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The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*

WeAreTheRomans posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/890810835408363520

What I believe McCain whispered in that hallway;

"Well son, the funny thing about regret is,
It's better to regret something you have done,
Than to regret something you haven't done.
And by the way, if you see your mom this weekend,
Be sure and tell her, SATAN, SATAN, SATAN!!!"

Chris Murphy is a solid D senator so I'm very glad he's out there in the world but god is he such an obnoxious self important poo poo.

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evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

awesmoe posted:

Or they're shitposting

Oh certainly some are. But for some it is 100 percent real. Like that one dude that got into a boxing match for his beliefs and showed off his catgirl girlfriend, or that one guy who got thrown out of a protest for trying too hard to do memes.

At this point though who is there left to offend with their posting when they're as insular as they are?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Thanks Mccainma.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Maybe we shouldn't whine that Dems cheered McCain as Hero, or that "let's tone down giving McCain praise!"?

That's the most retarded approach. "Join us but gently caress you if you do" is pants on head retarded. Whenever a GOP member breaks rank and votes with the Democratic side, of course they should be praised, you nerds.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
Maybe it took a hospital stay and a the specter of imminent death to make him reconsider the notion that having healthcare when you need it is really loving important?

I mean, nothing really is quite as powerful a mind-changer as "you have cancer and you're going to die".

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Guys. John McCain basically killed Trumpcare. This is a real thing that actually happened. Holy poo poo.

He didn't just kill it

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
And this is surely lost in the more imminent storm that was going on, but still good news.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.4e18c5175c81

quote:

The Trump administration struggled Thursday to explain the details of a ban on transgender service members announced a day earlier by the president, amid criticism from Republicans that the policy change went too far.

The military’s highest-ranking officer said in a letter to senior leaders Thursday that there would be “no modifications” to the current policy on transgender troops until further direction was received from the president.

“In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect,” said Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The lack of clear direction from officials left the status of thousands of active transgender service members in limbo, one day after President Trump’s sudden announcement on Twitter. Dunford’s message to his troops suggested that those in leadership roles were caught off guard, despite Trump’s insistence that he was implementing the ban at the behest of the military.


Even GOP reps are calling it out, hah.

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck
has trump awoken to fire everybody he has the power to in a fit of rage yet

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

awesmoe posted:

Or they're shitposting

Shitposting *is* a mental illness.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

enraged_camel posted:

T_D is a fascinating window through which one can glimpse into minds of people with severe, undiagnosed mental issues.
They are evil, not crazy.

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat

JesusSinfulHands posted:

Things in favor of a Democratic wave:
- "over the past 21 midterm elections, the President's party has lost an average 30 seats in the House, and an average 4 seats in the Senate; moreover, in only two of those has the President's party gained seats in both houses."
- https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

Things not in favor of a Democratic wave:
- 2014 midterm election turnout lowest in 70 years (this is a great debate right now - is it just that young people don't vote in midterms, or was it because of complacency? If it's the former Democrats are gonna be screwed in 2018 regardless, if it was the latter well you'd think this administration would get more Democrats loving voting)
- Increased political polarization means you can't extrapolate previous election results where the incumbent president's party lost on average last 30 seats to 2018

Another thing in favor of a Democratic wave:
-Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is no longer the chair of the DNC, unlike in 2014.

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes
I mean McCain voted yes on BCRA 2 days ago which is objectively far yes than the skinny repeal. If any of what he said here was legitimate he would have voted no on BCRA too unless he truly believed that BCRA 'offered a replacement to reform our health care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens."

quote:

"“From the beginning, I have believed that Obamacare should be repealed and replaced with a solution that increases competition, lowers costs, and improves care for the American people. The so-called ‘skinny repeal’ amendment the Senate voted on today would not accomplish those goals. While the amendment would have repealed some of Obamacare’s most burdensome regulations, it offered no replacement to actually reform our health care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens. The Speaker's statement that the House would be ‘willing’ to go to conference does not ease my concern that this shell of a bill could be taken up and passed at any time."

“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict-party line basis without a single Republican vote. We should not make the mistakes of the past that has led to Obamacare’s collapse, including in my home state of Arizona where premiums are skyrocketing and health care providers are fleeing the marketplace. We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people. We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=A952CCCA-66D2-4570-9D57-514561BF3D4D

If you look at the history of McCain's positions, he's flip-flopped on everything from immigration, climate change, to tax cuts, so incoherent domestic policy from him is nothing new. The only thing he really cares about is being an aggressive neocon. I think the simplest explanation is just that he was grandstanding and wanted to be the maverick who cast the deciding vote against the repeal, not that he truly had a change of heart about healthcare or even cares about the issue at all.

Whatever. Thanks for this vote, McCain.

Sneaks McDevious
Jul 29, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Wrap it up Trumpailures

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I don't think Senator McCain will turn into some good hearted socialist senator, but we have to take the victories when we can, and now more than ever, his change of heart should be celebrated, even if to perhaps encourage a similar act in the future.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


If Ryan had taken leadership and not made slimy non-statements on the phone and to the public, he might have gotten a bill from McCain. Sad!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Nice piece of fish posted:

Maybe it took a hospital stay and a the specter of imminent death to make him reconsider the notion that having healthcare when you need it is really loving important?

I mean, nothing really is quite as powerful a mind-changer as "you have cancer and you're going to die".

