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Cyouni posted:Haha the culprit is Yasu. Side note that Yasuda is the last name, so they never would have been mentioned by that name up till now. So Yasuda Yoshiya and Yasuda Sayo are both totally possible as names. That is a fair point, so we can't say for sure their servant name should have been Yasuon (安音). ProfessorProf posted:
But this line got me wondering, particular referring to Shannon as popular, got me wondering if there was an actual Shannon at the orphanage. One who had graduated and moved on with a fat pile of servant money prior to 1976. It's been said they reuse -on names, right? And probably not much attention was paid to her by Krauss or Natsushi, and Jessica would be too young, so nobody would really notice if Yasu started modeling themself after her physically. And it would cast a new light on episode 6 when Shannon said, if she wins the love duel, she'll marry George, leave the island behind, and forget all about Kanon. Just like the original Shannon grew up, got a job, and forgot all about Yasu (who was probably just some kind that she was nice to once because, as someone not actually appearing in this game, she's not a terrible person).
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I'm guessing it's Yasuda Sayo just because the stuff we've seen so far and Shannon being around longer than Kanon works best with Yasu raised as a girl. I'm a little on the fence on that meaning LION is afab, though. We don't really know the ways in which the baby was injured in the fall, as squeamish as saying that makes me. A female baby would make sense with Genji's worries, though. It doesn't really matter either way, but I think Yasu's biological sex and what they were raised to identify as either matching or not matching carries some different connotations and implications as to what sort of gender issues Yasu is struggling with, since evidence suggests that deciding from infancy to raise an infant as a gender not matching their biological sex often causes pretty severe dysphoria in most cases, since it's assigning a gender that is quite likely to not fit the person in question.
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I think any speculation on Yasu's gender is kinda pointless because I'm getting the impression R07 is very deliberately never going to give an answer. But just to make this uncomfortable subject even worse, we're never told how old Beatrice Jr. was when Kinzo stopped seeing her as a daughter, and Kinzo had a whole decade more of crazy, so Genji's fears could have been the same regardless of Yasu's genitals.
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resurgam40 posted:You know... I don't really think Battler- at least the Battler we have come to know in this story- is supposed to be the Dante here. The Dante in the story is a searcher, yes, for his beloved ideal, but that's never been why Battler has been searching for: it's the truth behind Beatrice and what they did, not the ideal or possibility of salvation or love or what have you. Even when Battler stopped- um, this is really difficult to say feelings wise; I was going to say "hating" Beatrice, or started loving, but feelings of that nature are all kinda bound up in each other, so I don't really wanna touch that- fighting against Beatrice he was never as into the idea of her as somebody else who shall not be named by this goon (At all. Again. Ever. That's a good point, but I would argue that the Dante of the Divine Comedy is not so much searching for Beatrice herself but also for a truth that she is guiding him towards - which is why being reunited with Beatrice is only the end of the second book, not of the entire story. After all, he sets out on his journey through the afterlife not primarily because he misses Beatrice, but because he has lost his way and Beatrice intervenes on his behalf; the search for Beatrice is more of a method to not lose focus on the way (at least in my admittedly not terribly informed interpretation). But in writing this I had the idea that maybe your point and mine can be brought together: Kinzo and Battler represent two states of love, both directed at a symbolic-and-real Beatrice, but one of them possessive and projecting an ideal, the other seeking to understand and accept (and, perhaps, with the potential to grow beyond the fixation on a single person). And that, in turn, fits well with the role of love in the Divine Comedy, as the highest virtue that nevertheless requires quite a bit of effort to be kept pure.
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I was pondering whether Lion's ambiguity was somehow a protection against Kinzo but wasn't able to come up with a theory that fully fit the situation. It sounded weird/crazy so I didn't post it. (Never not post.) I'm glad the inkling was borne out, though. I would've called it "the catbox gender."
