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Nidoking posted:That's Space Quest I, and there's an item that does it in the VGA remake. In the original, there's a cheat code you have to type. Right, sorry. When I was a kid we had the floppies for Kings Quest II and Space Quest I (and III). Brain fart, mixed the numbers. 
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MagusofStars posted:In the shop, do you need to know what to buy? If so, are there 'dummy items' that aren't purchase-able? Or buyable useless trap items? If you look at the shelves, the four items you need to buy are mentioned. No other items are mentioned or can be bought. That said, I believe it's still possible to drink your way into a dead end by wasting your money on booze at the tavern, but that one's less of a "video game screw you" than it is the player willfully being stupid.
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I think the trader in King's Quest 7 has some useless junk, but it's not a problem since he'll happily take them back in exchange for the things you do need. Also I may be misremembering.
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Tiggum posted:I think the trader in King's Quest 7 has some useless junk, but it's not a problem since he'll happily take them back in exchange for the things you do need. Also I may be misremembering. I did a bonus video where I attempted to trade every inventory object you can get to the trader mouse. There are a couple of good responses, but no trades aside from the ones you need to make.
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Sage Grimm posted:Even if said method is tedious and painfully random the first savegame modifier i ever encountered was a program that you ran to give your leisure suit larry character tons of money so you didn't have to deal with the casino
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Aces High posted:as in legit floppies? The things you played Oregon Trail on The only legit floppy set (like the big 5.25" ones) I used with any regularity back then was for installing Wing Commander (and maybe 2). The earliest Sierra games came on what looked like official single 3.5" "hard" floppies though Space Quest III had three. I say looked like because my dad and his friend knew how to get around the BBS's that were basically the Internet of the time and I did get illegal copies of some games backed up onto a standard floppy from him. By the time I played Oregon Trail it was the CD version.
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If we're cruising nostalgia lane, someday I will see an LP of Museum Madness by MECC, starring MECC, and my life will be complete. edit: Or Pepper's Adventures in Time. edit: or a complete video run of Spelling Blizzard and whatever the previous one was called. edit: 100% runs of the entire Learning Company catalogue edit: Lemonade Stand speedrun Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Sage Grimm posted:The only legit floppy set (like the big 5.25" ones) I used with any regularity back then was for installing Wing Commander (and maybe 2). The earliest Sierra games came on what looked like official single 3.5" "hard" floppies though Space Quest III had three. I say looked like because my dad and his friend knew how to get around the BBS's that were basically the Internet of the time and I did get illegal copies of some games backed up onto a standard floppy from him. There may be goons too young to know this reading the thread, so I'd like to point out that both types are "legit" floppies. They're called that because the circular disk inside is flexible, as opposed to a hard disk drive.
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whitehelm posted:There may be goons too young to know this reading the thread, so I'd like to point out that both types are "legit" floppies. They're called that because the circular disk inside is flexible, as opposed to a hard disk drive. Remember kids, the big floppies can hold more data because they're bigger and work with the smaller readers if you fold them up and cram em in! Thanks Strong Bad!
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whitehelm posted:There may be goons too young to know this reading the thread, so I'd like to point out that both types are "legit" floppies. They're called that because the circular disk inside is flexible, as opposed to a hard disk drive. As a kid I once confused the hell out of my dad, because I wanted to know how much the 3.5" floppies cost, and tried to describe them as "hard" to contrast them with the 5.25" ones.
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Sage Grimm posted:The only legit floppy set (like the big 5.25" ones) I used with any regularity back then was for installing Wing Commander (and maybe 2). The earliest Sierra games came on what looked like official single 3.5" "hard" floppies though Space Quest III had three. I say looked like because my dad and his friend knew how to get around the BBS's that were basically the Internet of the time and I did get illegal copies of some games backed up onto a standard floppy from him. as i recall some versions of the earliest sierra games came with both 5.25 and 3.5 floppies in them, or at least with the option to get the bigger ones. i'm fairly sure i had one game that came on 8 or 12 5.25s and that was the last time they bothered doing them on those because it was getting too awkward for the boxes.