Naaaah he still voted for the BCRA the day before so he's totally fine with mass murdering the poor if he had the opportunity.

He just wouldn't tolerate passing an intentionally stupid law and then saying "it's Paul Ryan's fault if this happens".

Still keeping that under his hat, letting the Republicans make asses of themselves on TV saying they'll pass the law but they don't want it to really be a law, letting them think his speech about proper procedure was just his usual insincere blather, then bam humiliating those morons on national TV was pretty loving awesome.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







McCain loving did it!?!?

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes
McCain's cancer triggered latent psychich abilities.
Who even knows what level of chess he's on at this moment.

TyrantWD
Nov 6, 2010
Ignore my doomerism, I don't think better things are possible
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/890876178063650816

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







open the pissgates

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/890864973974573056

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Forgall posted:

They are evil, not crazy.

They're both. Insanity can explain evil, it just doesn't excuse it.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
What did I just wake up to?!?!?

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
So can the Republicans just keep calling this vote over and over or are we safe for a while? Or what?

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008
I wonder a bit if McCain did it not to spite Trump, not as a last moment of empathy, but as the biggest gently caress you to the Republican Party for basically calling him up after his diagnosis and, instead of just wishing him well and asking about how he was coping, pressured him to return to the job because they needed something from him. His speech about returning to the old ways just gives me this feeling that he wanted to punish them for being so lovely to him personally.

McCain was so frequently concerned about them. Maybe their lack of concern was just too troubling.

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

I don't have a ton of history to go on, but that wouldn't surprise me. I think one thing I hope we come back from (and from watching some cspan yesterday I think a lot of senators actually get) is how much the Trump admin has forced government into giving up any semblance of dignity.

Now you could argue how the other actos should just not be shitheads, but it is like 90% Trump chaos

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me
Man, this has been a loving wild night. Canada sends it's regards, keep up the good fight!

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Woke up this morning... pulled up WashingtonPost.com and...

evilweasel posted:

holy poo poo

mccain did it

holy poo poo


Now can we get Covak probed? A month per GOP no vote seems fair IMO.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Shifty Pony posted:

Now can we get Covak probed? A month per GOP no vote seems fair IMO.

Does he bug you that much? He strikes me as someone who honestly has anxiety issues, not someone shitstirring for his own gratification.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Gort posted:

Does he bug you that much? He strikes me as someone who honestly has anxiety issues, not someone shitstirring for his own gratification.

covok switched seemlessly between All Is Lost and the This Is Fine dog, plus a couple of other personalities. all of them are loving annoying.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Wow, this was news that I did not expect to wake up to. Congratulations on a narrow escape everyone

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


HPanda posted:

I wonder a bit if McCain did it not to spite Trump, not as a last moment of empathy, but as the biggest gently caress you to the Republican Party for basically calling him up after his diagnosis and, instead of just wishing him well and asking about how he was coping, pressured him to return to the job because they needed something from him. His speech about returning to the old ways just gives me this feeling that he wanted to punish them for being so lovely to him personally.

McCain was so frequently concerned about them. Maybe their lack of concern was just too troubling.

Difficult to figure out what McCain was doing since he voted for the worse options. I think finally he looked at the Republican strategy for this bill and went "lol no."

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







lol i just realized heller voted yes for no reason

Shitshow
Jul 25, 2007

We still have not found a machine that can measure the intensity of love. We would all buy it.
This is some crazy (good) news to wake up to.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Gort posted:

Does he bug you that much? He strikes me as someone who honestly has anxiety issues, not someone shitstirring for his own gratification.

If you get anxiety over politics exposure to this forum ought to be limited for your own good.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Gort posted:

So can the Republicans just keep calling this vote over and over or are we safe for a while? Or what?
Yea, as a UK-er who's been mostly avoiding US politics of late: How dead is ACA repeal now? I remember the first attempt failing to pass the house a while back, then this version came along and nearly got there... will we see yet another attempt in a few months' time?

Kylra
Dec 1, 2006

Not a cute boy, just a boring girl.
Considering the stakes of something like this, I don't know if looking away is necessarily an option for at least some of the people here.

Better to face anxiety and know what's coming than possibly be blindsided and dead if there's something you could otherwise do about it.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

TACD posted:

Yea, as a UK-er who's been mostly avoiding US politics of late: How dead is ACA repeal now? I remember the first attempt failing to pass the house a while back, then this version came along and nearly got there... will we see yet another attempt in a few months' time?

My understanding is that the bill is not completely dead, but instead sent back to committee for a reworking. Given how brutally unpopular it is, they basically sent it into amendment hell and no one will want to even touch it now. It's effectively dead in this form.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
didn't mcconnell say in his little bitchy speach last night that it was time to move on

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck
okay its 7:06 AM his time has trump awoken YET to fire everybody he has the legel power to in the most hilarious display of "actually im not mad" ever

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BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Vahakyla posted:

Maybe we shouldn't whine that Dems cheered McCain as Hero, or that "let's tone down giving McCain praise!"?

That's the most retarded approach. "Join us but gently caress you if you do" is pants on head retarded. Whenever a GOP member breaks rank and votes with the Democratic side, of course they should be praised, you nerds.

He should have broken ranks two days ago and not voted for the MTP on a bill he thought was utter poo poo.

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