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Cyouni posted:
I was thinking Yoshiya may have just been a corruption of Yasuda. As Kanon was very reluctant to give his real name.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I was thinking Yoshiya may have just been a corruption of Yasuda. As Kanon was very reluctant to give his real name. I'm sure this'll be clear once we get to the part of this 9 chapter story that explains why Kanon exists.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:I was pondering whether Lion's ambiguity was somehow a protection against Kinzo but wasn't able to come up with a theory that fully fit the situation. It sounded weird/crazy so I didn't post it. (Never not post.) I'm glad the inkling was borne out, though. I would've called it "the catbox gender." High five for thinking of the same phrasing! 
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It all comes back to Kinzo, doesn't it? Not just protecting the kid, gotta protect Kinzo, too. And how is Kinzo supposed to notice this kid, anyway? He holes himself up in his room and screams "Beatrice" all the time. He doesn't even talk to anyone other than Genji and Nanjo. This plan was doomed to fail from the start. Also, agreeing that upon knowing the extent of Kinzo's sins, Nanjo is also one hell of a motherfucker. Ironic that the doctor, the one dedicated to saving lives, has more blood on his hands than the goddamn butler. So does this mean that Yasu secretly learned to be a master of disguise, or impersonation?
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Yasu learned the glorious art of one-person LARPing.
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PetraCore posted:Yasu learned the glorious art of one-person LARPing. 
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bman in 2288 posted:And how is Kinzo supposed to notice this kid, anyway? He holes himself up in his room and screams "Beatrice" all the time. He doesn't even talk to anyone other than Genji and Nanjo. This plan was doomed to fail from the start. Come to think of it, how did Yasu find all this out? I assume there's a big revelation coming, but the step from 'I am a servant who is treated a bit weird' to 'I am the illegitimate heir and know all the awful details as to how I got here' is a pretty big one. Maybe it has something to do with Battler, things do seem to keep coming back to him, and if he's also illegitimate, as in the stillborn switch theory, there could be something there as to why Yasu feels such a connection with him.
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Graylien posted:Come to think of it, how did Yasu find all this out? I assume there's a big revelation coming, but the step from 'I am a servant who is treated a bit weird' to 'I am the illegitimate heir and know all the awful details as to how I got here' is a pretty big one. Maybe it has something to do with Battler, things do seem to keep coming back to him, and if he's also illegitimate, as in the stillborn switch theory, there could be something there as to why Yasu feels such a connection with him. Im guessing that they realized it from kinzo (who would not shut up about beatrice and then confirmed it via genji). Thats what turned beatrice from a sorta nice witch that played with maria to, 'I will play with their lives and infinitely kill/resurrect them'. Also didnt battler mention in game 3 that he did have a crush on shannon? also shannon mentioned he made a bold claim the last time he was on the island? those were probably related to why the game happened in the first place. you know doesnt that make Yasu not only Battlers,Jessica, and Georges cousin but also their aunt/uncle? well thats probably something im better off not thinking about. lookw fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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My thanks to whoever recommended Carr. I got a collection of three of his mysteries, and read all of them in five days, so yeah, they hit the spot.
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BurningStone posted:My thanks to whoever recommended Carr. I got a collection of three of his mysteries, and read all of them in five days, so yeah, they hit the spot. I don't know if it was me or someone else who did that, but glad to hear you enjoyed Carr all the same. Which three did you read?
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Have we heard anything about Lion's toes? It's possible Sayo could've noticed sharing polydactyly with Kinzo, right?
