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I for one cannot wait for the CSPAN 30 for 30 documentary about this day.
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Pakled posted:Has the world always been thus stupid once upon a time when the president's spokesperson was trying to browbeat the universe into obeying his will he whipped out his dick and demanded other people say it was big, and he was also the president at the time. didn't even have the current one's excuse of incipient dementia. many good things can be said of Lyndon Baines Johnson, but even his closest friends agreed: christ, he was an rear end in a top hat.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:28
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Here's a good article to take a breather and mull over on: what the gently caress kind of death cult have the Republicans in Congress become? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/07/what_republicans_have_done_to_the_senate.html
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Jul 27, 2017 22:29
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fsif posted:This is all total loving chaos. So Ryan will loving pinky swear, they'll say "ok", then when they vote yes the house will just go ahead and vote.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:29
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No sarcasm, healthcare chat is cool and all but it seems like forever since a good 5 pm news drop.
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It seems rather silly that you can craft a bill in the house, then gut it in the senate and replace the blank bill with an completely different amendment, then send it back to the house and have it re-written in conference apparently all at the behest of the HFC there? Logically you would think that Senators would never agree to do something like that.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:29
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evilweasel posted:i think the reason graham is explaining it's poo poo, it's a fraud, etc etc etc to make it as hard as possible for the house to lie and pass it This is a colossal fuckup because the house will just wreck the entire bill and it'll be pinned on Republicans forever. They're all insane. This is the craziest staring contest I've ever seen.
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evilweasel posted:i think the reason graham is explaining it's poo poo, it's a fraud, etc etc etc to make it as hard as possible for the house to lie and pass it
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Your Taint posted:No sarcasm, healthcare chat is cool and all but it seems like forever since a good 5 pm news drop. You wouldn't do it in the middle of all this madness, you want maximum airtime.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:29
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theflyingorc posted:Don't forget that this policy helps young people while screwing over old people, which seems like the worst possible move. I'm beginning to think Republicans might not be very good at doing things!
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Jul 27, 2017 22:30
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evilweasel posted:i think the reason graham is explaining it's poo poo, it's a fraud, etc etc etc to make it as hard as possible for the house to lie and pass it They are still gonna do it.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:30
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Crows Turn Off posted:If he truly felt that way, he could just not vote for it! Yeah I don't see how he doesn't see how very very very very very easily this could be used against him.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:30
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Your Taint posted:No sarcasm, healthcare chat is cool and all but it seems like forever since a good 5 pm news drop. this entire day has been nothing but 5pm news bombs, from the healthcare shitshow to The Mooch's Meltdown
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Jul 27, 2017 22:30
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How pissed is Ryan gonna be about these guys circumventing him?
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A guarantee that it'll go to committee doesn't mean anything without a promise that the house will never vote on skinny repeal. The committee will probably fail, at which point, Ryan shrugs, goes "welp, we tried", and puts what the Senate passed up for a vote in the house.
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Your Taint posted:No sarcasm, healthcare chat is cool and all but it seems like forever since a good 5 pm news drop. The 100% insane mooch interview wasn't enough?
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Jul 27, 2017 22:31
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Eltoasto posted:It seems rather silly that you can craft a bill in the house, then gut it in the senate and replace the blank bill with an completely different amendment, then send it back to the house and have it re-written in conference apparently all at the behest of the HFC there? Logically you would think that Senators would never agree to do something like that. The only logic here really is 52 senators each thinking: "All these bills are actually terrible, but not passing anything is even worse, so I am going to pass something, even if it makes the policy problem I claim to want to fix even worse. I just desperately need to be able to say I voted to repeal Obamacare." Thinking about what's good policy has completely evaporated from the party. It's like a herd of 52 deer caught in headlights that are gonna get run over. Edit: 52 is an exaggeration, there's the 40+ who hail Satan and genuinely do want to destroy the federal government and kill the poor, but to them all the bills that don't do that are the bad ones
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Paradoxish posted:I'm beginning to think Republicans might not be very good at doing things! The only reason any single part of what they're doing is even slightly feasible is brand loyalty. Even the smallest amount of consideration for this move reveals it to not make any sense whatsoever.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:32
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Crows Turn Off posted:If he truly felt that way, he could just not vote for it! they all want this to die, but they don't want their fingerprints on the weapon graham is trying to make ryan refuse to give the guarantee so he can blame ryan, or send it over to the house where they send it to conference and he hopes someone else kills it after conference
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Jul 27, 2017 22:32
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Is this the highest stakes game of hot potato ever, except the potato is 25 million people's well being?
