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Agean90 posted:if the state and local parties cant win elections then theres no reason for them to exist, and since the dems cant win national level elections welp campaigns do not need to be run through state and local parties. they only exist because they are legally required to exist, and they are useful to funnel federal money through in order to fund certain exempt programs like gotv.
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it's gonna be cute when senile president sanders stars signing things "bernie bernie"
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deadgoon posted:it's gonna be cute when senile president sanders stars signing things "bernie bernie" bernie's gonna be nice and healthy in 2020
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there are *some* exceptions (i have worked with a few very good organizations), but by and large local parties are organizations that spend 3 weeks trying to organize a county fair booth, and then another two weeks of mutual recriminations over no one showing up to man the county fair booth.
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deadgoon posted:it's gonna be cute when senile president sanders stars signing things "bernie bernie" itll be cuter when he loses again
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Concerned Citizen posted:campaigns do not need to be run through state and local parties. they only exist because they are legally required to exist, and they are useful to funnel federal money through in order to fund certain exempt programs like gotv. nice words, shame they dont mean anything. Also your a know nothing yankee fuckass whos head is shoved so far into his rear end you only hear the sound of your own voice reflected off your small intestine and take that for agreement.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i am well aware of the consequences of local elections, that does not mean the route to winning those local elections is through state and local parties. lol
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logikv9 please train CC to the radical centrism thread TIA
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its funny too because he then points out problems with local parties and never considers some nationwide push to fix them.
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Scent of Worf posted:logikv9 please train CC to the radical centrism thread TIA better yet, the DSA thread.
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Scent of Worf posted:bernie's gonna be nice and healthy in 2020 yeah but what about 2034 when he's hafway through his fourth term
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Agean90 posted:nice words, shame they dont mean anything. Also your a know nothing yankee fuckass whos head is shoved so far into his rear end you only hear the sound of your own voice reflected off your small intestine and take that for agreement. man you're an angry drunk
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Matt Zerella posted:better yet, the DSA thread. what has the dsa thread done to deserve that, though?
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im glad we have democratic defeatism personified itt
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Agean90 posted:its funny too because he then points out problems with local parties and never considers some nationwide push to fix them. there is no fixing them. they are broken institutions. if you fund them, they will waste the money. if you train them, they will not listen. local parties are obsolete and no longer necessary, they are basically hang out clubs. basically the surest sign that someone will never knock a door or make a phone call is that they are a member of the local party, especially if they have some sort of title.
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Concerned Citizen posted:there is no fixing them. they are broken institutions. if you fund them, they will waste the money. if you train them, they will not listen. local parties are obsolete and no longer necessary, they are basically hang out clubs. Donkwich posted:im glad we have democratic defeatism personified itt
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monday night and i'm in the suck zone don't believe me just watch
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Concerned Citizen posted:there is no fixing them. they are broken institutions. if you fund them, they will waste the money. if you train them, they will not listen. local parties are obsolete and no longer necessary, they are basically hang out clubs. basically the surest sign that someone will never knock a door or make a phone call is that they are a member of the local party, especially if they have some sort of title. hahahahahahahahahahaa
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I mean I can see where he's coming from because Floridas state party is such a shitshow that it made me almost quit politics
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the FL dems looked at trump winning and put a racist billionaire in charge because the FL dems are that tweet about getting more racist.
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Venom Snake posted:the FL dems looked at trump winning and put a racist billionaire in charge because the FL dems are that tweet about getting more racist. isn't that the guy ellison endorsed
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the reason why CC makes ur tum-tum feel so bad is hes rite
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the reason why ofa was founded is because local parties are so broken that it was considered easier to simply ignore them and create an independent activist organization not beholden to local parties that were often openly hostile to the idea of actually trying to talk to voters. ofa disappeared up its own rear end but the essential truth remains that outside activist organizations are vastly more effective at basically any given task than local parties, which are and always will be, by and large, useless.