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 BGM: Far (piano version)   "...Didn't you use it to clean the window frames?"Ah, The small broom is a small, thin broom that looks like a large paintbrush. We use it to clear out the dust in small corners, like window frames. It's one of the cleaning tools I was put in charge of...  "Come on, that's your responsibility, right?! What're you doing, idiot?!" "Quickly, go and find it... You have to do it before Madam finds out..." "What's up?" "Yasu lost the small broom again. Are you some sort of genius at losing things?!" "That's why I'm always telling you, never give things to Yasu. Yasu's always careless and losing things." "Don't say that, can't you see this kid's working hard...? Come on, quickly. I'll wait for you."O, okay... Not wanting to hear the servants complain even more, I spun around and headed off. If you lose a tool, you get in trouble. If no one knows who did it, we all get yelled at, so one of them will probably tell Madam that it was my fault. Still, it's my fault that I lost it in the first place. I wonder when I lost it. When, when...  The chapel is a large building behind the mansion. However, no one ever goes near it, normally. Even so, we are ordered to clean the chapel a few times each year. Kinzo calls it a sacred building, so Natsuhi is very strict about it... We clean every little nook and cranny, from top to bottom. It had taken all day. I had been in charge of cleaning the window frames, but I had also been given many smaller tasks. While those small jobs kept me busy, I had completely forgotten the small broom, and I must have left it lying around somewhere. ...I began to hate myself for it. This isn't the first time this has happened. It happens all the time. Every time I set something down, it always disappears. It goes somewhere else. Vanishes. I've come to think that these might be pranks by the witch Beatrice. The ghost of the witch Beatrice borrowed the power of Rokkenjima's evil spirits to become reborn. Until Kumasawa-san told me, I never knew the meaning of the shrine on the rocks by the sea...   "Hey, Kumasawa! Let us hear too!" "Tell us the scary, scary tale of Rokkenjima's evil spirits!" "Hohoho, very well, very well. Rokkenjima used to be called Azukishima. However, even deeper in the distant past, it was known as Akujikishima. It was rumored that sailors who got too near the island were dragged down to the bottom of the sea and had their souls eaten." "...Those frightening spirits do exist on this island, you know? Hohohoho." "It was Kumasawa's favorite ghost story. Every new servant who came to the island heard about it. Though such a story could usually be laughed off, on the night of a violent storm on Rokkenjima, that island where nothing exists except the Ushiromiya mansion, everyone would listen meekly." "The shrine by the coast was there to seal the evil spirits away!" "And the Master had that eerie occult hobby!" "And the mansion was so creepy, something must have been lurking around somewhere!" "Hohohoho. True, true. Sealing up the spirits was all that the traveling ascetic could manage. The seal just managed to hold them, but to this very day, they wander through the mansion, night after night, searching for a victim. Hohohoho..." "Have you seen the Master's study?!" "I have! It's like some kind of demon laboratory!" "There's that rumor about the Master researching demons!" "They also say he's researching how to revive his mistress, Beatrice!" "Didn't they say he was gathering children to be sacrifices for his magic experiments?!" "Waah, scary! What'd you do if the Master asked you to come into the study alone?!" "I heard that, long ago, one kid went into the study and never came out!" "She must have been a victim of an experiment to give Beatrice's ghost a new body!" "Hohoho. Very true. Beatrice-sama has become a ghost, and wanders around searching for a body. The VIP room on the second floor is where Beatrice-sama dwells... You must always be respectful when cleaning that room... If you aren't... uhihihihihhihhi~!" "In the eyes of teenage boys and girls, with their powerful imaginations, the ghost story was both terrifying and fascinating. It gave them a sense of solidarity, since they all got to experience the same tale. Then, that sharing became an obligation, and accepting the story became a rite of passage for joining the community. This was something that had been passed on since long ago."  "I heard about it too, mostly from Nee-san." "I heard it too. From Kumasawa-san, mainly." "So, not only the timid-looking Shannon, but a boy, Kanon, and a big adult, Gohda, believed in the ghost story?" "Well, I didn't really..." "There are tales of ghost stories and jinxes in all jobs. There were several stories of the sort at the hotel I once worked at." "So, you thought it was stupid, and you didn't mind it at all?" "...I think there was a need to blend with the community." "That's it. Ghost stories and jinxes are all the local rules of your workplace. If a newcomer breaks those rules, they can't expect to be welcomed in." "Exactly. If I said witches couldn't exist, that it was ridiculous, then I'd get into a fight with Nee-san. It was easier if I just appeared to go along with it." "Come on. If you look at it that way, you'll