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Jul 27, 2017 22:32
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Would it be actually illegal to mail a person dogshit?
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Jul 27, 2017 22:33
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This new re-imagining of The Deer Hunter is pretty weird.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is this the highest stakes game of hot potato ever, except the potato is 25 million people's well being? It's "only" 16 million now. That's so much better!!!!!!!!
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SulphagneSocialist posted:The only logic here really is 52 senators each thinking: "All these bills are actually terrible, but not passing anything is even worse, so I am going to pass something, even if it makes the policy problem I claim to want to fix even worse. I just desperately need to be able to say I voted to repeal Obamacare." Thinking about what's good policy has completely evaporated from the party. More like a dozen deer. The other 40 people are going "what the gently caress is the problem, guys? We're Republicans, we're evil, remember? More money for us, gently caress you, that sort of thing? Why aren't you voting for the evil bill, it would give us tax cuts!"
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evilweasel posted:they all want this to die, but they don't want their fingerprints on the weapon The Senate Republicans are trying to give the House a loaded gun they can use to force the Senate to swallow AHCA/BCRA.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:33
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this is really the most bizarre poo poo ive ever seen
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Like somewhere a Veep writer is reading the Mooch interview and angrily hitting backspace on a nearly completed script
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Profiles in cowardice here. God you're in this time crunch BECAUSE YOU VOTED TO BE.
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KickerOfMice posted:Would it be actually illegal to mail a person dogshit? http://www.poopsenders.com/ and no.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:34
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Eltoasto posted:It seems rather silly that you can craft a bill in the house, then gut it in the senate and replace the blank bill with an completely different amendment, then send it back to the house and have it re-written in conference apparently all at the behest of the HFC there? Logically you would think that Senators would never agree to do something like that. The thing is, even after conference it still has to pass the House again and the Senate again, both without amendments. So a garbage bill that won't become law and goes to conference is fine for the Senate because they can just vote against it later. The problem is that the bill they pass will become law because Ryan is the scorpion saying "no, seriously, don't take me across I'm going to sting you, it's what I do".
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Calaveron posted:Like somewhere a Veep writer is reading the Mooch interview and angrily hitting backspace on a nearly completed script https://twitter.com/budarydachas/status/890628078724038656
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i am absolutely flabbergasted by how many senators hate this bill, but support it under the belief that it will be "fixed in conference."
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evilweasel posted:this is really the most bizarre poo poo ive ever seen Out here in the civilized world the government puts forward a prepared bill, there's a few months of amending and debate, then there's an up or down vote. This 1700s coffee shop/debate club poo poo is ridiculous and is collapsing on itself
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Jul 27, 2017 22:35
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How much time is left on the clock?
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You gotta hand it to the republicans. Either they don't pass this bill and they get voted out in midterms OR they do pass it and get voted out of midterms while also taking away important healthcare for their constituents for the sake of tax breaks on the wealthy. Like kamizake pilots on the day before VJ-Day.
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John McCain: I Will Not Vote For This Bill. Also John McCain: I'm going to vote for this bill.
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marshmonkey posted:How much time is left on the clock? About 5 hours or debate left.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:36
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How long does anyone think Trump would tolerate Mooch stealing all his headlines and TV attention?
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Was there anywhere near as much chaos as this when Obamacare was passed? I remember it had to go through a whole bunch of convoluted poo poo but I don't recall the House and the Senate basically trying to browbeat each other with press conferences.
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