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 Hello everyone and welcome back to King's Quest III. We're down on the ground here at the start for a very important reason. Do you see that eagle that's flying by?  >get feather It drops the other half of that flying spell we cast several updates ago. With that tail feather, we can now turn ourselves into an eagle as well. Anyway, that's the only new thing that happened. So join me now 3 minutes in the future...  Alright, so the vast majority of today's update is going to be dealing with casting more spells. We technically only need to cast one before Manannan returns around the 30 minute mark. But as you can see, we have 10 minutes free still. We made remarkably good time down below. >get mandrake root  : Gwydion removes the jar labeled "Mandrake Root Powder" from the laboratory shelf and carries it with him. : The glass jar of mandrake root powder has an earthy, bitter smell to it.Alright, so this is the only spell we absolutely need to have cast before Manannan returns.  This is why Manannan was not happy to find Gwydion in possession of cat fur, and understandably so. >put mandrake root powder in bowl >put cat hair in bowl >put two spoons of fish oil in bowl : Gwydion pours the fish oil into the bowl and keeps the empty jar.There's narrator reactions to each step, but I'm only showing the interesting or pertinent ones. >stir mixture with spoon : Gwydion mixes the ingredients together. THe mixture turns into an oily, disagreeable dough with cat hairs sticking out of it.>put dough on table >pat dough into cookie  >wave wand : Gwydion waves the wand over the cookie, then takes it with him. Finished with his spell, he looks up from the book and at the laboratory once more.Now that we're finished, let's rewind time a bit and try something stupid. By the way, this update is going to bloat our death counter.  >turn to page xxv >eat cat hair : A strange feeling comes over Gwydion. He wonders if he could have made a mistake! : That was a-mew-sing Gwydion.It's like a soothing balm. An infuriating, awful, terrible soothing balm. And now it's time to rewind four updates. >turn to page iv >eat saffron : A strange feeling comes over Gwydion. He wonders if he could have made a mistake! : Oooooooh, Gwydion. What big eyes you have!! >get fish bone : Gwydion removes the jar labeled "Powdered Fish Bone" from the laboratory shelf and carries it with him. : Within the glass jar, you see your white fish bone powder. It emites a faint, fishy smell.Nothing like the smell of a cracker barrel on Friday.  : The only resemblance to a real cookie is its flat, round shape. It is hard, and has cat hair sticking out of it. Definitely non-appetizing.Let's continue on and not dwell on the fact that somewhere Gordon Ramsay is having a conniption. >turn to page ii >eat feather : A strange feeling comes over Gwydion. He wonders if he could have made a mistake! : You're all ears now, Gwydion!Amusing death aside, let's take a look at our recipe card.  You could also use the cat hair to cast this spell, but if you do it becomes impossible to finish the game. This spell is technically completely optional, as it only unlocks bonus dialogue and some optional points super late in the game. >put small feather in bowl >put dog fur in bowl >put snake skin in bowl >add spoonful of powdered fish bone >add dew to bowl mix with hands : Gwydion kneads the ingredients in the clay bowl with his hands. It turns into a stiff, dough-like substance.>separate the mixture into two pieces >put dough in ears : Gwydion VERY gently places the two pieces of dough in his ears and pulls his hair down over them. He prepares to recite the magical incantation. >wave wand : Gwydion waves the magic wand over his dough-filled ears. In an inventory full of asterisk items, the dough filled ears are actually one of the few safe items in the game. Also take note that salt, despite being a food additive likely found in Manannan's pantry, it's marked with an asterisk. : It's difficult to look inside your own ears! But, as best you remember, the pieces of dough have tiny bits of feather, snake scales, and fur sticking out of them.>get nightshade juice : Gwydion removes the jar of "Nightshade Juice" from the laboratory shelf and carries it with him. : The nightshade juice sloshes around inside the glass jar.>turn to page xiv >eat bowl : A strange feeling comes over Gwydion. He wonders if he could have made a mistake! : Night-night, Gwydion. So here's our next spell. We'll use this much later on, but I'm not 100% certain it's necessary. We get points for preparing it though, so why not? >turn to page xiv >grind acorns in mortar >put acorn powder in bowl >put nightshade juice in bowl >stir mixture with spoon >light brazier : Making sure there is fresh charcoal in the brazier, Gwydion lights it with the flint. Soon, the brazier is hot.>heat mixture on brazier : Gwydion gingerly places the bowl of ugly brown liquid on the charcoal brazier. Soon, the hot brazier brings the mixture to a bubble, then a boil, releasing a bitter smelling steam. He lets the mixture boil until the nightshade juice is nearly gone, then he removes it from the brazier.