be cursed... There was one servant who got seriously injured..." "Hahaha, all workplaces have stories like that. No matter how incredible the ghost stories and tales about the company founder are, you accept and believe them. That's what it means to blend in with your new workplace." ""Wow! Everyone's so mature!"" BGM: None I had been cleaning the windows with it, so it had probably been set down near one of those. When did I leave it behind, I wonder. Now that I think about it, I don't think I had it anymore when I reached the last window, so I must have completely forgotten to clean that window frame. "...Ah." Through the window, I could see the others leaving in groups. Shannon turned around and glanced up, looking worried. I don't want to be responsible for making everyone wait, so I'm actually glad they're leaving without me... Still, naive though it may have been, I wanted them to wait...  BGM: Witch in Gold (cembalo) I'd better find the small broom fast. No, that's not all. I also need to clean the window frames I forgot. Madam is strict. She'll probably check all of the windows carefully. If she does, I'll be the one that gets in trouble tomorrow. But really, where did I lose it? Why did I lose it? The darkness grew and grew. When it became dark enough that I would need a light before long, I began to panic. I dashed around and around the chapel, tears streaming down my face... As I stumbled about pathetically, I could feel the presence of a prankster witch, giggling at me from under the door and up by the ceiling.  As she gains the power of Rokkenjima's evil spirits, her strength steadily grows, and she waits for the day of her resurrection. And, for some reason, she's peeking out at me, and if I ever take my eyes off something for a second, she snatches it away and hides it. This isn't the first time this has happened. Whenever I look away, keys, handkerchiefs, pencils, erasers... all of them vanish almost right away. Even though I was planning to use them later, or just wanted to put them in their proper place, they disappear as soon as I turn around. It isn't someone hiding them as a prank. It's happened many times when I'm the only person around. Everyone always says I'm too careless and forgetful, and they laugh at me... get mad at me. I do try to be alert, but like some kind of bad joke, I lose things easily when I forget about them for just a short while. So, sometimes, I think 'well, this eraser is just going to disappear sooner or later', and I stare at it. But at those times alone, it doesn't disappear. Nothing disappears when I'm alert. But as soon as I think I'm safe, and the tension relaxes just a bit, then something else will disappear...! Why is it always me...?!  BGM: Lie-alaiaa ...Yeah, I hear it. I can hear that witch laughing at me as I lamely run around in circles...  Listening to that voiceless laugh, I finally slammed my hands against the wall, crying tears of frustration. "Please, just stop it...!! Why do you always hide my things and get me in trouble?!" And, the witch answered. Fool. Isn't it obvious?  I couldn't bear it. Even though I knew what she said was true, hearing it said directly was incredibly annoying. I understand. That small broom probably is somewhere in this chapel. No, that's not quite it. Right until I came to this window here, I'm sure it was right by this window frame. That's right, I'm sure I put it by this window. But the prankster witch Beatrice used her magic, and just before I reached this spot, she instantly teleported the small broom to the next window over. The instant I approached that window, a hole appeared beneath the small broom, swallowing it up. And it came out by the next window after that. It landed right inside it, as though it had been there the whole time. And this happened over and over again! As I ran up to that window, the small broom fell into a magic hole and went to the next window. And when I went to that window, it went to the next window...! And I realized that she was just making fun of me! So no matter how much I searched, it would be useless. But if I stop searching, it'll be just sitting there by one window or another. So, this isn't a search. It's a test of endurance. I kept chasing after the small broom, and Beatrice kept making it escape to the next window over, trying to make me give up. This is an eternal chase... that'll end only when one of us gives up...! So, I kept going around and around, even to windows that I knew I'd already searched. If it's not by this one, then the next one, and the next one. And the witch kept moving the small broom to the next window, and the next one...!  BGM: Terminal Entrance *giggle*, heh heh hahhahahahahahahahahaha...!! The shrill, voiceless laugh of the formless witch continued to mock my sobbing. The witch is right beside me, laughing at me. As I dash around the chapel, she's following along with me, taunting me. Then... she must be... there. She's right behind me, just over my shoulder, still cackling away. I know that turning around won't help, since she has no form. I can try to look, but I mustn't look with my eyes. Once my eyes tell me there's nothing there, I won't be able to 'see' anymore. I learned that from the Director of the Fukuin House. You mustn't try to see with your eyes. You must see with the eyes of your heart. The whole world is filled with God's love. In the many blessings of everyday life, one can see God, and angels, and the Holy Ghost. If you try to look at them with your eyes, you cannot see them, so you won't be able to 'see' them. So you won't be able to feel them or understand them. With the eyes of the heart, you will quietly understand. You don't look at them. You 'see', and draw them with your heart. In this way, I learned how to recognize beings not of this world at the Fukuin House. ...It doesn't just mean being able to 'see' God. This power lets one see all of those not of this world.   "...Hoh, So, you can speak to me?""I'm clumsy, bad at my job, and I do put things down and forget about them a lot. But I know which things were my fault, and which things were because of your pranks." "How amusing... Not only can you perceive me in my formless state, but you even understand my little game. It seems you're a more interesting creature than I thought, Yasu."...I'm usually called Yasu when one of the older servants is laughing behind my back at some mistake I've made. So, when I hear that name, it feels bad. She called me, not by the blessed name given to me by the Fukuin House, but by that unblessed name. Upsetting the heart is a classic move for evil beings to make. By doing that, they make it so that their presence isn't noticed. To beings like witches, being understood is like shoving them out into the light of day. "...It won't work. In the Fukuin House, I learned how to perceive those not of this world. So, I already understand you." "Very interesting. You've taken me, a being so faint that I'd fly away if you blew on me, and trapped me, perceived me. You're an interesting kid, Yasu!""It won't work. I've now understood and perceived you. No matter how many unpleasant things you say, you'll just expose the ugliness of your heart." Without turning around, I slowly let my range of vision fill the entire chapel. It was as though the viewpoint of my soul was floating out from the shell of my head. See, inch by inch, my range of vision is floating out of my head... and drifting upwards. As I looked down at myself, standing there with head hanging and eyes tightly shut... very slowly... rose up to the ceiling of the chapel. And when I looked down from there... I saw myself, standing in the center of the chapel, and the witch standing behind me. ...Apparently, the witch realized that I could see her. She turned around... and raised her eyes to look at the eyes of my heart, floating by the ceiling... At last, I could see the witch Beatrice... with the eyes of my heart...  The demonic lips... twisted in an ugly curve. It was clearly a challenging, repulsive, demon's smile... She wore a blood-red dress and hat. The design was completely different from anything humans wore. Her hair was blonde. It had countless beautiful curls, like a princess from a picture book, but there was no trace of cuteness about her.  "...I did think you were a bit different from the other humans, but it seems I was mistaken.""..."  "You're totally different from those other humans, not just 'a bit'. *cackle*cackle*...!""You sad witch, who can be seen by no one, heard by no one. Have you been pulling these pranks all the time just to catch the attention of humans...?" "I use what little magic I have to interfere when humans aren't looking, but no matter what I do, none of them think that it's magic. They decide that they just made a little mistake, and blow my existence away like the candles on a cake.""If so, then I've just saved you. Because I understand you... and have perceived you."  "...Saved me? *cackle*cackle*cackle*! To me, this meeting with you is nothing more than a new way to kill time.""It's getting dark. I don't have the time to play with you anymore." "Oho. My apologies. I was so engrossed that I didn't notice the time.""...Please give it back. My cleaning tool."  "That small broom, or whatever you call it? It's right there, by the next window.""But as soon as I get close, you'll move it to the next window over." "*cackle*cackle*! My form is elusive, as is my magic. With a snap of my fingers, I can do anything...!"The witch snapped her fingers, and various things throughout the chapel were sucked into a black pitfall beneath them, disappearing. No, they didn't disappear. The instant they vanished into the dark holes, other dark holes appeared in completely different parts of the chapel, and the vanished objects fell out of those. Chairs, musical scores, clocks, and vases started appearing and disappearing all across the room. It made it feel as though countless tools were flying about the chapel...  I wonder where the witch draws the line between pranks and magic. When she snapped her fingers again, all of the loud, flying objects returned to their original spots, and silence fell. "I've taken a liking to you. You've perceived and captured me? *cackle*cackle*! That works in reverse. It means I've perceived and captured you.""