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um if u want to talk to voters get a twitter account
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UHD posted:i judge all potential candidates by their twitter game
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Concerned Citizen posted:the reason why ofa was founded is because local parties are so broken that it was considered easier to simply ignore them and create an independent activist organization not beholden to local parties that were often openly hostile to the idea of actually trying to talk to voters. ofa disappeared up its own rear end but the essential truth remains that outside activist organizations are vastly more effective at basically any given task than local parties, which are and always will be, by and large, useless. so what your saying is that on multiple occasions democrat party apparatuses have dissapeared up their own rear end, more are doing so (DCCC!) and at no point has anybody with all those national assets and money every tried to figure out why and prevent it from happening 
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UHD posted:i judge all potential candidates by their twitter game by the standard of twitter snark, jason kander is the 2020 frontrunner
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UHD posted:isn't that the guy ellison endorsed I have no idea I tuned out of FL politics because I was on the verge of running screaming naked into the swamp
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lmao if u read cc's post
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Venom Snake posted:I have no idea I tuned out of FL politics because I was on the verge of running screaming naked into the swamp you should have done it while fl still has swamps
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Venom Snake posted:I have no idea I tuned out of FL politics because I was on the verge of running screaming naked into the swamp florida has a miasma of stupid surrounding it that is unmatched anywhere else in the south east its honestly horrifying.
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This is just sexist Bernie Bros trying to target a progressive female figure to deflect away from their old man god's own bank collusion.
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UHD posted:you should have done it while fl still has swamps there was a period of months during spring this year where it was 0% humidity and while it was fun that the heat wasn't so oppressive it was bad in that everything was on fire and dying. essentially without the swamps/flora holding the state together its literally going to fall apart Agean90 posted:florida has a miasma of stupid surrounding it that is unmatched anywhere else in the south east its honestly horrifying. it sucks because while I have the luxury of just coming up the VA to enjoy a moderately less completely retarded state party there are lots of hard working people essentially trapped in political hellzone
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/890038232154615808 lmao missed this while fufilling my monthly "earnestly interact with bad succ zoners" quota ahahahahhahalkshdfa dakndflkasndv
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Concerned Citizen posted:ah yes the widespread corruption uncovered by the emails, who can forget. like the folder titled 'pay to play' that was actually a gop oppo file, or the random guy who said a mean thing about bernie or the ethical "debate" about the propriety of hillary meeting saudis when they're paying her husband massive speech fees or the emails that detailed the clinton foundation staffers' concerns about bill's grifting for furniture & travel or the massive worksheet that broke out all the poo poo hillary had said in her paid speeches to wall st. that might (rightfully) sink the campaign or the media requests for puff pieces (questions known ahead of time) and the lists of media lapdogs most anxious to comply it might not have all risen to the level of political corruption but it sure rose to the level of political rot.
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Concerned Citizen posted:there is no fixing them. they are broken institutions. if you fund them, they will waste the money. if you train them, they will not listen. local parties are obsolete and no longer necessary, they are basically hang out clubs. basically the surest sign that someone will never knock a door or make a phone call is that they are a member of the local party, especially if they have some sort of title.  You send a guy over to monitor things getting done and sign off on the cheques. It's what some companies have to do for outsourcing to make sure the outsourcer doesn't gently caress them over. If they don't meet the stuff then fund starting a new state branch and remove federal DNC funding from the branch that is full if poo pooBing bong simple 
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Concerned Citizen posted:the reason why ofa was founded is because local parties are so broken that it was considered easier to simply ignore them and create an independent activist organization not beholden to local parties that were often openly hostile to the idea of actually trying to talk to voters. ofa disappeared up its own rear end but the essential truth remains that outside activist organizations are vastly more effective at basically any given task than local parties, which are and always will be, by and large, useless. This is some bitter as gently caress posting for a Tuesday night, CC.
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Venom Snake posted:there was a period of months during spring this year where it was 0% humidity and while it was fun that the heat wasn't so oppressive it was bad in that everything was on fire and dying. essentially without the swamps/flora holding the state together its literally going to fall apart the best part is that florida gets enough migrants that you cant just go lmao the south, thats stupid from every part of the us :911
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