>spread mixture on table : Gwydion pours the bowl's contents onto the oaken table, then spreads the hot sticky mixture over the table top. In a few minutes, it has dried to a very crumbly, coarse sleeping powder. >wave wand >put sleep powder in pouch It's incredibly important you type sleep powder. I don't want to recount how many times I died in my test run because I typed sleeping powder. The copy protection in this game being such a just-so process is why I have so many frustrations with it. : Gwydion unties the small leather pouch, scoops the powder from the table, and places it within. He now has a pouch full of sleep powder. : The leather pouch is securely tied, and filled with the coarse, brown sleep powder you so proudly manufactured. While we've got plenty of time to cast one last spell, for some reason here I decided that 5 minutes was going to cut it kind of close. So instead let's just head back up and hang out for a bit.  But first, allow me to show this death off again...  : OH, OH!! That darn cat really did it to Gwydion this time! Tripping over the cat, he falls to his death. : You look mighty funny falling down those stairs, Gwydion. Anyway, let's cover our tracks. >pull lever >move books : Gwydion moves the big book back where he found it so it again conceals the metal lever. He doesn't want the old wizard growing suspicious of his activities.>unlock cabinet : Gwydion carefully replaces the magic wand exactly as he found it. After closing the door, he carefully relocks it. With our tracks mostly covered, all we have to do is slide our crap under the bed. But you know what? Casting all those spells is hungry-making work. That hair filled cookie is looking awfully tasty... >eat cookie  : Gwydion purrs contentedly, enjoying his new life as a cat!So it looks like our cookie works! That's good news. So we'll just reload and... >drop all >get porridge  So we're just going to wait here for 4 minutes. See you all on the other side!  Oh! Something to show off... >kick cat : Ow! I'll get you for that, Gwydion!>talk to cat : Get lost, Gwydion, you creep!>kill cat : Good idea, but how? As much as he would love to, Gwydion hasn't the heart to do it.Anyway, now for real see you all at the 30 minute mark.  Surprisingly punctual for Manannan.  : I have returned, Gwydion, and am ready to eat. We'll just run in here to make this faster and... >get cookie  : Manannan is impatiently waiting for his food! His stomach rumbles as he drums his gnarled fingers on the table. Gwydion had better feed him quickly, or dire consequences may result.So, when people say this game has a hard time limit, this is the reason why. Manannan has a strict schedule, where he will always assign you a chore at xx:00:00, check in on the chore at xx:03:00, and leave on a journey at xx:05:00. He'll return from his journey at xx:30:00, and will have to be fed by xx:33:00, I want to say. At xx:35:00, he'll take a 25 minute nap, and wake up at the top of the hour. At which point, the entire schedule repeats. There are only four food items in the game. Three of them can be found in the kitchen at the start of the game, and we're carrying the fourth with us now, the porridge. So if you take as much time as possible, you had best know exactly what you're supposed to do after you feed Manannan at 2:30:00. It is possible to stretch the game out to the 4:30:00 mark. But that also leaves you playing for a full hour in a dead man walking scenario. So functionally, the hard time limit for dealing with the wizard is 3:33:00. The first part of the game has two goals, the first is to deal with Manannan. The second is to escape from Llewdor and go literally anywhere else. In the next few updates, we'll cover just what leaving Llewdor entails, but not one iota of it will matter if we don't deal with the wizard first. So...  : I have a cookie for you, my lord.: You've discovered the secrets of 'The Secrets of Old." Never again will you disobey me, Gwydion!!  So let's do it right, instead. >put cookie in porridge : The porridge conceals the crumbled cookie; it still looks as appetizing as ever. : You were careful when you crumbled the cat cookie in the porridge... it looks just like a plain bowl of porridge! >give wizard porridge : Gwydion places the food on the dining table before the hungry wizard. Ravenously, he devours every bit of it. : Gwydion fooled him! Manannan didn't realize the porridge was tainted, and ate the whole bowl!I cut out 10 seconds of the wizard slowly eating in there.  Normally I'd transcribe the message, but this is one of those super important ones. We did it, guys.  NEXT TIME: As master of his own destiny, Gwydion does whatever the gently caress he wants for the first time in his life. List of Points +2 - Tail Feather +1 - Mandrake root essence +10 - The world's most disgusting cookie +1 - Powdered fish bone +10 - WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU +1 - Deadly nightshade +10 - Patented sleep powder +12 - We beat the wizard! Total: 122/210 Register of Deaths That was a-mew-sing Gwydion sees all The better to hear you with, my dear Eternal slumber Amused the cat Meow meow meow meow Pissed off the wizard. Again.