..." The Fukuin Director told me not to try and 'see' evil beings. If you 'see' them, they will possess you. Now that I understood this witch, a bond had been formed between us. "That is correct. Now that you have acknowledged my existence, I have formed a bond with you. After all the years I've spent in boredom, it will be nice to have a young kid like you to talk to.""I will talk to you from time to time. So, will you stop pulling pranks like this?" "No, I won't be here to talk to you, but to play with you! *cackle*cackle*. And if we're playing, pranks are just part of the game, right?""..." "Heheh. Very well. I've had enough fun for one day. The sun has sunk and the moon is full. I'm a bit tired after appearing in front of you for so long. Let us call it a night. Look how much fun we had with just a single broom...!""Please, give it back." "No way. I'll keep this as a token of our meeting. Got a problem with that?""...If I said I did, would you give it back to me?" "I never listen to humans! However, I might lend an ear to a friend.""...If you give it back, I'll acknowledge you as a friend."  "What do you mean, you might...?" "I'll take my time in deciding whether you're worthy to be my friend. After all, witches are like demons! If you ask us for an answer, we'll never give one right away. *cackle*cackle*!""...Understood. Then, I'll leave the small broom with you. Please give it back when you decide to become my friend." "Very well. Will this broom become a bridge of friendship between us, or not? I will hang onto it for now, making my decision in my own good time."When the witch snapped her fingers, the broom for which I had searched so long fell out of a hole in the air, landing between the fingers she had just snapped... "This is goodbye. This game with you was far from boring. Let us play again sometime.""If you're my friend, that is." "When a cat toys with a mouse, does it try to become friends with it first? *cackle*cackle*, ahahahahahahahahahaa!!" BGM: None When I returned to my body, I felt suddenly tired, and let out the breath I'd been holding. Of course, when I turned around, there was no one to be seen. I couldn't feel the witch's presence anywhere anymore. It had gotten very dark by this time. I decided to leave the chapel. There's no point in searching for the small broom any longer. Not until the witch decides to give it back. I went out of the chapel. The chapel key had been left in the lock. I used it to lock the door. What am I going to do about the small broom? There's nothing I can do. I can't even blame the witch. I must acknowledge that I'm responsible for giving the witch a chance... "...Nn-"  It was the broom I had been searching for all this time. Don't tell me... that it'll be swallowed up by a dark hole the instant I bend over to pick it up...? No. This is... a sign from the witch. A sign that she acknowledges me as a friend. I picked it up. Oh, I am one yet many.  "...However, as some of you listeners may have noticed, this was not a meeting with the real Beatrice. The witch I then called Beatrice would later be known by another name." "...However, she was clearly not human. And being bonded with one who is not human means being bonded with their world. I still had no way of knowing the varied fates that waited for me on Rokkenjima..."
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Huh. So Gaap was Beatrice v.1, back before Maria was around to teach Yasuda about things like the 72 demons of Solomon... something to explain to her own mind why she's losing things all the drat time, like a poltergeist. And she's the first friend... interesting how Shannon isn't considered the first friend, isn't it- a possible hint that even now, Yasu knew that Shannon was an ideal at this point? Yeesh, how lonely to have to make up your own friend... and to co-opt the images of the people you were never able to make friends with into your friends in your head.
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Hopeford posted:I don't know if it was me or someone else who did that, but glad to hear you enjoyed Carr all the same. Which three did you read? Three Coffins, Wake the Dead, and Skeleton in the Clock. I didn't notice any particular parallels to this story, but Carr wrote a ton of stuff, so I figured the odds of accidentally stumbling into his parallel story were low.
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Yasu, please stop creating magical circumstances to circumvent the truth that you are being bullied.  Also since Gaap-Beatrice is not the first time that Yasu figured out how to see beings beyond vision, I suppose the first time was with Shannon.
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resurgam40 posted:And she's the first friend... interesting how Shannon isn't considered the first friend, isn't it- a possible hint that even now, Yasu knew that Shannon was an ideal at this point? I think that's just because Yasuda already knew Shannon at Fukuin House. Gaap is the first friend made "after coming to this island." I'm having serious trouble telling whether Yasuda is genuinely delusional at this point or whether Yasuda is aware that Shannon and Gaap are imaginary friends serving to provide some halfway positive and/or friendly interaction, since none of the real live human beings around is doing as much. Or, for that matter, whether Shannon might even be a real person at this point whose identity Yasuda partially adopts later, similar to Beatrice. That's tricky to reconcile with the timeline of when "our" Shannon started working on Rokkenjima, though.
