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Kale posted:Then why was everybody so surprised and literally saying it was impossible as of like a couple days ago before Heller flip flopped cause Trump scary apparently. I mean yeah it needed a tie breaker but I don't remember anyone besides me thinking it had a chance of being opened for debate. You're conflating two different things. The earlier conviction that the MTP would fail was when there was a specific thing they were going to proceed to (BCRA or 2015 repeal) and neither had the votes. What changed was they agreed to just open debate anyway even without any loving idea where they planned to end up, and once that plan was announced nobody was sure what would happen. The BCRA has already failed and 2015 Repeal is currently failing now.
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Kale posted:Then why was everybody so surprised and literally saying it was impossible as of like a couple days ago before Heller flip flopped cause Trump scary apparently. I mean yeah it needed a tie breaker but I don't remember anyone besides me thinking it had a chance of being opened for debate.e The motion to proceed was always thought of a toss up. Which is literally ended up being as the votes were 50-50.
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Pollyanna posted:McCain grew a spine I guess. Too little too late. Nah, bill's dead whether or not it was by his hand. If he votes to shunt this poo poo back to committee though then maybe he finally grew... something. Not a spine? Kind of spine-like?
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HappyHippo posted:So has the second dragon been slain? Is there just one more now? The one that supposedly the votes to pass on Tuesday, yes.
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HappyHippo posted:So has the second dragon been slain? Is there just one more now? Hundreds of Amendments, one probably unkillable dragon unless there's a shift.
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Rigel posted:Who is "they"? On the day of the vote, we believed they may have 50. Just about every pundit I'm aware of on either side of the debate. Now I'm hearing differently albeit with more compelling and plausible sounding reasons so I'm just gonna listen to the goons from now on since they clearly know what's up more than the pundits. I've been meaning to cut their rear end out as sources of info for a while cause of the whole newsfotainment thing though.
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Toaster Beef posted:Wait, so we want it to go back to committee? Doesn't that give it another chance at life? The Skinny Repeal is still very much alive. Going back to committee pushes that further down the road.
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Toaster Beef posted:Wait, so we want it to go back to committee? Doesn't that give it another chance at life? The issue isn't going to get better for them, and they need to move on if they want to do other things. Sure, it gives it another shot at life, but it's probably better than them shoving through a skinny "we'll make this fail" repeal.
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Toaster Beef posted:Wait, so we want it to go back to committee? Doesn't that give it another chance at life? Time limit. If it goes back to committee it may never come out again, and possibly not in time to qualify for this fiscal year's budget reconciliation.
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Cabbit posted:Only if they go on tour with a band named "Attack, Japan!" and do nothing but battle of the bands style gigs. I'm in. Where is the kickstarter?
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Jul 26, 2017 21:01
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I don't understand how skinny repeal is an acceptable option to the base when there are public votes also being casted for BCRA and full repeal. How do you go back to your constituents and say you fulfilled your promise by voting no on everything except skinny repeal?
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HappyHippo posted:So has the second dragon been slain? Is there just one more now? I wouldn't celebrate too much, this one was never expected to pass anyway.
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Der Drumpf Youth?
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Oh my god, it's not even a convincing fake
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I'm not sure if it's the consistency of the alignment, but it really looks more like an adult trying to write like a child.
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nachos posted:I don't understand how skinny repeal is an acceptable option to the base when there are public votes also being casted for BCRA and full repeal. How do you go back to your constituents and say you fulfilled your promise by voting no on everything except skinny repeal? Skinny repeal isn't intended to pass the House. It gets them a House/Senate conference, which hammers out one final "repeal and replace" attempt, and that gets voted on. If that third attempt dies it's possible the House just passes skinny repeal but the HFC would probably block that.
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Republican defections on the repeal and wait amendment. Susan Collins Me. Dean Heller Nev. Lisa Murkowski Alaska Lamar Alexander Tenn. Shelley Moore Capito W.Va. John McCain Ariz. Rob Portman Ohio Edit// Just waiting on Bennet to put out his blunt and get to the floor to vote no. Amendment will fail 45-55.