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Can we eat the knife? Or use KNIFE on WIZARD when he is asleep ala Sam Fisher?
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Can we talk with the wizard cat?
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HardDiskD posted:Can we talk with the wizard cat? I'll show off the exact text in the next update, but the response is something like "Manannan is being unusually quiet, don't you think?" EorayMel posted:Can we eat the knife? While I admittedly haven't tried to eat the knife, I'm pretty sure the reaction is gonna be the same as trying to eat sand: : Once you tasted it, you wouldn't want it!
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gegi posted:as i recall some versions of the earliest sierra games came with both 5.25 and 3.5 floppies in them, or at least with the option to get the bigger ones. i'm fairly sure i had one game that came on 8 or 12 5.25s and that was the last time they bothered doing them on those because it was getting too awkward for the boxes. This is indeed true. My (or me and my brother's) copies came exactly like this. And we played them on a Tandy 
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I can handle witches, wizards, and snakes turning into horses, but it is completely unrealistic to describe porridge as "Its aroma wafts up to, and tantalizes, your nose." They do know it is just plain old oatmeal, right?
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Delvio posted:I can handle witches, wizards, and snakes turning into horses, but it is completely unrealistic to describe porridge as "Its aroma wafts up to, and tantalizes, your nose." But it's juuuuuuuust right.
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mauman posted:This is indeed true. My (or me and my brother's) copies came exactly like this. That was standard for quite some time. Including two sets of disks in each package was cheaper than having to deal with the headache of maintaining two separate product versions, and the hassle of customers buying the wrong one. Pretty much all the legit games from my grandmother's Tandy (my family had a C64 until 1993 or so) were like that.
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gegi posted:i'm fairly sure i had one game that came on 8 or 12 5.25s and that was the last time they bothered doing them on those because it was getting too awkward for the boxes. That was the Wing Commander games for us. Installations were basically "Insert disc 1 of XX" and then hoping it would read or hitting [R] repeatedly at the Abort, Retry, Fail dialog. 5.25 floppies weren't the best format for grubby little kids. 
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gegi posted:i'm fairly sure i had one game that came on 8 or 12 5.25s and that was the last time they bothered doing them on those because it was getting too awkward for the boxes. Quest for Glory I / Hero's Quest came on 10 5.25" floppies.
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and I thought the 5 CDs for Baldur's Gate were annoying, clearly I grew up in a better time
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5.25" Single Density diskettes held ~320 kilobytes of storage. Even when they were common, this was not very much.
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Prior to cheap(er) CD-ROM drives games and other enterprise software had already begun to get quite large. I remember some games needing upwards of 15-20 diskettes to install, smaller HDDs also meant you'd be deleting and reinstalling things a lot more often than you do today. God help you when you needed to reformat things. Not to mention all the fun of juggling boot disks. At least when 5.25" floppies were phased out you no longer needed to keep swapping things while in play. It's probably been over a year since I last used the DVD drive on my current rig and I now find hunting for a single disk to be a pain I don't want to deal with. Technology makes us lazy a poo poo.
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EorayMel posted:Can we eat the knife? That results in the message: "Your own death would result from that. He's too powerful for you."
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Erpy posted:That results in the message: "Your own death would result from that. He's too powerful for you." My brother tried PUT PILLOW OVER WIZARD'S FACE back in the day.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Prior to cheap(er) CD-ROM drives games and other enterprise software had already begun to get quite large. I remember some games needing upwards of 15-20 diskettes to install, smaller HDDs also meant you'd be deleting and reinstalling things a lot more often than you do today. God help you when you needed to reformat things. Not to mention all the fun of juggling boot disks. I installed Windows 95 at least once from 26 floppy disks.
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Ding dong the wizard is a cat! Hmm, I'm not sure if defeating Manannan so early was a good idea. Through we'll see if that is right or not soon enough.
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Re: Floppy disk chat... 3,711 floppies It's not real DoubleNegative fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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I'm betting that's accurate to how many floppies you would need to install it from that media, though.
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That just reminds me of this, which is very fitting.
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Zeniel posted:That just reminds me of this, which is very fitting. That image reveals my inner  because it should be XLVIII.
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Bregor posted:That image reveals my inner The ancient Romans were super-inconsistent on this front, there's no established standard. 
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Bregor posted:That image reveals my inner I feel like that just adds to the joke
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grandalt posted:Ding dong the wizard is a cat! Hmm, I'm not sure if defeating Manannan so early was a good idea. Through we'll see if that is right or not soon enough. No we won't.  Or will we?!