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Confused Llama posted:I think that's just because Yasuda already knew Shannon at Fukuin House. Gaap is the first friend made "after coming to this island." I've theorized as much already. Remember that Yasuda had 9 years of living in the orphanage to meet the real life basis for Shannon before coming to Rokenjima.
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Just weeping again about the fact that Yasuda only knew their mom as an antagonistic ghost witch imaginary friend nbd
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Just weeping again about the fact that Yasuda only knew their mom as an antagonistic ghost witch imaginary friend nbd What are you talking about? Kumasawa is right there. You couldn't find a better mom anywhere in this story.
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ZiegeDame posted:What are you talking about? Kumasawa is right there. You couldn't find a better mom anywhere in this story. Edit: of course, the "Best Mom" title has an admittedly real low bar in Umineko.
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In case it wasn't obvious from the English text, Gaap speaks here like Beatrice typically does, complete with using warawa and sonata.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:23
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Eva's not a bad mom to George, just strict. She's a rather less than ideal aunt, admittedly.
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tiistai posted:In case it wasn't obvious from the English text, Gaap speaks here like Beatrice typically does, complete with using warawa and sonata. Warawa was explained previously, but what does sonata mean?
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It's a very formal, slightly-archaic second-person pronoun. Sort of like how Thou is perceived in English.
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Rodyle posted:Eva's not a bad mom to George, just strict. She stated to be a tease and joker to her nephews and nieces but like her husband she seemed well liked by them.
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MonsterEnvy posted:She stated to be a tease and joker to her nephews and nieces but like her husband she seemed well liked by them. It's more she's a right bitch to her siblings and anyone who she doesn't approve of for George, but she is pretty mean to Maria just to rile Rosa up.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:21
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Eva was terrible mom to Ange 
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Jul 26, 2017 22:50
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Did we talk about brain damage? Because a good portion of this suffering sounds like brain damage.
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I'll also add that raising your kid to fulfill all of your own failed aspirations, and then fighting tooth-and-nail against the first thing about their life they ever decide for themself isn't exactly stellar parenting.
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resurgam40 posted:Huh. So Gaap was Beatrice v.1, back before Maria was around to teach Yasuda about things like the 72 demons of Solomon... something to explain to her own mind why she's losing things all the drat time, like a poltergeist. And she's the first friend... interesting how Shannon isn't considered the first friend, isn't it- a possible hint that even now, Yasu knew that Shannon was an ideal at this point? Well, imaginary friends are normal and healthy for young children. Even 9 year olds, and add into the developmental delay that Yasu has, and it definitely fits. So I don't think the problem is with Beatrice/Gaap, or even Shannon, but that this is something Yasu never grew out of, because everything else in their life sucked so bad that imaginary friends and, well, basically roleplay characters were the only 'people' who would be friends with them. Basically, my argument is that in these first two 'chapters' of Yasu's story, their internal roleplay with imaginary friends isn't unhealthy, unexpected, or maladaptive. Yet.
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bman in 2288 posted:Did we talk about brain damage? Because a good portion of this suffering sounds like brain damage. As someone with ADHD, I am pretty familiar with the 'losing things' thing Yasu talks about, though. I'm medicated now and coping fairly well with my ADHD, but when I'm stressed or unmedicated, I can either focus on things very intently or not focus on them at all. The problem is compounded by the fact that there's only so many things I can focus very intently on at a given time, so when running through a list of tasks in school or in chores, I would set something down, go to the next task, and completely forget where I had put something or even that I'd set something down in the first place. I used to accidentally spoil a lot of milk that way, actually, by taking it out for cereal, forgetting I'd taken it out, and leaving it on the counter all day until it'd soured. I'm not saying Yasu has ADHD, mind. A TBI fits better given their history.
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MonsterEnvy posted:She stated to be a tease and joker to her nephews and nieces but like her husband she seemed well liked by them. I was referring to Ange
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Rodyle posted:I was referring to Ange Thanks Bern.
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ProfessorProf posted:It's a very formal, slightly-archaic second-person pronoun. Sort of like how Thou is perceived in English. 
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