the historians. I suspect they’ll find we all conspired in our decline – either by deliberate actions or neglect. We’ve all played some role in it. Certainly I have. Sometimes, I’ve let my passion rule my reason. Sometimes, I made it harder to find common ground because of something harsh I said to a colleague. Sometimes, I wanted to win more for the sake of winning than to achieve a contested policy.

“Incremental progress, compromises that each side criticize but also accept, just plain muddling through to chip away at problems and keep our enemies from doing their worst isn’t glamorous or exciting. It doesn’t feel like a political triumph. But it’s usually the most we can expect from our system of government, operating in a country as diverse and quarrelsome and free as ours.

“Considering the injustice and cruelties inflicted by autocratic governments, and how corruptible human nature can be, the problem solving our system does make possible, the fitful progress it produces, and the liberty and justice it preserves, is a magnificent achievement.

“Our system doesn’t depend on our nobility. It accounts for our imperfections, and gives an order to our individual strivings that has helped make ours the most powerful and prosperous society on earth. It is our responsibility to preserve that, even when it requires us to do something less satisfying than ‘winning.’ Even when we must give a little to get a little. Even when our efforts manage just three yards and a cloud of dust, while critics on both sides denounce us for timidity, for our failure to ‘triumph.’

“I hope we can again rely on humility, on our need to cooperate, on our dependence on each other to learn how to trust each other again and by so doing better serve the people who elected us. Stop listening to the bombastic loudmouths on the radio and television and the Internet. To hell with them. They don’t want anything done for the public good. Our incapacity is their livelihood.

“Let’s trust each other. Let’s return to regular order. We’ve been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. That’s an approach that’s been employed by both sides, mandating legislation from the top down, without any support from the other side, with all the parliamentary maneuvers that requires.

“We’re getting nothing done. All we’ve really done this year is confirm Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Our healthcare insurance system is a mess. We all know it, those who support Obamacare and those who oppose it. Something has to be done. We Republicans have looked for a way to end it and replace it with something else without paying a terrible political price. We haven’t found it yet, and I’m not sure we will. All we’ve managed to do is make more popular a policy that wasn’t very popular when we started trying to get rid of it.

“I voted for the motion to proceed to allow debate to continue and amendments to be offered. I will not vote for the bill as it is today. It’s a shell of a bill right now. We all know that. I have changes urged by my state’s governor that will have to be included to earn my support for final passage of any bill. I know many of you will have to see the bill changed substantially for you to support it.

“We’ve tried to do this by coming up with a proposal behind closed doors in consultation with the administration, then springing it on skeptical members, trying to convince them it’s better than nothing, asking us to swallow our doubts and force it past a unified opposition. I don’t think that is going to work in the end. And it probably shouldn’t.

“The Obama administration and congressional Democrats shouldn’t have forced through Congress without any opposition support a social and economic change as massive as Obamacare. And we shouldn’t do the same with ours.

“Why don’t we try the old way of legislating in the Senate, the way our rules and customs encourage us to act. If this process ends in failure, which seem likely, then let’s return to regular order.

“Let the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee under Chairman Alexander and Ranking Member Murray hold hearings, try to report a bill out of committee with contributions from both sides. Then bring it to the floor for amendment and debate, and see if we can pass something that will be imperfect, full of compromises, and not very pleasing to implacable partisans on either side, but that might provide workable solutions to problems Americans are struggling with today.

“What have we to lose by trying to work together to find those solutions? We’re not getting much done apart. I don’t think any of us feels very proud of our incapacity. Merely preventing your political opponents from doing what they want isn’t the most inspiring work. There’s greater satisfaction in respecting our differences, but not letting them prevent agreements that don’t require abandonment of core principles, agreements made in good faith that help improve lives and protect the American people.

“The Senate is capable of that. We know that. We’ve seen it before. I’ve seen it happen many times. And the times when I was involved even in a modest way with working out a bipartisan response to a national problem or threat are the proudest moments of my career, and by far the most satisfying.