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nachos posted:I don't understand how skinny repeal is an acceptable option to the base when there are public votes also being casted for BCRA and full repeal. How do you go back to your constituents and say you fulfilled your promise by voting no on everything except skinny repeal? Skinny repeal is hilariously bad (for republicans) from my understanding, it isn't a large enough cut to medicaid to fund their big tax cuts, but it is enough to completely gently caress up the individual market and employer plans, which hits their middle class base directly.
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Definitely what a real, not made up nine year old sounds and writes like.
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farraday posted:Republican defections on the repeal and wait amendment. That wasn't expected, was it?
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Not to go all Flat Earther or whatever but this kid has pretty good handwriting for his spelling level.
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Toaster Beef posted:Wait, so we want it to go back to committee? Doesn't that give it another chance at life? it is a complete clusterfuck. they dont even know what the talking points are - some are saying "yeah skinny is fine lets go with it forever" and some are saying "skinny is just a way to get it back to committee and the house will fix it" http://ijr.com/2017/07/931129-senate-republicans-consider-passing-skinny-repeal-say-wouldnt-solve-problems/
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nachos posted:I don't understand how skinny repeal is an acceptable option to the base when there are public votes also being casted for BCRA and full repeal. How do you go back to your constituents and say you fulfilled your promise by voting no on everything except skinny repeal? "We hashed things out to find the best version of repeal and replace, one that everyone could get behind except those obstructionist Democrats" will be the narrative.
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I commend Don Jr. on managing to get up to the level of a 9 year old to write this!
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Pakled posted:Oh my god, it's not even a convincing fake I don't know poo poo about childhood education, but is there a chance that Dylan could be a nine-year-old with a learning disability?
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evilweasel posted:That wasn't expected, was it? Not by me. We'll see what he puts out after the vote. Edit// The Donnelley motion to return it to Committee is effectively to kill attempts to pass it through the Senate at this time as I understand it. It should have all Dem votes, however even Republicans unhappy with the process may not decide to vote to end this because they're cowards/masochists. farraday fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Skinny repeal is hilariously bad (for republicans) from my understanding, it isn't a large enough cut to medicaid to fund their big tax cuts, but it is enough to completely gently caress up the individual market and employer plans, which hits their middle class base directly. And would have their fingerprints all over it because Donnie will crow big about the GOP passing a repeal, right?
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The Glumslinger posted:Skinny repeal is hilariously bad (for republicans) from my understanding, it isn't a large enough cut to medicaid to fund their big tax cuts, but it is enough to completely gently caress up the individual market and employer plans, which hits their middle class base directly. Plus it totally wrecks their "Obamacare is failing" argument. If the skinny repeal becomes law, the resulting premium increases and losses of coverage will be (rightly) blamed on the Republicans. It's as if they know that Obamacare isn't actually failing and it needs an extra push to actually start failing, but by taking that step they're leaving only themselves open for blame.
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Kale posted:Just about every pundit I'm aware of on either side of the debate. Now I'm hearing differently albeit with more compelling and plausible sounding reasons so I'm just gonna listen to the goons from now on since they clearly know what's up more than the pundits. I've been meaning to cut their rear end out as sources of info for a while cause of the whole newsfotainment thing though. Thats understandable. News operates on simple sound bites and binary answers. We can usually spot weasel words and careful phrasing like "I am a no on MTP for the full repeal", which CNN might excitedly yell means victory, but we see that as "well ok, that plan looks dead. I wonder what the turtle will come up with next?"
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evilweasel posted:That wasn't expected, was it? Was about to point out/ask the same.
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Pakled posted:Oh my god, it's not even a convincing fake fsif posted:I don't know poo poo about childhood education, but is there a chance that Dylan could be a nine-year-old with a learning disability?
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