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FisheyStix posted:No we won't. You actually do need the wizard otherwise you can't turn him into a cat
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 Welcome back to King's Quest III. Last time, you may remember, Gwydion finally got free from 17 years of oppressive slavery. Manannan is now permanently a cat and it's glorious. >talk to cat : Manannan seems unusually quiet, don't you think!>kick cat : You'd better get on with your quest. Manannan is no longer a bother to anyone. The timer continues, though the main driving force behind it is now gone. Now it mostly serves as a way to gauge how much time has passed. There's one more major "puzzle" coming up that has to deal with the passage of time, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. To be honest, if you fail that puzzle, then you've done something very, very wrong. Anyway, let's get our poo poo and get going. There's two more spells we need to cast, and we still need to pick up an ingredient for one of them. So let's >get all and get going.  Now that we can understand animals, groups of them will infrequently talk out loud. Most of the ones in Llewdor will talk about Gwydion. Sadly, I couldn't get any of the conversations to trigger despite hanging around for a bit. Just as well I guess, the animals will just casually drop story spoilers if you listen to them talk. >talk to chickens : The chickens pay no attention to Gwydion. I love the magic map. Anyway, because we've done all the exploring, welcome to the part of the LP where I just start showing you pertinent screens. If you think back several updates, you may remember me talking about sequence breaking in finding that lever. This is how you're supposed to find it. First, we need to enter the tavern.  The two bandits are hanging out in here.  : Wench! Come o'er here with more ale!They seem like nice folks. Let's introduce ourselves... : Excuse me... : Beat it, kid!: I said excuse me!: The bandits are pointedly ignoring you. Don't press your luck.Alright, so let's try out the first spell we cast. >dip fly in essence  True enough, Gwydion turns into that tiny pixel moving around erratically. : Shortly after turning into a fly, Gwyidon starts overharing bits of the two bandits' conversation.: ...squirmed just like a pig. An' that rope ya rigged inside o' that big oak tree works great!: Now nobody'll 'ere find ar' hideout. Why, I'll be even that wizard... We can even move around while in fly form. So let's go looking for that tree...  : In his insect form, Gwydion fits easily through the hole in the tree. The game doesn't give me a chance to do anything on this screen, else I'd try to turn back from a fly here. No funny deaths here, sadly. Anyway, that's enough of being a fly.  >fly begone myself return  : The impulse to buzz around has vanished. Gwydion feels himself growing bigger, so he heads for what he hopes is a safe place to land. So let's start the next timer counting down. >dip eagle feather in essence I was going to have a nice big gif of the next sequence. But apparently gooncam doesn't like it when you try to encode a 1200 frame gif. So instead, here's some screenshots.   : Gwydion swoops close to the spider web and finds the huge spider guarding the entrance. Taking her in his beak, he vows to get rid of her once and for all!   : Gwydion's magic spell is wearing off! We're on a roll, so let's go see what's in this cave that was being guarded by the spider. This, by the way, starts the next deadline. After we finish our business in this cave, a timer starts ticking down. We will have 30 in game minutes to get our poo poo and get out of Llewdor before the chance to do so is forever lost. So just to be safe, don't remove the spider until you're absolutely ready for another time crunch.  : Gwydion has entered the cave of the Oracle. He is almost afraid to speak. : For a long time, the Oracle is silent. Finally, Gwydion hears a hollow voice that seems to come from far away. : I've been waiting for you a long time, Gwydion. I have sorrowful news for you. Years ago, a terrible three-headed dragon invaded Daventry, and keeps the people in a state of terror. This monster requires, once a year, the sacrifice of a young maiden. : Sadly, your own sister, Princess Rosella, is the chosen one this year. Time is running out for her, your parents, and Daventry. You, Gwydion, are the only one who can save them. But, you must hurry! I have something to give you... a small stone of amber. Use it wisely, my friend.: The Oracle grows silent again, and seems to fall into a deep sleep. Gwydion attempts to thank the Oracle, but she does not respond. : The stone is smooth, round, and an unusual color, somewhat like that of amber.NEXT TIME: We need to save our sister and our home, apparently. God dammit Graham. List of Points +3 - Spied on the bandits +5 - Found the rope we used already +4 - Taking the spider for a swim +3 - Prince Gwydion Total: 137/210 DoubleNegative fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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