“This place is important. The work we do is important. Our strange rules and seemingly eccentric practices that slow our proceedings and insist on our cooperation are important. Our founders envisioned the Senate as the more deliberative, careful body that operates at a greater distance than the other body from the public passions of the hour.

“We are an important check on the powers of the Executive. Our consent is necessary for the President to appoint jurists and powerful government officials and in many respects to conduct foreign policy. Whether or not we are of the same party, we are not the President’s subordinates. We are his equal!

“As his responsibilities are onerous, many and powerful, so are ours. And we play a vital role in shaping and directing the judiciary, the military, and the cabinet, in planning and supporting foreign and domestic policies. Our success in meeting all these awesome constitutional obligations depends on cooperation among ourselves.

“The success of the Senate is important to the continued success of America. This country – this big, boisterous, brawling, intemperate, restless, striving, daring, beautiful, bountiful, brave, good and magnificent country – needs us to help it thrive. That responsibility is more important than any of our personal interests or political affiliations.

“We are the servants of a great nation, ‘a nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.’ More people have lived free and prosperous lives here than in any other nation. We have acquired unprecedented wealth and power because of our governing principles, and because our government defended those principles.

“America has made a greater contribution than any other nation to an international order that has liberated more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. We have been the greatest example, the greatest supporter and the greatest defender of that order. We aren’t afraid. “We don’t covet other people’s land and wealth. We don’t hide behind walls. We breach them. We are a blessing to humanity.

“What greater cause could we hope to serve than helping keep America the strong, aspiring, inspirational beacon of liberty and defender of the dignity of all human beings and their right to freedom and equal justice? That is the cause that binds us and is so much more powerful and worthy than the small differences that divide us.

“What a great honor and extraordinary opportunity it is to serve in this body.

“It’s a privilege to serve with all of you. I mean it. Many of you have reached out in the last few days with your concern and your prayers, and it means a lot to me. It really does. I’ve had so many people say such nice things about me recently that I think some of you must have me confused with someone else. I appreciate it though, every word, even if much of it isn’t deserved.

“I’ll be here for a few days, I hope managing the floor debate on the defense authorization bill, which, I’m proud to say is again a product of bipartisan cooperation and trust among the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“After that, I’m going home for a while to treat my illness. I have every intention of returning here and giving many of you cause to regret all the nice things you said about me. And, I hope, to impress on you again that it is an honor to serve the American people in your company.

“Thank you, fellow senators.

“Mr. President, I yield the floor.”

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011


Some people say a lie is just a lie
But I say
The cross is in the ballpark
Why deny the obvious child?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Condiv posted:

we all applaud the devotion john mccain showed to killing the less fortunate today! :patriot:

Well he served in military so he's used to getting rewarding for killing other people.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/889984996282216448

https://twitter.com/jbmoorephoto/status/889452604660559872

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

got any sevens posted:

your not my dad


how many civvies has trump killed? obama is responsible for thousands

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



we just need to tweak obamacare a bit....

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
wow that came out tiny lol

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Al! posted:

wow that came out tiny lol

thats what she said xD

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

look at all those consumers!!!

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


only in america could car ownership be easier to achieve than healthcare

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.

SKULL.GIF posted:

best part of this is it's mostly because boomers won't let go of their jobs so the millennials who would replace them don't have the experience to step up and be promoted when they inevitably retire/croak

Xers are never gonna get our day in the sun, are we
:smith:

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

here is a "charity" gala in nyc, for comparison

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


more and more antibiotic resistant diseases are appearing these days, and they'll require new, expensiveish treatments

meanwhile, poor people are barely capable of weathering easily treatable diseases. dems show no urgency in getting the poor healthcare because:

a) they're paid not to
b) they don't care
c) they actually hope plagues can clean up the lower class problems in america
d) all of the above

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Scent of Worf posted:

thats what she said xD

it went in big :pervert:

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